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U.S. Edges Closer to a Dangerous Proxy War with Putin - Yahoo Finance

Title mismatch because the stupid article seems to think the US is just "edging closer" when a proxy war, financial war, hacking war, trade war with Russia has been going on for many months. It's amazing the US wants to invest resources against Russia (a nation which is essentially peaceful but SOMEHOW manages to have a reputation that is not peaceful) when we have ISIS.....

klinton

nothing surprising or amazing here. US, as each Empire, hates when there is someone not "complying" with its policies and not bending over on each occasion...

OneHungLo

So they now claim Putin has Asperger's syndrome ..wow

ctggls

Do you that what happens in Ukraine makes Russia peaceful...? Maybe you should read some more abut Russia and her leaders

RummyBoy

Yes! I always that what happens!

Don't you think it would be better to focus resources on attacking ISIS?

celandina

How come that:

Quebeckers can decide by vote
Scotts can decide by vote
Basks can decide by vote
Macedonians can decide by vote
Slovaks can decide by vote
Welsh can decide by vote
Kosovaars can decide by vote

but not Eastern Ukrainian Russians?

I guess on once red always pink.....

hadden

They can't decide that their natural sovereign resources aren't the new assets of the imf/bis, no. I would also imagine some of the gold pilfered was theirs too.

celandina

Completely agree. Even Churchill cut a deal with Stalin to defeat the Nazis. How quickly we forget that. So the West should cut a deal with :....

... Assad and the Iranians and give all the weapons the Kurds need and get it done. And yes, cut a deal with Putin to send his army down there to clean it up.


Or i will move to Mosul and buy myself some $ 500 virgins

aka123

Russia "is essentially peaceful", but is already in proxy/ direct war with Ukraine? For starters Russia hasn't peaceful reputation, nor having a war against another country falls within the definition of peaceful; especially when that "peaceful" party is the aggressor.

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aka123

To make deal with ISIS? Russia is the only party in here that has muslim neighbours and neither one has ISIS, so deal with Russia does nada in terms of defeating ISIS. It would be more logical to make deal with muslims against Russia. Churchill made deal with Stalin because of geographical reasons.

Just saying why western allies did cooperate with Stalin.

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crockett

Oh give me a fucking break.. calling it a "US" proxy war as if it were the US whom forced Russia to invade.

News flash we are already at war with Putin, with sanctions due to Russia's aggression. The rest of the world has decided Russia is out of line so other countries are free to help. Russia is like US conservatives.. always on the wrong side of an argument.

Also.. how brainwashed do you have to be to call Russia "peaceful" when they are actively trying to take over another country..

pimpmaster9000

when was the last time US intervention ever brought any good to the world?

avghanistan=joke
korea=global nuke hazard
iran=classic US fuck up
iraq=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
bosnia=fake muslim country in the middle of europe
kosovo=same as above

oh USA for the good of the world, just have the brains to realize that you are complete fuck ups, just stay the fuck home on this one, you can not even fix shit in your own country, please please just fuck the fuck off

pimpmaster9000

to be fair, russia is much more peaceful than the USA...unlike the USA it is not dropping bombs on civilians in multiple countries at the same time for decades ect...so compared to the USA even iran is peaceful because they have attacked waaaaaaay less countries and caused waaaaay less civilian damage...shit even Alquaida and ISIS are peaceful compared to the USA...nobody can hold a candle to the USA in terms of mass terrorism and death and destruction

now go on and call russia not peaceful

just a punk

Facts don't work on brainwashed herd. If they say Russia is evil, the USA are angels - don't even try to argue

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aka123

In USA vs Soviet Union (or Russia) proxywars, the definition says already, that the both parties are involved in it. Otherwise it won't be proxy war.

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MetaMan

Russians are some of the most stuck up, idiotic people on the entire planet.

They are so stupid is actually pains me. I have met Russians all over the world and they all are somehow are the exact same. I guess that is what happens when you grow up living in a box thinking you are top of the world.

You cannot allow a country like Russia to move forward. The USA is doing the right thing by helping Ukraine.

These Russian idiots really believe that Ukrainian people want to be apart of Russia. Russians are a mind boggling cow fucking turds of a people.

hadden

Half of them do

klinton

dont argue with MetaMan. Meta-Man is from Mon -Tana, he loves to eat in Mac - Donalds and he knows about po- litics

hadden

lol

MetaMan

Yes good job at pointing out "facts" (that do not exist and are made up in your squirrel sized brain)

How many Ukrainians do you know? I'm guessing 0.

1. I'm not American
2. I don't eat Mcondonalds. I shit Wagu and piss Chateau Lafite (go look it up loser). I'm 6'3, ripped and have had more dime pussy that you could ever dream up in your thin little skull.

Go back to your sandbox son mommy is going to be calling you in to eat your boiled cawotts so you won't hurt you teef.

fucking losers.

klinton

where is 12 clicks, when you need him ?
are you French or with French origins by any chance ?

hadden

Currently just my spouse since we returned from her home country. lol

Rochard

Well, let's talk about this.

Afghanistan - al qaeda (which is called "the base") has lost it's "base" in Afghanistan and has no longer been able to mount another attack like 9/11. So, mission accomplished there.

Korea - Our goal was to stop the communist controlled section of Korea from taking over the entire Korean peninsula. Sixty years later and... South Korea is flourishing and doing great, and the communists never took over. Again, mission accomplished.

Iran - Did we go to war with Iran. Did I miss that?

Iraq - Our goal with Iraq was to remove Iraq as a threat to Kuwait, and then to remove Saddam from power. Iraq is no longer a threat to anyone, Kuwait is safe, and Saddam and his political party is no longer in control. Once again, mission accomplished.

Bosnia, Kosovo.... I couldn't even tell you much about these countries. I don't recall the US sending in hundreds of thousands of troops, nor even being in charge - that was a NATO thing.

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ilnjscb

Everyone knows you hate the USA - you are clearly a smart guy but the above is just a touch childish. If the USA, which I'll grant you has made many mistakes and has much to answer for, was made up of "complete fuck ups" why has it had the position it has enjoyed in the world for over 70 years? Without some sort of magical thinking you can't rationally explain it unless you admit some value in the populace.

You called the oil thing right on, I'll give you that, but I don't think anybody is saying the above. Do you, possessing a clear grasp of matters, really think that the government in Moscow right now is optimal, or even beneficial? That is a genuine question.

just a punk

Al Qaeda is Taliban + Osama. Both are CIA projects. How many CIA bosses were imprisoned and executed for that? I guess ZERO

9/11 was done by Saudis (no relation to Afghanistan at all). What did your fucked up government to punish them? Yes, you are right again - NOTHING.

Oops?

And you failed. Such a big overpaid and cool (according to Hollywood movies) was unable to defeat some stone-aged communist Koran army? Yep, that's not as easy as to bomb sleeping kids and women in Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Nope, your army is too weak for such a serious enemy. I mean you have no single chance to win there. Remember Korea, Vietnam or Iraq (the creation of ISIS is the only goal you have achieved there)?

What's wrong was about Saddam? He was your ally (a stupid lunatic) and you fucked it up again (now there is ISIS territory)

And that's your problem. You don't give a shit about the EU (which for some stupid reason acts like your pet and trusts in your "friendship") and you don't mind to bomb the shit out of it to create radical Muslim countries there (Kosovo). Do you remember how seriously Euro dropped to USD after that? Personally I do

P.S. These are just raw facts. You can't change them.

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femdomdestiny

Kosovars (muslim terrorists and one of the most loyal fighters in Syria on ISIS side) decided by terrorizing Serbian state for years until they got US help to take land by force and after years of classic terrorist actions. Now,Kosovo is used as drug smuggling center,and place where from terrorists are recruited.Also, there are no Kosovars, there are Albanians from Kosovo and Metohija . How good they live in biggest shithole in Europe (created by US and Germany) you can read in one of articles from today : Blic Online | ALBANCI BE?E SA KOSOVA Puni autobusi iz Pri?tine idu za Suboticu

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aka123

So, there has been much about Russia and US. What about Ukraine, has it any saying in this? I don't think the aid would be served involuntarily.

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pimpmaster9000

you did not solve any problems, you basically just dropped a load of bombs and went...its not real victory if you just turn the place to rubble, and declare job well done

avghanistan is still a war zone...you failed...alquaida is an idea it is not a man...you killed binladen but terrorism still exists...fail...

korea...communists are now nuclear communists...I would have to be a very drunk US patriot to declare this one a victory...you cemented a commie dynasty at the great expense of the north...you did a half ass job just like in vietnam...you are incompetent

iran...utter incompetence of the US secret service and its puppet the shah allowed khomeini to rise to power...complete and utter incompetence...no you did not bomb or invade...but the fuck up is on your hands...

iraq: AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh come on man its worse than it was under saddam you cant be serious?

bosnia and kosovo are the USA-s brainchild...muslim countries in the middle of europe...only an uneducated american can not understand how ridiculously stupid this whole idea is...you would have to attend US primary, US middle school and then go to the US army to achieve such ignorance...oh and 1000 kosovars (muslim kosovars) are fleeing the country every day...there are even extra bus tours with one way tickets out of the country...in 20 years there will be no more population ...good job USA (you guys really do a good good job) LOL

oh and good job in vietnam you really "won" there if your enemy was vegetation and farmers...at one time you actually deforested 90% of their jungles with napalm bad bad bad communist trees!...and what the fuck is up with that communist farming?!?! dont they know rice grows 2x better under capitalist sun?

bro...seriously...you do a shitty shitty job ...you bomb well...but you are completely incompetent and its painfully obvious


because you invested in weapons of mass destruction and the rest of the world invested in free education and health care...there is always that one douchebag that spoils it for everybody else...

value in the populace? absolutely...I just hate the crap out of what your government stands for and what it does to the world...

crockett

I never said the US was peaceful. I said you would have top be brainwashed to think Russia is "mostly peaceful". Nowhere did I claim US was peaceful.

However just like all you little want a be commies, you can't take any criticism of your precious mother Russia with out trying to dragging up everything you can about the US as if they makes it acceptable for your beloved Russia to do anything it wants.

crockett

You are the brainwashed herd here.. Russia invading Ukraine has nothing to do with the US, no matter how much you try to cry and whine about the big bad evil US, it's still Russia whom is the one invading Ukraine..

OneHungLo

America > Russia

just a punk

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RummyBoy

Yeah sure but it probably falls into a pool of say 4 or 5 countries which have done some limited invasions but how many countries over the last 50 years Russia invaded that were not justified? You cant include Chechnya (terrorism) or Georgia (never completed). You can include Ukraine but it looks like there are some pretty strong strategic/other basis behind it.

Anyway, even its not a major threat otherwise why did you vote so blatantly:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...rld-peace.html

aka123

How about Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Georgia (yes, I include that) and Ukraine. All wars can of course be justified by somehow, at least by some country or by some man. Adolf did justify attacking Soviet Union; lebensraum and so on.

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just a punk

What Russia has to do with both?

As about Georgia, so it was not invaded. It was just a strike back for Russian peace keepers killed by Georgian army. Any country in the World would do the same. Look at Israel, for example.

Now Ukraine. I'm still waiting for the satellite pictures that prove it. As far as you know, no pics - never happen

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aka123

Sorry, it was the Marsians, not even remotely related to Russia and Russians.

Even if there were some Russian "peacekeepers" killed, it doesn't give reason for large scale attack. What a fucking peacekeeping is that? That is not how peacekeeping works. Any country in the world doesn't do that, or haven't done that, despite of dead peacekeepers.

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just a punk

Also related to Georgians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Latvians, Estonians, Suomi (yes,there are about 2 millions of yours lived in the Soviet Union), Kazakhs, Armenians and others. Should I name all nations from the USSR that were participating in the Czechoslovakian and Afghan invasions?

Why you are that stupid, man?

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just a punk

Listen, you a Nazi piece of shit. Those were peacekeepers. They were attacked and killed by the regular Georgian army (not buy a bunch of terrorists). So you can stick those quotes up to your stinky finnish ass.

O'rly? Tell it to Israel or States, clown.

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aka123

Soviet Union was mainly Russian scheme, and it started from Russia and the fellow "nations" were joined in war.

And there wasn't 2 million Finns in Soviet Union, Finno-Ugric folks yes. Pretty much every single Finn got away when Soviet Union caught territory from Finland in those two wars during WWII.

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aka123

So, what they have done, and are those your's rolemodels?

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just a punk

Now I see, you are a real idiot. Don't want to discuss anything with an imbecile. Näkemiin.

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C4W

Funny to read it's wery clear why we have such conflitcs all the time.

You are an idiot, No u i i was first!

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aka123

Kiitos kohteliaisuudesta.

About Soviet Union.

"The Soviet Union had its roots in the Russian Revolution of 1917, which overthrew the Russian Empire. The Bolsheviks, the majority faction of the Social Democratic Labour Party, led by Vladimir Lenin, then led a second revolution which overthrew the provisional government and established the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (renamed Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1936), beginning a civil war between pro-revolution Reds and counter-revolution Whites. The Red Army entered several territories of the former Russian Empire, and helped local Communists take power through soviets that nominally acted on behalf of workers and peasants. In 1922, the Communists were victorious, forming the Soviet Union with the unification of the Russian, Transcaucasian, Ukrainian, and Byelorussian republics."

Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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celandina

Fuck where did you take your history and geography ? In Mossul ???
I said make a deal with Assad, the Iranians and Putin to knock off ISIS

Last time the Russians burned anybody alive was Jelemlian Pugachev in 1700s.... A long
time before the Americans burned the witches in Salem.

I give up.

aka123

Yes, you did say that. I don't deny that. I said something different.

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just a punk

Nope he hasn't been burned. Burning people alive is an old good Western European tradition (Russians always were too barbaric to use such progressive methods). Pugachev was decapitated.



They still do this even today. Just in a more technological manner (21th century...)

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klinton

it also works the different way....

like some believe that Russia are angels and US 100 % devil........

klinton

aka123

"The sentence for an individual found guilty of witchcraft or sorcery during this time, and in previous centuries, typically included either burning at the stake or being tested with the "ordeal of cold water" or judicium aquae frigidae.[162] The cold-water test was primarily a Western European phenomenon, but was used as a method of truth in Russia prior to, and post, seventeenth-century witchcraft trials in Muscovy. Accused persons who drowned were considered innocent, and ecclesiastical authorities would proclaim them "brought back," but those who floated were considered guilty of practicing witchcraft, and burned at the stake or executed in an unholy fashion. The thirteenth-century bishop of Vladimir, Serapion Vladimirskii, preached sermons throughout the Muscovite countryside, and in one particular sermon revealed that burning was the usual punishment for witchcraft, but more often the cold water test was used as a precursor to execution.[162]"

Witchcraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Finns did burn witches too. Don't take this as another "Whoaa, The Motherland is at the brink of peril! Evil forces are after it."

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just a punk

Only an idiot thinks like that. I'm just starting laughing when citizens of the most aggressive country on the planet accuse my country in aggression. I don't mind to hear that from Mongolians or New Zealands for example

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