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plaster · 11-26-2015, 08:59 PM

http://m.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-...s-sales-1.html

12clicks' Position On Cross Sales
After reading the rash of threads recently regarding cross sales, it's clear that most people don't know much more about the subject other than whatever it is that's been yelled the loudest on the boards. As someone who is in the cross sale business, I thought I would respond to the hysteria.

Pre-checked cross sales are a legal, commonly used way of doing business that both Visa and Mastercard allow. When done correctly (as in, how I do it) there is a huge benefit to the program owner with very little risk. There is also a correct way to handle the surfer so as not to scare them away from adult sites altogether. When done incorrectly, the industry is put at risk.

Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice.
I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat.

However, there has been way too much lumping together of properly done cross sales with the hidden, shady cross sale practices that we all know are going on. This is done mostly by the uninformed but also by some who's agenda it is to discredit a business practice that is not their own (in typical GFY style)

Take our model for example.
Our prechecks are fully visible and explained in detail above the submit button. There is nothing hidden about them. They are right in the surfer's face. However, if the surfer doesn't understand or somehow doesn't see the checkbox, he WILL receive an email in plain text (so as not to get caught in a spam filter) explaining that he has joined along with the website URL and more importantly, the CANCEL PAGE URL. There is simply no deception. But we go even further to protect the surfer. If, somehow, they didn't see the checkbox and didn't get the email, our descriptors that show up on their credit card statement have our toll free customer service phone number and our cancel page url. If they contact our customer service and ask for a refund, we refund them in full NO QUESTIONS ASKED. It doesn't matter whether they say,"I have no idea what this charge is" or "I just want to cheat you out of money" we give a full refund. All of that is to take care of the surfer!

We also have a few proprietary ways of protecting the program owner who sells to us from the small percentage of disgruntled surfers as well but that's not for public consumption. There's a reason we're better than our competition and I'm just not going to give it away on a chat board.

And just a quick word on retention. Since I also sell off some cross sales, I too, am very concerned about retention. Because of the way we operate cross sales, we've always enjoyed great retention. At a time when you hear people struggling for 3month retention, we're looking at many many many surfers staying with us for over a year. The myth that cross sales hurt retention is just that, a myth.

I'm currently working with some of the biggest most ethical companies in our business and there's a reason for that. If you're a program owner who's interested in cross sales, contact me and find out why.

plaster · 11-26-2015, 09:28 PM

Which industry scumbag is behind this never ending scam?
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...12clicks+thief

https://gfy.com/19504939-post14.html
TraceRoute from Network-Tools.com to 66.115.143.135 [agamegirlz.com]

TraceRoute from Network-Tools.com to 66.115.143.135 [blastedhardcore.com]

Scroll down to Webmasters tab on blastedhardcore.com

12clickscash.com

I am shocked and appalled. My people will be getting to the bottom of this.
meanwhile, finish cleaning your mothers' basement.
https://gfy.com/19506532-post44.html

"Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice.
I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat."

Have never bought a chat sale, they are not worth fuck, spent a shitload of time at MC banning the fuckers, have not sent a sale to Ron since he ran blindclicks (me personally) I have however discussed it with him, and when something mutually beneficial comes along I would not hesitate to do so.

As far as cross sales are concerned, yep I use them, never denied it, have also on many occasions posted here that I was looking to buy them. However the stats I posted are all one person, one membership.
https://gfy.com/20636061-post139.html

Originally Posted by OldJeff View Post
Where did plaster caster go ?

Was hoping to hear more "Rhetoric"
Ahahahaha

https://gfy.com/20632651-post107.html

plaster · 11-26-2015, 10:15 PM

Guess who is above?

freecartoonporn · 11-27-2015, 03:17 AM

i would love to be owner of site which charges/makes $120+ per sale, dang
just saying.

CaptainHowdy · 11-27-2015, 08:15 AM

Damn ......

OldJeff · 11-16-2021, 06:54 AM

Calling caster, I want to play

12clicks · 11-16-2021, 07:43 PM

I think that plaster fuck is flipping burgers somewhere.

Speigelau · 11-17-2021, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I think that plaster fuck is flipping burgers somewhere.

He's still posting plenty here as Beaner, mostly in the political forum.

12clicks · 11-17-2021, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speigelau

He's still posting plenty here as Beaner, mostly in the political forum.

oh, he's Beaner? figures

J. Falcon · 11-17-2021, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speigelau

He's still posting plenty here as Beaner, mostly in the political forum.

He's a troll.

OldJeff · 11-17-2021, 08:38 AM

Hey Beaner, you take my money yet ?

My bank account says no, but I am getting senile

11-26-2015, 08:59 PM	#1
plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	Oh boy.. what a goodie... http://m.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-...s-sales-1.html 12clicks' Position On Cross Sales After reading the rash of threads recently regarding cross sales, it's clear that most people don't know much more about the subject other than whatever it is that's been yelled the loudest on the boards. As someone who is in the cross sale business, I thought I would respond to the hysteria. Pre-checked cross sales are a legal, commonly used way of doing business that both Visa and Mastercard allow. When done correctly (as in, how I do it) there is a huge benefit to the program owner with very little risk. There is also a correct way to handle the surfer so as not to scare them away from adult sites altogether. When done incorrectly, the industry is put at risk. Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice. I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat. However, there has been way too much lumping together of properly done cross sales with the hidden, shady cross sale practices that we all know are going on. This is done mostly by the uninformed but also by some who's agenda it is to discredit a business practice that is not their own (in typical GFY style) Take our model for example. Our prechecks are fully visible and explained in detail above the submit button. There is nothing hidden about them. They are right in the surfer's face. However, if the surfer doesn't understand or somehow doesn't see the checkbox, he WILL receive an email in plain text (so as not to get caught in a spam filter) explaining that he has joined along with the website URL and more importantly, the CANCEL PAGE URL. There is simply no deception. But we go even further to protect the surfer. If, somehow, they didn't see the checkbox and didn't get the email, our descriptors that show up on their credit card statement have our toll free customer service phone number and our cancel page url. If they contact our customer service and ask for a refund, we refund them in full NO QUESTIONS ASKED. It doesn't matter whether they say,"I have no idea what this charge is" or "I just want to cheat you out of money" we give a full refund. All of that is to take care of the surfer! We also have a few proprietary ways of protecting the program owner who sells to us from the small percentage of disgruntled surfers as well but that's not for public consumption. There's a reason we're better than our competition and I'm just not going to give it away on a chat board. And just a quick word on retention. Since I also sell off some cross sales, I too, am very concerned about retention. Because of the way we operate cross sales, we've always enjoyed great retention. At a time when you hear people struggling for 3month retention, we're looking at many many many surfers staying with us for over a year. The myth that cross sales hurt retention is just that, a myth. I'm currently working with some of the biggest most ethical companies in our business and there's a reason for that. If you're a program owner who's interested in cross sales, contact me and find out why.

11-27-2015, 03:17 AM	#4
freecartoonporn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NC Posts: 7,683	i would love to be owner of site which charges/makes $120+ per sale, dang just saying. __________________ SSD Cloud Server, VPS Server, Simple Cloud Hosting \| DigitalOcean

11-27-2015, 08:15 AM	#5
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,999	Damn ...... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

11-16-2021, 06:54 AM	#6
OldJeff Big Fucking hahahaha Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,966	Calling caster, I want to play __________________ "As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))"- Nickatilynx "I kinda like it when a lot of people die"-George Carlin DEI = Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka

11-17-2021, 08:38 AM	#11
OldJeff Big Fucking hahahaha Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,966	Hey Beaner, you take my money yet ? My bank account says no, but I am getting senile __________________ "As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))"- Nickatilynx "I kinda like it when a lot of people die"-George Carlin DEI = Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka

11-26-2015, 09:28 PM	#2
plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	Which industry scumbag is behind this never ending scam? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...12clicks+thief https://gfy.com/19504939-post14.html TraceRoute from Network-Tools.com to 66.115.143.135 [agamegirlz.com] TraceRoute from Network-Tools.com to 66.115.143.135 [blastedhardcore.com] Scroll down to Webmasters tab on blastedhardcore.com 12clickscash.com I am shocked and appalled. My people will be getting to the bottom of this. meanwhile, finish cleaning your mothers' basement. https://gfy.com/19506532-post44.html "Hidden, pre-checked cross sales are misleading, wrong, and most likely illegal. None of us should be surprised to see some large programs prosecuted by the DOJ or FTC for this underhanded practice. I do not support them, condone them, or do anything besides pray for their demise. They hurt us all and we do not now, nor will we ever, do business with people who practice hidden cross sales. If we have a partner who turns to the dark side, we will drop them in a heart beat." Have never bought a chat sale, they are not worth fuck, spent a shitload of time at MC banning the fuckers, have not sent a sale to Ron since he ran blindclicks (me personally) I have however discussed it with him, and when something mutually beneficial comes along I would not hesitate to do so. As far as cross sales are concerned, yep I use them, never denied it, have also on many occasions posted here that I was looking to buy them. However the stats I posted are all one person, one membership. https://gfy.com/20636061-post139.html Originally Posted by OldJeff View Post Where did plaster caster go ? Was hoping to hear more "Rhetoric" Ahahahaha https://gfy.com/20632651-post107.html

11-26-2015, 10:15 PM	#3
plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	Guess who is above?

11-16-2021, 07:43 PM	#7
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	I think that plaster fuck is flipping burgers somewhere.