FACT: Cholesterol consumption is NOT a concern.

[dyna mo]

As I've been saying for a while now-

'Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.'

One of the six core goals since the 1970s has been to limit the intake of cholesterol to less than 300mg per day, however the present Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee (DGAC) does not believe that cholesterol consumption is something we need to be worried about.


The U.S. government is poised to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol - The Washington Post

[EonBlue]

But, but, but.....I thought the science was settled!





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[crockett]

I've never agreed with it being much of a concern for a normally healthy person. Humans have eaten red meats since we climbed out of the trees. It's the shit which gets pumped into the animals which is the problem, not the cholesterol found in meat & eggs..

I eat eggs just about everyday and my heart is still pumping just fine.. I also eat the fat on steaks..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

But, but, but.....I thought the science was settled!





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Science is never settled, and no scientist is ever going to say it is. Science is knowledge biased on theories & evidence which are known at the time. Scientist entire job is to prove and disprove theories and evidence which we believe may or may not be true.

That's what science is..

[hottoddy]

85% of serum cholesterol is produced by your liver, primarily in response to carb consumption (white foods: wheat, rice, sugars). Over eating these foods, and being overweight, usually results in higher cholesterol levels. Although there is a genetic component which makes many pre-disposed to high cholesterol.

High cholesterol has never been conclusively linked to heart disease. Rather, it's likely other processes that accompany high carb consumption (insulin response, inflammation, high bp, oxidation of cholesterol - hardening, obesity).

More and more doctors are slowly realizing that low-carb, paleo, wheat-belly (all derivations of the same theme), is the way to go diet wise. It's only taken 40 years.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by crockett

I've never agreed with it being much of a concern for a normally healthy person. Humans have eaten red meats since we climbed out of the trees. It's the shit which gets pumped into the animals which is the problem, not the cholesterol found in meat & eggs..

I eat eggs just about everyday and my heart is still pumping just fine.. I also eat the fat on steaks..

My family would be dead if eggs were bad for you. I think we go through minimum of 3 dozen a week between just my husband and 2 of my daughters.

I don't give my chickens hormones or antibiotics (if I can avoid) and in spring/summer their food consists mostly of bugs so more protein than regular caged bird eggs. Winter I buy them supers (gross worm things) to keep up the protein in the eggs.

Everyone should have backyard chickens!

[PornoPlopedia]

Cholesterol is mainly due to bad genes. If you suffer from familial hypercholesterolemia you can starve all you want your LDL levels will not normalize.
Statins have been used with some success

Brace yourselves for the new drug coming. It is called pcsk9 and it will effectively eliminate bad cholesterol at the source. I am now in the testing program and I can tell you that the results are FUCKING impressive
It allowed me to enjoy the Poutine all over again ;)

I love science and porn

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

As I've been saying for a while now-

'Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.'

One of the six core goals since the 1970s has been to limit the intake of cholesterol to less than 300mg per day, however the present Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee (DGAC) does not believe that cholesterol consumption is something we need to be worried about.


The U.S. government is poised to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol - The Washington Post

I'm currently on a statin for my cholesterol, does this news mean bacon?

Originally Posted by crockett

Science is never settled, and no scientist is ever going to say it is. Science is knowledge biased on theories & evidence which are known at the time. Scientist entire job is to prove and disprove theories and evidence which we believe may or may not be true.

That's what science is..

but... but... climate change!

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Everyone should have backyard chickens!

My dad told me the exact same thing. I don't think I would want to have chickens in my backyard, and I live int he middle of a farm field.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

85% of serum cholesterol is produced by your liver, primarily in response to carb consumption (white foods: wheat, rice, sugars). Over eating these foods, and being overweight, usually results in higher cholesterol levels. Although there is a genetic component which makes many pre-disposed to high cholesterol.

High cholesterol has never been conclusively linked to heart disease. Rather, it's likely other processes that accompany high carb consumption (insulin response, inflammation, high bp, oxidation of cholesterol - hardening, obesity).

More and more doctors are slowly realizing that low-carb, paleo, wheat-belly (all derivations of the same theme), is the way to go diet wise. It's only taken 40 years.

when you say "low carb" how low are you referring? It's my understanding a balanced, properly proportioned diet is more important than low carbs. but in balance and proper proportions does actually end up being low carbs.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

My dad told me the exact same thing. I don't think I would want to have chickens in my backyard, and I live int he middle of a farm field.

Well they aren't in my backyard either, but I still call them backyard chickens for the urban people who may want them. I live on a little 10ac farm.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

I'm currently on a statin for my cholesterol, does this news mean bacon?

hopefully!

but srsly, I'd certainly look into it all more. Another part of this that is very important for men is the direct link between cholesterol and testosterone. Men need cholesterol.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

85% of serum cholesterol is produced by your liver, primarily in response to carb consumption (white foods: wheat, rice, sugars). Over eating these foods, and being overweight, usually results in higher cholesterol levels. Although there is a genetic component which makes many pre-disposed to high cholesterol.

High cholesterol has never been conclusively linked to heart disease. Rather, it's likely other processes that accompany high carb consumption (insulin response, inflammation, high bp, oxidation of cholesterol - hardening, obesity).

More and more doctors are slowly realizing that low-carb, paleo, wheat-belly (all derivations of the same theme), is the way to go diet wise. It's only taken 40 years.

i've been saying the same thing for years now, but nobody wants to hear it. people have been hard wired thinking fats are bad for you. I am on a high fat diet and my blood tests have only gotten better in that time.

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

I'm currently on a statin for my cholesterol, does this news mean bacon?

bacon doesn't raise cholesterol levels significantly at all, all the sugars that people eat with it does though. I wouldn't load up on store bought stuff though, that shit is full of nitrates which have plenty of links to cancer and other diseases. I just get mine from the butcher instead (which tastes better anyway)

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

My family would be dead if eggs were bad for you. I think we go through minimum of 3 dozen a week between just my husband and 2 of my daughters.

I don't give my chickens hormones or antibiotics (if I can avoid) and in spring/summer their food consists mostly of bugs so more protein than regular caged bird eggs. Winter I buy them supers (gross worm things) to keep up the protein in the eggs.

Everyone should have backyard chickens!

My sitch doesn't allow for that, but I heard a commercial about a local grocer that offers <24 hour fresh eggs. I need to figure out which store that is and give them a whirl. I'm with you, so many delicious ways to cook up eggs!

[hottoddy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

when you say "low carb" how low are you referring? It's my understanding a balanced, properly proportioned diet is more important than low carbs. but in balance and proper proportions does actually end up being low carbs.

Good question, and I think it's different for everyone. My doctor recommends no more than 100g day from complex carbs - veggies, potatoes, brown rice (which is actually a grass) for balance. Atkins and low-carb mantra says 20-30g day if you want to lose weight. That definitely works for me, but it's hard to maintain.

I feel immensely better, and keep my weight down, if I simply avoid wheat in all its forms. That's not easy, but much easier than following something like Atkins. Today's US wheat is really not the same as 50 years ago - it's been hybridized to maximize carbs and overall yields but lower protein. Check out the Wheat Belly book, it does a great job explaining how today's wheat is in everything and really effs with our bodies (insulin, inflammation, gut issues).

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

My sitch doesn't allow for that, but I heard a commercial about a local grocer that offers <24 hour fresh eggs. I need to figure out which store that is and give them a whirl. I'm with you, so many delicious ways to cook up eggs!

Where are you? You can usually find fresh eggs on craigslist in the farm and garden section.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

Good question, and I think it's different for everyone. My doctor recommends no more than 100g day from complex carbs - veggies, potatoes, brown rice (which is actually a grass) for balance. Atkins and low-carb mantra says 20-30g day if you want to lose weight. That definitely works for me, but it's hard to maintain.

I feel immensely better, and keep my weight down, if I simply avoid wheat in all its forms. That's not easy, but much easier than following something like Atkins. Today's US wheat is really not the same as 50 years ago - it's been hybridized to maximize carbs and overall yields but lower protein. Check out the Wheat Belly book, it does a great job explaining how today's wheat is in everything and really effs with our bodies (insulin, inflammation, gut issues).

that makes sense to me, based on my understanding of things. 100g complex carbs = ~400 cals. Depending on body weight, that in the ballpark. I tend to get ~150g carbs down the hatch daily and maintain my bodyweight.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Where are you? You can usually find fresh eggs on craigslist in the farm and garden section.

Socal, LA/OC . never thought to check craigslist for eggs! tht's a damn good idea.

[Rochard]

I don't listen to anything any one tells me at this point. It's all bullshit. I just "try" to eat healthy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't listen to anything any one tells me at this point. It's all bullshit. I just "try" to eat healthy.

just eat proper proportions and you can eat without concern. you're active enough also.

unless you are trying to lose weight. different deal.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crockett

Science is never settled, and no scientist is ever going to say it is. Science is knowledge biased on theories & evidence which are known at the time. Scientist entire job is to prove and disprove theories and evidence which we believe may or may not be true.

That's what science is..

Tell that to the shrieking harpies who routinely claim that climate science is settled. Come on - I dare ya.



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[pornguy]

Cut back Big time on sugars natural or in the bag, Cut back on carbohydrates and Fats and consume plenty of protein, Exercise and be happy.

Fish, Chicken, Eggs, Semi lean beef

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Socal, LA/OC . never thought to check craigslist for eggs! tht's a damn good idea.

Fresh free range chicken eggs

They are half the price where I live on craigslist. 3.00 usually - 4.00 tops.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Tell that to the shrieking harpies who routinely claim that climate science is settled. Come on - I dare ya.



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it's funny, I stayed out of the climate arguments here up until the alarmists started trumpeting that the science is settled. that's some of the most dangerous thinking I've come across.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Fresh free range chicken eggs

They are half the price where I live on craigslist. 3.00 usually - 4.00 tops.

nice, thanks! that price is actually real good here, I just picked up a dozen organic cage-free AA eggs at Von's (safeway) for $5.75

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

nice, thanks! that price is actually real good here, I just picked up a dozen organic cage-free AA eggs at Von's (safeway) for $5.75

Cage-Free
As the term implies, hens laying eggs labeled as "cage-free" are uncaged inside barns, but they generally do not have access to the outdoors. They can engage in many of their natural behaviors such as walking, nesting and spreading their wings. Beak cutting and forced molting through starvation are permitted. There is no mandatory third-party auditing, though producers can choose to get certified according to the standard of one of the organizations below.

You wont have the same protein value with those eggs as you do getting them from a farm who lets their chooks out daily. They also likely have a higher cholesterol from being grain fed rather than eating a more natural diet.

BUT it's better than caged birds for sure.

[dyna mo]

Here's a solid blurb on the importance of the link between testosterone and cholesterol:

Understanding how the two compounds relate to each other is an area of current research with potential implications for maintaining good health.
Two Essential Compounds
Testosterone and cholesterol are both called steroids because they share a similar chemical structure, and both are also important for many bodily functions.

Cholesterol is part of every cell's outer membrane, responsible for its fluid nature and helping determine which molecules can enter the cell. It's also a precursor for the synthesis of many compounds, including testosterone.



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that said, our bodies create plenty of cholesterol. It's my understanding that we don't ever really need to supplement that by eating cholesterol but at the same, the point is, we are fully able to handle cholesterol. in proportion, of course.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Cage-Free
As the term implies, hens laying eggs labeled as "cage-free" are uncaged inside barns, but they generally do not have access to the outdoors. They can engage in many of their natural behaviors such as walking, nesting and spreading their wings. Beak cutting and forced molting through starvation are permitted. There is no mandatory third-party auditing, though producers can choose to get certified according to the standard of one of the organizations below.

You wont have the same protein value with those eggs as you do getting them from a farm who lets their chooks out daily. They also likely have a higher cholesterol from being grain fed rather than eating a more natural diet.

BUT it's better than caged birds for sure.

eek! I can't sit close to the kitchen that is for sure. but at the same time, it's hard to make eating and food changes that still support my lifestyle while not supporting things like you describe. I could dig 10 acres !! wow. that'd be sweet really. cept that roostering at sunrise, I'd have to put the chicken coup on the other side of the lands.!

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's funny, I stayed out of the climate arguments here up until the alarmists started trumpeting that the science is settled. that's some of the most dangerous thinking I've come across.

Exactly.


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[Barry-xlovecam]

I read that most of the persons in that test group were already taking statin type drugs.

A control group of persons not taking statins was not mentioned as testing the effects of of high-cholesterol food consumption.

Enjoy your bacon and eggs ... Or, heart attack, stroke ...

It would be nice if there was some DNA test proving that hypertriglyceridemia was in fact in the individual's case a genetic trait that could be controlled with medication and a reasonable diet.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

My family would be dead if eggs were bad for you. I think we go through minimum of 3 dozen a week between just my husband and 2 of my daughters.

I don't give my chickens hormones or antibiotics (if I can avoid) and in spring/summer their food consists mostly of bugs so more protein than regular caged bird eggs. Winter I buy them supers (gross worm things) to keep up the protein in the eggs.

Everyone should have backyard chickens!

How many do you have? I have seven at the moment. We live within the city limits to.o Urban chickens!

We have done pretty much exactly what you have done. They're fed organic food. And even in winter we're getting 5-7 eggs per day from 7 chickens.

[CaptainHowdy]

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by candyflip

How many do you have? I have seven at the moment. We live within the city limits to.o Urban chickens!

We have done pretty much exactly what you have done. They're fed organic food. And even in winter we're getting 5-7 eggs per day from 7 chickens.

You have officially become my favorite person on here. =) Right now I have 13, I have 15 babies on order for June.

All of the ones in this photo I hatched myself.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Exactly.


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the comparison is uncanny!

?These reversals in the field do make us wonder and scratch our heads,? said David Allison, a public health professor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. ?But in science, change is normal and expected.?

When our view of the cosmos shifted from Ptolemy to Copernicus to Newton and Einstein, Allison said, ?the reaction was not to say, ?Oh my gosh, something is wrong with physics!? We say, ?Oh my gosh, isn?t this cool?? ?

Allison said the problem in nutrition stems from the arrogance that sometimes accompanies dietary advice. A little humility could go a long way.

?Where nutrition has some trouble,? he said, ?is all the confidence and vitriol and moralism that goes along with our recommendations.?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Tell that to the shrieking harpies who routinely claim that climate science is settled. Come on - I dare ya.



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I knew this is where you were trying to lead with this. However, It's not that scientist in general claim the science is settled on global warming. It's that all "reliable" evidence shows us that the globe is warming at a much faster rate than it ever has in the past.

The connecting dots all show that man is the cause of the faster rise in global temperature, due to excessive greenhouse gasses. Scientist pretty much all agree on this however it doesn't mean that maybe they will find a magic unicorn whom is farting out of control causing the extra CO2 gasses..

The problem with you wanting to lead this into your opinion that man has no blame, is the opposition such as yourself has no supporting evidence to shift the blame else where. You guys depend on cherry picked data meant to prove your case vs actual science which takes in the entire picture. Sure you can claim there is a magic unicorn farting out of control, but unless you can prove it, you are just wasting everyone's time.

It's like claiming the Earth is flat yet all evidence shows that it's round. You can claim the Earth is flat all you want, but unless you can back it up with scientific proof, then the rest of the world will just agree that you are wrong..

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crockett

I knew this is where you were trying to lead with this. However, It's not that scientist in general claim the science is settled on global warming. It's that all "reliable" evidence shows us that the globe is warming at a much faster rate than it ever has in the past.

The connecting dots all show that man is the cause of the faster rise in global temperature, due to excessive greenhouse gasses. Scientist pretty much all agree on this however it doesn't mean that maybe they will find a magic unicorn whom is farting out of control causing the extra CO2 gasses...

I had no intention of turning this into yet another climate change debate because that was not the intention of the OP.

Having said that I will say that I know how science works - no explanation from you required. The alarmist side of the climate change debate has not provided "reliable" evidence as you say. They have only provided estimates based on models, that are based on faulty data, that assume CO2 has the effect they think it does. That is not evidence. That is conjecture. It is still entirely possible that they are completely wrong because they have done nothing to prove that they are right other than claim to be right.

Now back to the original topic - more eggs!


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[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by crockett

I've never agreed with it being much of a concern for a normally healthy person. Humans have eaten red meats since we climbed out of the trees. It's the shit which gets pumped into the animals which is the problem, not the cholesterol found in meat & eggs..

I eat eggs just about everyday and my heart is still pumping just fine.. I also eat the fat on steaks..

Damn i would love to eat all the fat/gristle on a rib eye steak...but that article quoted above says don't eat that.