The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act

[mikesouth]

If you are in the adult industry and shooting in california you need to read The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act

The text is here

The Entire Text of The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act « MikeSouth.Com

Im sure many of you will reply tl;dr...fine yer a fucking idiot. This is a serious law and as it stands it will pass. we have some time to prep for it...best not fuck it up.

Potential Effects and loopholes are here

How The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act Impacts YOU! « MikeSouth.Com

I would encourage you very strongly to read both. if you dont shoot in the USA ignore it...

[MaDalton]

i'll still read it - i like to be informed

[Barry-xlovecam]

Why don't they announce a war against 'chlamydia' something that would benefit Thousands instead of spending time and money on lame puritanical bullshit? </rant>

As this has no immediate effect on our operations -- I won't waste my time reading it.

Vote with your feet and take your money with you ...

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'll still read it - i like to be informed

Thats because disagreements aside yer smart...you know for someone who shoots high quality content outside the USA like yourself this could be a golden opportunity

[thabootypro]

I'm going to read it now

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

If you are in the adult industry and shooting in california you need to read The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act

The text is here

The Entire Text of The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act « MikeSouth.Com

Im sure many of you will reply tl;dr...fine yer a fucking idiot. This is a serious law and as it stands it will pass. we have some time to prep for it...best not fuck it up.

Potential Effects and loopholes are here

How The California Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act Impacts YOU! « MikeSouth.Com

I would encourage you very strongly to read both. if you dont shoot in the USA ignore it...

question: since all the HIV comes into our industry from the gay side why are the gays trying to destroy the industry? any thoughts on that? and if you only shoot solo? then what?

[Va2k]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

question: since all the HIV comes into our industry from the gay side why are the gays trying to destroy the industry? any thoughts on that? and if you only shoot solo? then what?

Whoa " ALL HIV COMES FROM GAYS " um I can not believe that.
Come on, A Lot of models escort, have unprotected sex etc.. How can you or anyone say it's only the gays that give models Hiv? understand this!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Fungus

Whoa " ALL HIV COMES FROM GAYS " um I can not believe that.
Come on, A Lot of models escort, have unprotected sex etc.. How can you or anyone say it's only the gays that give models Hiv? understand this!

like whoa.... because every HIV positive in the industry has been from the gay side and no girls have been infected on set since 2004 and the guy the girls got infected by in 2004 caught it from trannies... is that gay? beats me... ... the last 3 positives were all gay related, and no one was infected on a straight sex set ... do you understand now?

I mean politically correct is cool and everything just not a reality

[Va2k]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

like whoa.... because every HIV positive in the industry has been from the gay side and no girls have been infected on set since 2004 and the guy the girls got infected by in 2004 caught it from trannies... is that gay? beats me... ... the last 3 positives were all gay related, and no one was infected on a straight sex set ... do you understand now?

I mean politically correct is cool and everything just not a reality

HOly shit didn't know this. Thought you were being funny ya know! sry

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

like whoa.... because every HIV positive in the industry has been from the gay side and no girls have been infected on set since 2004 and the guy the girls got infected by in 2004 caught it from trannies... is that gay? beats me... ... the last 3 positives were all gay related, and no one was infected on a straight sex set ... do you understand now?

I mean politically correct is cool and everything just not a reality

That is CONJECTURE not FACT

there have been several HIV positives since 2004 that were likely on set transmissions, he qualified it by saying girls but that isnt true either Sofia Delgado may have been on set and Cameron Bay was almost certainly on set....Just because the FSC repeats a lie over and over doesn't make it true but if we changed that word from transmissions to exposures there have been dozens maybe hundreds since 2004. To lay it all on the feet of gay performers is actually pretty fucking stupid and shows quite a misunderstanding of how infection occurs. While I would agree that the gay community was potentially the initial breeding ground (along with IV drug users) it has simply gone way past that now.

I dont like his law at all but thinking like this is what is going to pass it....It's time some of y'all educated yo'selves..

[Fat Panda]

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[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

That is CONJECTURE not FACT

there have been several HIV positives since 2004 that were likely on set transmissions, he qualified it by saying girls but that isnt true either Sofia Delgado may have been on set and Cameron Bay was almost certainly on set....Just because the FSC repeats a lie over and over doesn't make it true but if we changed that word from transmissions to exposures there have been dozens maybe hundreds since 2004. To lay it all on the feet of gay performers is actually pretty fucking stupid and shows quite a misunderstanding of how infection occurs. While I would agree that the gay community was potentially the initial breeding ground (along with IV drug users) it has simply gone way past that now.

I dont like his law at all but thinking like this is what is going to pass it....It's time some of y'all educated yo'selves..

nice try south... fact :Cameron bay was infected by her GAY hustler boyfriend. Cameron bay was NEVER proven to be on set HIV positive, camera bay was not on set when she was infected and was not on set after infection. a TEST stopped her from working on set... Cameron bay did NOT infect anyone on set..

if I remember correctly sofia delgato was 'ass freaking' with Cameron bay and her GAY hustler BF and became infected though this route. Sophia delgato was NEVER on set HIV positive was NOIT infected on set. just because you repeat a lie over and over does not give credit to that lie.

if you think sex, like California and AHF is SO dangerous you had better get to work banning sexual activity before we are all killed

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Fungus

HOly shit didn't know this. Thought you were being funny ya know! sry

I don't really kid about the HIV stuff and yet I really don't like being punished for gay behaviors however that seems to be the law of the land

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

...Sofia Delgado may have been on set and Cameron Bay was almost certainly on set...

Respectfully agree to disagree on these two cases, if you ask me (from whom I've spoken to, which is talent directly involved with Bay, Delgado, and Mr. Daily).

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by billywatson

Respectfully agree to disagree on these two cases, if you ask me (from whom I've spoken to, which is talent directly involved with Bay, Delgado, and Mr. Daily).

Disagree all ya want but the point is that you can no more say they for sure were on set exposures than you can say they werent

take cameron Bay...she says she got it on set you cant prove otherwise and more importantly who will have the more credibility in the eyes of the average voter?

The scary part is that I have at least two girls that claim they got HIV and quietly exited the industry and the industry doesn't have a clue. I suspect there are more.

These ideas that we can claim these things to be fact when they are simply conjecture will bury us. If we dont face this one head on it WILL become law and its gonna take a helluva lot more brains that the FSC has combined to defeat it.

[pornlaw]

It's almost impossible to match the RNA/DNA of HIV virus without the proper tests being done on everyone involved almost immediately. With that said, the last two confirmed on set transmissions on the straight side absolutely started with male talent. This past on set transmission in Las Vegas was a gay shoot so yes that absolutely involved make talent as well.

The Kink shoot did not involve an on set transmission or Cal Dept of Public Health would have released an alert like they recently did with the shoot in Vegas.

While it's not fair to blame the gay community, if you know anything about HIV transmission, it is completely accurate to say anal sex carries a huge potential for transmission far far far above oral sex and even demonstratively greater than vaginal sex where there is no internal pop.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I don't really kid about the HIV stuff and yet I really don't like being punished for gay behaviors however that seems to be the law of the land

You're ignorant and anti Gay as usual, keep your head in the sand

[PaperstreetWinston]

Thx for sharing

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

You're ignorant and anti Gay as usual, keep your head in the sand

Don't bother with facts, just make accusations of being "ignorant" and "anti Gay". Just throw it out and say absolutely nothing to back it up. Chill the air a little bit with a hint of the next name to come - homophobia! Yep, current political correctness stands for the proposition that if you threaten to accuse someone of being anti gay you can shut down any criticism.

Since you accused someone of being "ignorant" and "anti Gay" but gave no facts to back it up I think we can presume it is you who is ignorant or you would have made your case. Name calling is easy but not particularly bright.

On another note, is gay a proper noun requiring a capital "G"? If that is so, then is straight likewise a proper noun? What about Sportsman, Sailor, Homemaker, Mechanic, Homeless, Shiftless, Name Caller, etc? Is there an end to it?

We welcome hearing you make your case, with facts.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Don't bother with facts, just make accusations of being "ignorant" and "anti Gay". Just throw it out and say absolutely nothing to back it up. Chill the air a little bit with a hint of the next name to come - homophobia! Yep, current political correctness stands for the proposition that if you threaten to accuse someone of being anti gay you can shut down any criticism.

Since you accused someone of being "ignorant" and "anti Gay" but gave no facts to back it up I think we can presume it is you who is ignorant or you would have made your case. Name calling is easy but not particularly bright.

On another note, is gay a proper noun requiring a capital "G"? If that is so, then is straight likewise a proper noun? What about Sportsman, Sailor, Homemaker, Mechanic, Homeless, Shiftless, Name Caller, etc? Is there an end to it?

We welcome hearing you make your case, with facts.

All that and no facts? Gay, or not, HIV does not discriminate. Fact. Your turn dude with a girl avatar.

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

It's almost impossible to match the RNA/DNA of HIV virus without the proper tests being done on everyone involved almost immediately. With that said, the last two confirmed on set transmissions on the straight side absolutely started with male talent. This past on set transmission in Las Vegas was a gay shoot so yes that absolutely involved make talent as well.

The Kink shoot did not involve an on set transmission or Cal Dept of Public Health would have released an alert like they recently did with the shoot in Vegas.

While it's not fair to blame the gay community, if you know anything about HIV transmission, it is completely accurate to say anal sex carries a huge potential for transmission far far far above oral sex and even demonstratively greater than vaginal sex where there is no internal pop.

Here is the problem, which I quoted above:

Fear of being called anti gay. We pretend it is a heterosexual disease, and you have now made it an "anal" disease. We all know needle sharing is a risk, so let's skip to sexual transmission which is the issue. Guess what, females do not transmit it. If you think women transmit HIV please give me examples, along with your information source. Straight men do not transmit it. Gay and so-called "bi" men do transmit it to women and other men. It's not the anal act, it's the infected male.

The proliferation of gay escorting and cross performers is destroying our industry. Straight and gay lives matter. Gay and bi men should not be allowed in the straight side and should not be allowed to perform on the gay side if they are HIV positive. Producers should not allow cross over talent. Companies that buy content should not buy any that is cross over. Companies should not buy content that has HIV positive performers. HIV positive performers should not work. I do not know how to enforce this, but one thing is for certain, pretending straight people transmit HIV is stupid and won't solve the problem.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Here is the problem, which I quoted above:

Fear of being called anti gay. We pretend it is a heterosexual disease, and you have now made it an "anal" disease. We all know needle sharing is a risk, so let's skip to sexual transmission which is the issue. Guess what, females do not transmit it. If you think women transmit HIV please give me examples, along with your information source. Straight men do not transmit it. Gay and so-called "bi" men do transmit it to women and other men. It's not the anal act, it's the infected male.

The proliferation of gay escorting and cross performers is destroying our industry. Straight and gay lives matter. Gay and bi men should not be allowed in the straight side and should not be allowed to perform on the gay side if they are HIV positive. Producers should not allow cross over talent. Companies that buy content should not buy any that is cross over. Companies should not buy content that has HIV positive performers. HIV positive performers should not work. I do not know how to enforce this, but one thing is for certain, pretending straight people transmit HIV is stupid and won't solve the problem.

You are being divisive. Porn is porn. We are all in the same community. Women transmit HIV to men, Men transmit to Women, Female to Female, Male to Male.

Diverting the conversation to blame a particular sexual orientation for the spread of a disease is ignorant, and scientifically proven as false.

Your dreams of controlling who fucks who is porn is futile. You have no control.

Focus on the proposed new law and what you plan on doing to make a change, other then being a keyboard warrior.

Proposed laws like these are dangerous. The Gay community has learned to come together and fight hard to have unjust laws overturned, and our basic rights as Americans upheld. The porn community as a whole is capable of doing the same, if the leaders have the will to bring people together to fight, before the safer sex law is enacted.

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[mikesouth]

Lets not lose sight of the reality here this isnt JUST about HIV. admitted HIV is much less of a problem for people in straight heterosexual non anal sex but theres this other reality thats KILLING US our rates of Chlamydia and Gonorrhea in Porn Vally are 60 and 30 TIMES the norm.

combine that with the fact that when someone in the biz does get HIV they end up in AHFs lap so are you surprised to see AHF assert themselves as having a stake in this? We dont take care of our own that should have never happened.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

You are being divisive. Porn is porn. We are all in the same community. Women transmit HIV to men, Men transmit to Women, Female to Female, Male to Male.

Diverting the conversation to blame a particular sexual orientation for the spread of a disease is ignorant, and scientifically proven as false.

Your dreams of controlling who fucks who is porn is futile. You have no control.

Focus on the proposed new law and what you plan on doing to make a change, other then being a keyboard warrior.

Proposed laws like these are dangerous. The Gay community has learned to come together and fight hard to have unjust laws overturned, and our basic rights as Americans upheld. The porn community as a whole is capable of doing the same, if the leaders have the will to bring people together to fight, before the safer sex law is enacted.

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as a guy with 25 years in narcotics anonymous which is heavily affected with HIV, I have not seen ONE case of female to male transmission but I did notice in the link you posted that there have been 5 possible cases of female to female transmission in 30 years of records keeping concerning HIV transmission and infection.. oh by the way, you're a loud mouth piece of shit ... just sayin' you know? (see I don't know you and I don't know if you're a pedophile or necrophilia... so I won't make unfounded accusation like you seem to enjoy... but for a fact I do know you're a loud mouth piece of shit)

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

You are being divisive. Porn is porn. We are all in the same community. Women transmit HIV to men, Men transmit to Women, Female to Female, Male to Male.

Diverting the conversation to blame a particular sexual orientation for the spread of a disease is ignorant, and scientifically proven as false.

Your dreams of controlling who fucks who is porn is futile. You have no control.

Focus on the proposed new law and what you plan on doing to make a change, other then being a keyboard warrior.

Proposed laws like these are dangerous. The Gay community has learned to come together and fight hard to have unjust laws overturned, and our basic rights as Americans upheld. The porn community as a whole is capable of doing the same, if the leaders have the will to bring people together to fight, before the safer sex law is enacted.

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Thank you for your source, which I did read and I encourage others to read. It is about female to female and basically it found no verifiable female to female infection. The study found out of five claimed such infections one - repeat one case infection was ??supported by identification of similar HIV genotypes in the source patient and the recipient". Similar, not even matching. Imagine, only five claimed cases. And, no female to male.

I'm not going to comment further after your remark about "keyboard warrior", you should look in the mirror.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

Thank you for your source, which I did read and I encourage others to read. It is about female to female and basically it found no verifiable female to female infection. The study found out of five claimed such infections one - repeat one case infection was ??supported by identification of similar HIV genotypes in the source patient and the recipient". Similar, not even matching. Imagine, only five claimed cases. And, no female to male.

I'm not going to comment further after your remark about "keyboard warrior", you should look in the mirror.

Dude start a new thread about your view of Gay / Bisexual porn wrecking the industry, it has no place here.

As MikeSouth said, "Lets not lose sight of the reality here "

[MaDalton]

I always wonder: those that say there is no female to male infection - as a guy - if you knew the girl you are going to fuck is HIV positive - would you do it bareback?

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

if you think sex, like California and AHF is SO dangerous you had better get to work banning sexual activity before we are all killed

Yes, how dangerous is sex? If the AHF/state/Feds are trying to pretty much ban on-camera sex because it's dangerous, then how dangerous is sex for people who aren't doing it on camera? Is there something we're not being told?

Surely though, if all the recent (say, since 2004) HIV outbreaks in the hetero porn industry can be traced to some instance of gay sex (as Grapesoda suggests), then shouldn't we in the straight side of the industry institute a permanent moratorium on crossover performers in straight scenes, and educate female performers on the dangers of sex with bisexual men? Wouldn't that actually go a long way to solving this problem?

Perhaps the AHF, as a gay advocacy group, would prefer we use condoms for everything or just disappear altogether, rather than discriminate (even with good reason) against their constituency.

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Lets not lose sight of the reality here this isnt JUST about HIV. admitted HIV is much less of a problem for people in straight heterosexual non anal sex but theres this other reality thats KILLING US our rates of Chlamydia and Gonorrhea in Porn Vally are 60 and 30 TIMES the norm.

combine that with the fact that when someone in the biz does get HIV they end up in AHFs lap so are you surprised to see AHF assert themselves as having a stake in this? We dont take care of our own that should have never happened.

So your official stand, Mike, is condoms in porn 100%?

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by billywatson

So your official stand, Mike, is condoms in porn 100%?

My official stand IS, ALWAYS HAS BEEN and ALWAYS WILL BE:

Condoms should be entirely up to the performers PERIOD!

It has never hurt my sales and until recently that has been my official policy. recently I have started requiring them (for anal and vaginal) because the rest of you cocksuckers are bringing heat on me by not allowing them.

But the reality is I am going to be effected by the asshats in California that couldn't do a better job of managing this crisis and am preparing for that.

Dont mistake my telling people why and how this industry fucked up as my policy...

[pornlaw]

Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are secondary concerns for CalOSHA. Those are not bloodborne pathogens.

Adult isnt even mentioned in their list of High Hazard Industries...

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh/HHU_List.pdf

CalOSHA is mostly concerned with HIV, AIDS & Hepatitis C. Those are the killers. If it werent for AHF constantly pushing this issue it would be far down the list on CalOSHA's concerns. There are far more dangerous occupations than pornstar.

[ilnjscb]

I don't mean to bring innapropes levity to this thread but is that raccoon biting your ear or are you laughing?

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Condoms should be entirely up to the performers PERIOD!

Agreed 100%

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I don't mean to bring innapropes levity to this thread but is that raccoon biting your ear or are you laughing?

Its a baby and it was licking behind my ear and making me laugh.....Brett Rossi told me it looked like it was telling me a funny secret so I went with it...;)

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are secondary concerns for CalOSHA.
Adult isnt even mentioned in their list of High Hazard Industries...

...

YET...but I think that shot they fired across our bow about a month ago is prelude to that happening...at least in Cali.

[RyuLion]

Lots to read, will bookmark it for later..

[ilnjscb]

I read the whole thing he is correct - the Freeman state is going to decline. A few glamour models doing BG won't help it. I said LA would be damaged, to much ridicule, as I recall, and it has been. Now Cali is on the way out.

States have lawyers on staff - enough said. They LOVE easy targets.

[American Psycho]

Different HIV Rates Among Homosexuals And Heterosexuals Ignores Risky Behavior Data

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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

Different HIV Rates Among Homosexuals And Heterosexuals Ignores Risky Behavior Data

Talk less read more

Do more then point the finger of blame. Pointing your finger doesn't change the industries reality.

[pornlaw]

CalOSHA didn't put out the alert. That came from Public Health.

AHF isn't getting what they want from CalOSHA - they burned a lot of bridges in Cali. So now they have to spend millions and take a chance on a ballot measure.. It really is their last hope. So far they had no real victories. Sure they got Measure B passed but where has that gone - no where.

No one wants to be bothered enforcing it. The new CalOSHA regs are years away from being finished and implemented. Their efforts in Sacramento have failed. And only a few companies have been fined under CalOSHA. The most recent got an $8000 fine. That's it.

It's been a tempest in a tea cup. Much like 2257 was several years ago. A bunch of inspections but no one was ever charged with anything - except for GGW. They paid a fine and that was it. Even the 2257 charges against Ira were dropped by the Feds.

That's the reason for all of the language in the new law about lawsuits. AHF realizes no one but them will ever really enforce condoms in porn.

And if they tried they will find out quickly how difficult it will be to reach company assets. They still think it's the 1990s and only Cali based producers in Cali shoot porn. Good luck to them trying to sue & attached offshore assets. LOL

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

CalOSHA didn't put out the alert. That came from Public Health.

AHF isn't getting what they want from CalOSHA - they burned a lot of bridges in Cali. So now they have to spend millions and take a chance on a ballot measure.. It really is their last hope. So far they had no real victories. Sure they got Measure B passed but where has that gone - no where.

No one wants to be bothered enforcing it. The new CalOSHA regs are years away from being finished and implemented. Their efforts in Sacramento have failed. And only a few companies have been fined under CalOSHA. The most recent got an $8000 fine. That's it.

It's been a tempest in a tea cup. Much like 2257 was several years ago. A bunch of inspections but no one was ever charged with anything - except for GGW. They paid a fine and that was it. Even the 2257 charges against Ira were dropped by the Feds.

That's the reason for all of the language in the new law about lawsuits. AHF realizes no one but them will ever really enforce condoms in porn.

And if they tried they will find out quickly how difficult it will be to reach company assets. They still think it's the 1990s and only Cali based producers in Cali shoot porn. Good luck to them trying to sue & attached offshore assets. LOL

Michael - super duper respect an' all, but you of all people realize how draining it is for a little guy (not a lawyer like you) to be sued by a government entity. They don't seem to care as much about collection, like a private litigant, and they generally have special enforcement tools. It may only produce a slow decline, but it will have an effect. Maybe some operations are set up to be legally impervious but that is not most domestic producers.

[pornlaw]

It's draining for any company to be fined by a govt entity - that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that AHF has gone to this step because they havent been able to get what they want from their efforts - all producers using condoms in 100% of all scenes that are produced.

I've been working with CalOSHA for several years on the new regs. There will be ways to work around some of the regs and that's not what AHF wants. For instance they don't want producers to be able not to use condoms for oral scenes even those theres a lack of scientific evidence that HIV is spread through oral sex.

If anyone is concerned with the CalOSHA coming after them then you have to realize that CalOSHA is a small overworked department that is limited in their manpower to enforce all of the existing worker health & safety laws. Cali is a huge state with millions of individual employers and tens of millions of workers.

Im not advocating non-compliance Im just trying to put all of this into perspective. Im the only attorney that has assisted several producers with condom permits in LA county. But I don't take the sky is falling approach other attorneys and other people have taken to 2257 and now these regs. Im just putting this all into content and giving some of the back story.