News Amid tensions with police forces, shots fired at cops in L.A., Florida

[brassmonkey]

lock and load

As police departments around the country remain on heightened alert in the wake of the killing of two NYPD officers, a pair of shootings in California and Florida on Sunday have local law enforcement officials in those states on edge.

In Los Angeles, police are searching for a gunman who they say opened fire on an LAPD patrol car carrying two officers as it was driving in South Central L.A. at approximately 9:30 p.m. Sunday night.

The officers, who were uninjured, returned fire, but no one was hit. One suspect was arrested and a rifle was recovered, LAPD Capt. Lillian Carranza told CNN, but a second suspect remains at large. The department declared a citywide tactical alert, sending every available officer to the area, Carranza said. About 100 officers were involved in the subsequent manhunt.

In Pasco County, Fla., three shots were fired at two sheriff's deputies as they were sitting inside their squad cars at 3:30 a.m. Sunday in Dade City, where they were conducting traffic enforcement of a nearby intersection.

"Both deputies reported hearing the whizzing sound of each projectile as they flew by," the sheriff's office said. "Deputies did not see the suspect or the vehicle from which the shots were fired."

The shootings came a day after an estimated 23,000 police officers attended the funeral for Rafael Ramos ? one of two NYPD officers killed in Brooklyn on Dec. 20 by a gunman who allegedly vowed to retaliate for the chokehold death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, by a white NYPD officer. As Mayor Bill de Blasio addressed the crowd, hundreds of officers turned their backs on a video screen showing the mayor's eulogy.

On Sunday, New York City Police Commissioner William Bratton said the rift between the NYPD and de Blasio ? laid bare in the wake of Garner's death and the subsequent slayings of two officers ? will continue for the foreseeable future.

"I think it's probably a rift that is going to go on for a while longer," Bratton said on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.

Bratton refused to address comments made by Patrick Lynch, head of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, who said the killings of the officers left "blood on the hands" of the mayor. A separate memo purportedly circulated by the association said the mayor's actions have caused the NYPD to "become a 'wartime' police department."

"They really do feel under attack, rank-and-file officers and much of American police leadership," Bratton said. "They feel that they are under attack from the federal government at the highest levels. So, that's something we need to understand also, this sense of perception that becomes a reality."

Amid tensions with police forces, shots fired at cops in L.A., Florida - Yahoo News

[baddog]

I think the only reasonable course of action is to start popping caps at any male of color

[dyna mo]

since the police cannot/will not police themselves, they are getting policed. i predict this to trend up, in fact, assault rifle killers and such will turn their sites on cops instead of kids going forward.

the attackers are getting attacked. shocker.

[crockett]

I'm surprised it never got any national coverage, but cops shot a black guy here in FLORIDA last week. He was planning sucide by cop and it worked out well for him.

[mineistaken]

another police news thread from mr. monkey

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think the only reasonable course of action is to start popping caps at any male of color

man you really trip me out!!! there are people of color in the department!!!! oh man foot in the mouth!

[Barry-xlovecam]

If you declare open war on the police that will just put a very heavily armed corps on a hair-trigger.

You will only start a war you will lose

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

another police news thread from mr. monkey

mineistaken if you have a problem keep fuking scrolling

[dyna mo]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If you declare open war on the police that will just put a very heavily armed corps on a hair-trigger.

You will only start a war you will lose

nah police are not military trained. this is a time when militias are going to be formed real military training. some street gangs are already military trained

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

mineistaken if you have a problem keep fuking scrolling

It is not a problem, just a notion.

[WDF]

With hiring practices being what they are many current patrol officers in large police forces are either reservist or veterans. Do not be fooled into believing they have no military training.

[dyna mo]

the real problem is how long it takes to sort out problems with police departments. the albequerque police issue is estimated to take the doj 12 years to implement changes.

the doj took control of LAPD over a decade ago and ordered changes, those changes are just now starting to show results.

the population won't wait 12 fucking years for the police to get policed.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Is an ugly future you are painting ...

The right wing will just call for increased ''emergency'' funding.

All civilians, regardless of color, will be feared by the police who will adopt a shoot first, ask questions later attitude. You think it will be a better place to live with 10 dead police a day and 200 civilians shot dead by police?

This country will end up like Iraq.

[dyna mo]

I don't think USA will be a better place to live with 10 dead cops and 200 civilians shot dead by police per day, no.

I'm not advocating what I think things are coming to.

but we have a cop problem in America and the simple fact is cops are not doing anything about that.

[Barry-xlovecam]

No doubt there is a serious problem -- by randomly killing police the problem will only be made worse was my point

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by baddog

I think the only reasonable course of action is to start popping caps at any male of color

You'd have a point if the cops had popped caps at every white male after Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and wounded 680 more.

But since they didn't you're just a sad old man.



Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dyna mo]

I agree with you again, it's going to get worse before it gets better. but the difference b/w USA and iraq is we are a civilized nation, I'd like to think/hope that civility would supercede USA turning into an iraq.

it's a fixable problem, wouldn't you agree? We don;t need to sink into a 3rd world country over a cop problem, but the cops are the ones that will fix a cop problem, not vigilante citizens, not the doj.

[Robbie]

There is only so much that people will stand for.

The police force needs to get itself in order. First step would be for city, county, and state govt.'s to put an end to the "shoot to kill" standard operating procedure these cops are being trained to do.

Is deadly force required sometimes? Yeah. Every time they pull their weapon? Hell no.

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by WDF

With hiring practices being what they are many current patrol officers in large police forces are either reservist or veterans. Do not be fooled into believing they have no military training.

Why not tell us how dangerous teachers are, because many of them are Veterans?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You'd have a point if the cops had popped caps at every white male after Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and wounded 680 more.

But since they didn't you're just a sad old man.



Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Robbie

There is only so much that people will stand for.

The police force needs to get itself in order. First step would be for city, county, and state govt.'s to put an end to the "shoot to kill" standard operating procedure these cops are being trained to do.

Is deadly force required sometimes? Yeah. Every time they pull their weapon? Hell no.

too late

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I agree with you again, it's going to get worse before it gets better. but the difference b/w USA and iraq is we are a civilized nation, I'd like to think/hope that civility would supercede USA turning into an iraq.

it's a fixable problem, wouldn't you agree? We don;t need to sink into a 3rd world country over a cop problem, but the cops are the ones that will fix a cop problem, not vigilante citizens, not the doj.

It's really been a long standing issue -- just publicized better today. All the "Prison Planet" type hype is just either stirring a boiling pot or "preparing" for the "certain" future depending on how you look at it.

I read something interesting the other day -- 1 in 5 -- 20% of the population is qualifying for Medicaid now. This problem is poverty related. You don't see police shootings in wealthier communities -- the 'burbs. I would like to see some realistic stats on the police shootings in the 'burbs, the 'hood and the barrio ... Wouldn't be hard to guess where the problem is -- where there is more poverty.

Real opportunity and not handouts is the answer -- good luck finding that ...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It's really been a long standing issue -- just publicized better today. All the "Prison Planet" type hype is just either stirring a boiling pot or "preparing" for the "certain" future depending on how you look at it.

I read something interesting the other day -- 1 in 5 -- 20% of the population is qualifying for Medicaid now. This problem is poverty related. You don't see police shootings in wealthier communities -- the 'burbs. I would like to see some realistic stats on the police shootings in the 'burbs, the 'hood and the barrio ... Wouldn't be hard to guess where the problem is -- where there is more poverty.

Real opportunity and not handouts is the answer -- good luck finding that ...

I think it's a slippery slope to look for answers to police problems outside of the police. Just like many blacks and white apologists are making the cop problem out to be a race problem, it's not a race problem, it's a cop problem.

As Robbie pointed out, cops are trained this way, so one of the ways to fix the cop problem is to fix the training problem. accountability is the other part of the problem, make cops accountable for their actions- require body cameras and require them to be on and functioning at all times. Also, require cops to be held personally accountable for wrong-doing.

Finally, the judicial system needs adjusting. as it stands, it favors cops shooting and killing people and makes that OK, change that. It's not OK. Put cops on trial and prosecute in a fair system.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

It's really been a long standing issue -- just publicized better today. All the "Prison Planet" type hype is just either stirring a boiling pot or "preparing" for the "certain" future depending on how you look at it.

I read something interesting the other day -- 1 in 5 -- 20% of the population is qualifying for Medicaid now. This problem is poverty related. You don't see police shootings in wealthier communities -- the 'burbs. I would like to see some realistic stats on the police shootings in the 'burbs, the 'hood and the barrio ... Wouldn't be hard to guess where the problem is -- where there is more poverty.

Real opportunity and not handouts is the answer -- good luck finding that ...

people want servants the cheap kind! you supply section 8, medical they work the low wage jobs! make it hard to move around without a car hoods can be a death trap drking to catch a bus a 5am in the dark

[Barry-xlovecam]

Policing the police better?

Make police scared that they will end up in prison if they shoot may not be that good of an idea either ...

That is just a politically expedient fix IMHO -- and probably the logical outcome. The root problems will remain.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I think it's a slippery slope to look for answers to police problems outside of the police. Just like many blacks and white apologists are making the cop problem out to be a race problem, it's not a race problem, it's a cop problem.

As Robbie pointed out, cops are trained this way, so one of the ways to fix the cop problem is to fix the training problem. accountability is the other part of the problem, make cops accountable for their actions- require body cameras and require them to be on and functioning at all times. Also, require cops to be held personally accountable for wrong-doing.

Finally, the judicial system needs adjusting. as it stands, it favors cops shooting and killing people and makes that OK, change that. It's not OK. Put cops on trial and prosecute in a fair system.

its your opinion you should have seen the report white phoenix police in the locker room telling N word and mexican jokes funny thing is there were cops in there that were not white!!!

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

nah police are not military trained. this is a time when militias are going to be formed real military training. some street gangs are already military trained

Some bikers maybe, but they aren't the ones shooting at cops are they?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I think it's a slippery slope to look for answers to police problems outside of the police. Just like many blacks and white apologists are making the cop problem out to be a race problem, it's not a race problem, it's a cop problem.

As Robbie pointed out, cops are trained this way, so one of the ways to fix the cop problem is to fix the training problem. accountability is the other part of the problem, make cops accountable for their actions- require body cameras and require them to be on and functioning at all times. Also, require cops to be held personally accountable for wrong-doing.

Finally, the judicial system needs adjusting. as it stands, it favors cops shooting and killing people and makes that OK, change that. It's not OK. Put cops on trial and prosecute in a fair system.

Witness 40 says you are dreaming that it's not a race problem.

'Witness 40' for Ferguson grand jury is racist liar: report - NY Daily News

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its your opinion you should have seen the report white phoenix police in the locker room telling N word and mexican jokes funny thing is there were cops in there that were not white!!!

no, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. the problem is people like you are going to get in the way of fixing the cop problem because you are distorting the issue and the solution by making this strictly about race. You are getting in the way of a solution here, with your bias.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Witness 40 says you are dreaming that it's not a race problem.

'Witness 40' for Ferguson grand jury is racist liar: report - NY Daily News

this isn't an opportunity for reparations here, get out of the way of a solution.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Some bikers maybe, but they aren't the ones shooting at cops are they?

in iraq they were tagging up gang shit bloods and crips!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its your opinion you should have seen the report white phoenix police in the locker room telling N word and mexican jokes funny thing is there were cops in there that were not white!!!

instead of making this about me, why not rebuff any and or all of the solutions I've suggested? You certainly cannot be serious that your overall solution to the cop problem in America is to solve the race problem in America right.

so here are my thoughts and suggestions on solving the cop problem in America, pick them apart, in particular, explain how these solutions would NOT also solve any race issues as a tangential effect.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I think it's a slippery slope to look for answers to police problems outside of the police. Just like many blacks and white apologists are making the cop problem out to be a race problem, it's not a race problem, it's a cop problem.

As Robbie pointed out, cops are trained this way, so one of the ways to fix the cop problem is to fix the training problem. accountability is the other part of the problem, make cops accountable for their actions- require body cameras and require them to be on and functioning at all times. Also, require cops to be held personally accountable for wrong-doing.

Finally, the judicial system needs adjusting. as it stands, it favors cops shooting and killing people and makes that OK, change that. It's not OK. Put cops on trial and prosecute in a fair system.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I agree with you again, it's going to get worse before it gets better. but the difference b/w USA and iraq is we are a civilized nation, I'd like to think/hope that civility would supercede USA turning into an iraq.

it's a fixable problem, wouldn't you agree? We don;t need to sink into a 3rd world country over a cop problem, but the cops are the ones that will fix a cop problem, not vigilante citizens, not the doj.

I'm very much against the abuse by cops that is often caught on film or reported, however I've only once in my life delt with a cop whom over stepped his boundaries. By over stepping his boundaries, I mean he wanted to search my car after a routine traffic stop and had zero probable cause.

I've never been arrested and have no drug charges, and as such he had zero reason to suspect me for anything but just wanted to be a dick.

The thing is, when a cop stops you and they run your ID it's your criminal history which likely dictates how he will interact with you. For myself they see I don't have a criminal history and tend to treat me well. On the other hand if I had a criminal history, I'd suspect any dealings might be more interesting.

Long story short, cops aren't dumb and they get tired of dealing with dickheads just like anyone does. If you as a person give them reason to be a bigger dick they will likely take that opportunity.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

I'm very much against the abuse by cops that is often caught on film or reported, however I've only once in my life delt with a cop whom over stepped his boundaries. By over stepping his boundaries, I mean he wanted to search my car after a routine traffic stop and had zero probable cause.

I've never been arrested and have no drug charges, and as such he had zero reason to suspect me for anything but just wanted to be a dick.

The thing is, when a cop stops you and they run your ID it's your criminal history which likely dictates how he will interact with you. For myself they see I don't have a criminal history and tend to treat me well. On the other hand if I had a criminal history, I'd suspect any dealings might be more interesting.

Long story short, cops aren't dumb and they get tired of dealing with dickheads just like anyone does. If you as a person give them reason to be a bigger dick they will likely take that opportunity.

I was reading a while back a statistic along the lines of 85% of ALL cops have witnessed fellow officers engaging in illegal/violent shit. that's a systemic problem. I'll have to try and dig it up. But yeah, my experiences with cops has been fine also. Although a recent interaction with the local sheriff made me surprised at his lack of knowing landmarks and locals. Maybe he was being aloof but it doesn't seem like there was a reason for him to be.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There is only so much that people will stand for.

The police force needs to get itself in order. First step would be for city, county, and state govt.'s to put an end to the "shoot to kill" standard operating procedure these cops are being trained to do.

Is deadly force required sometimes? Yeah. Every time they pull their weapon? Hell no.

What do you mean put an end to it?

The ONLY reason the weapon should come out of a holster is if you plan to kill someone.

Are you advocating that they should be taught to shoot someone in lets say the Leg?


No where things need to start is 1. Getting better people into the position. 2. EDUCATION!!! that can not be screamed enough. This High school diploma shit is not enough. 3. Training. More training and then More training.

Out of all the shootings that have happened that I have read about, I think I have only read about 4. NONE of them should have happened and could have been dealt with in a much better fashion.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

this isn't an opportunity for reparations here, get out of the way of a solution.

I know where that response came from so if you dig just a little further in your ass you'll find your head.

[L-Pink]

Keep in mind who cops have to deal with, in Florida for instance, 35% of adult blacks in Florida have a felony conviction, 14% of the total adult population in Florida have a felony conviction. The percentage is higher if you just use black males.

So when a cop confronts a black male there is a huge chance he's dealing with a criminal. Fact, not racist but fact. Any cop has his situational awareness alarm going off based on cold hard facts. As Crockett noted above his mindset changes.

Adding to this, some states like Florida have a 3 strikes law. So now the cop has to wonder if this confrontation might send the suspect to prison forever. Unless of course he fights and gets away.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop in todays society when you are dealing with 911 calls and expected to behave like a social worker.

In my opinion cops are just a reflection of who they have to "police" ..... We are getting what we deserve in most cases.


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I know where that response came from so if you dig just a little further in your ass you'll find your head.

again, you avoid the opportunity to have real dialogue about the problem when you make this about me and not about the actual solutions I've proposed.


thanks for proofing my comment that you need to get out of the way of a solution.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, you avoid the opportunity to have real dialogue about the problem when you make this about me and not about the actual solutions I've proposed.


thanks for proofing my comment that you need to get out of the way of a solution.

Well I think the solutions are :

1. Stop racial profiling
2. Stop "stop and frisk"
3. Stop military style tactics and raids
4. Stop the silly "War on drugs" by simply prioritizing other crimes.
5. Stop acting like this shit is not about race with all the racist shit on this board to prove otherwise.


But don't expect me to care about your "reparations" ignorance enough to make a response other than what you got.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Keep in mind who cops have to deal with, in Florida for instance, 35% of adult blacks in Florida have a felony conviction, 14% of the total adult population in Florida have a felony conviction. The percentage is higher if you just use black males.

So when a cop confronts a black male there is a huge chance he's dealing with a criminal. Fact, not racist but fact. Any cop has his situational awareness alarm going off based on cold hard facts. As Crockett noted above his mindset changes.

Adding to this, some states like Florida have a 3 strikes law. So now the cop has to wonder if this confrontation might send the suspect to prison forever. Unless of course he fights and gets away.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop in todays society when you are dealing with 911 calls and expected to behave like a social worker.

In my opinion cops are just a reflection of who they have to "police" ..... We are getting what we deserve in most cases.


.

Seriously, do you actually think you have an opinion that has any possibility of being worth a shit when 90% of your post on gfy are some immature hillbilly jab at black people?

[Dead]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Keep in mind who cops have to deal with, in Florida for instance, 35% of adult blacks in Florida have a felony conviction, 14% of the total adult population in Florida have a felony conviction. The percentage is higher if you just use black males.

So when a cop confronts a black male there is a huge chance he's dealing with a criminal. Fact, not racist but fact. Any cop has his situational awareness alarm going off based on cold hard facts. As Crockett noted above his mindset changes.

Adding to this, some states like Florida have a 3 strikes law. So now the cop has to wonder if this confrontation might send the suspect to prison forever. Unless of course he fights and gets away.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop in todays society when you are dealing with 911 calls and expected to behave like a social worker.

In my opinion cops are just a reflection of who they have to "police" ..... We are getting what we deserve in most cases.


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I was going to come up in here and hate on them,.......Truth is,...their job is fucked from the word go.

Lets not allow them to become a group of scared people with guns. Instead, let the people help them to secure our own. Takes a little weight off their shoulders, and the people feel better about their landscape.

Great post!!!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I think the solutions are :

1. Stop racial profiling
2. Stop "stop and frisk"
3. Stop military style tactics and raids
4. Stop the silly "War on drugs" by simply prioritizing other crimes.
5. Stop acting like this shit is not about race with all the racist shit on this board to prove otherwise.


But don't expect me to care about your "reparations" ignorance enough to make a response other than what you got.

Telling people to stop racial profiling is stupid. The simple fact is it's not just the color of someone's skin that leads to them being profiled. When you look like a hoodlim you will attract negative attention. Just lik if some white guy is walking around with a skinned head and nazi tattos.. Cops will treat him just like some black guy that walks around with his pants hanging down his ass and acting like a ghetto thug.

Dress and act like a normal fucking person and amazingly you with not be "racially" profiled.. When you walk around looking like a ghetto wanna be thug, you make yourself an easy mark..

[Dead]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Seriously, do you actually think you have an opinion that has any possibility of being worth a shit when 90% of your post on gfy are some immature hillbilly jab at black people?

Do you see what is happening? Everywhere,....Fix this shit. Or if you can't lead the army, then get back in line.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I think the solutions are :

1. Stop racial profiling
2. Stop "stop and frisk"
3. Stop military style tactics and raids
4. Stop the silly "War on drugs" by simply prioritizing other crimes.
5. Stop acting like this shit is not about race with all the racist shit on this board to prove otherwise.


But don't expect me to care about your "reparations" ignorance enough to make a response other than what you got.

now see, there ya go, contributing. none of these would be left out of the solutions I came up with either so it seems we are in fact on the same page.

[blackmonsters]

We get what we deserve because we smoke that reefer and single cigarettes with our seat belts off.

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[escorpio]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You'd have a point if the cops had popped caps at every white male after Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people and wounded 680 more.

But since they didn't you're just a sad old man.



Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did white males take to the streets in support of their "brother" Tim McVeigh? Fuck no. White people do not support criminals just because they are the same race. That's a black thing.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

Telling people to stop racial profiling is stupid. The simple fact is it's not just the color of someone's skin that leads to them being profiled. When you look like a hoodlim you will attract negative attention. Just lik if some white guy is walking around with a skinned head and nazi tattos.. Cops will treat him just like some black guy that walks around with his pants hanging down his ass and acting like a ghetto thug.

Dress and act like a normal fucking person and amazingly you with not be "racially" profiled..

But who defines people with pants sagging as a hoodlum thug besides racist shit heads?



"dress like a normal person"....according to the white man.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

We get what we deserve because we smoke that reefer and single cigarettes with our seat belts off.

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Depends???? What state?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Keep in mind who cops have to deal with, in Florida for instance, 35% of adult blacks in Florida have a felony conviction, 14% of the total adult population in Florida have a felony conviction. The percentage is higher if you just use black males.

So when a cop confronts a black male there is a huge chance he's dealing with a criminal. Fact, not racist but fact. Any cop has his situational awareness alarm going off based on cold hard facts. As Crockett noted above his mindset changes.

Adding to this, some states like Florida have a 3 strikes law. So now the cop has to wonder if this confrontation might send the suspect to prison forever. Unless of course he fights and gets away.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop in todays society when you are dealing with 911 calls and expected to behave like a social worker.

Facts are facts, unfortunately people like brassmonkey or blackmonsters can not grasp that, they choose to blame white instead.

Or deflect the argument, like this ad hominem example:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Seriously, do you actually think you have an opinion that has any possibility of being worth a shit when 90% of your post on gfy are some immature hillbilly jab at black people?

You will never educate morons

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Did white males take to the streets in support of their "brother" Tim McVeigh? Fuck no. White people do not support criminals just because they are the same race. That's a black thing.

And to clarify - that's racist thing. Which is one of the examples proving that blacks on average are more racists then whites.
Fact which is forbidden to be spoken of by guilter and anti white media.