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The truth about HD porn
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it's been said before in other hd debates,and i have to agree with it.
hd is TOO MUCH detail for most porn. you notice a lot of the blemishes, ass zits, stretch marks, yadda yadda, that on normal film you'd totally overlook or not notice at all. Unless theyare shooting a chick who has been makeupped from head to toe, with a great film and lighting crew, they girls can look, well, a little less perfect than most guy's porno fantasy babe. for the most part, when you're jerking off, detail doesn't matter and i doubt muchof anyone actually cares that it is in hd or not, only if the scene turns them on or not. look at the quality of tube videos. choppy low-res videos are doing just fine for millions of masturbators every day... |
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I'd rather watch a well shot, hot scene with a super fine girl at 320 by 240 -- as opposed to a boring scene in HD. Detail is not equal to turn on!!!!!
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but the future is in HD as all new TVs are actually in HD and the stream will go HD , so there will be no escape from it.HDTV and UltraHD TV than, something like (4000x2000)points
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dunno, we shot thousands of scenes in HDV and people seem to like it. at least my clients keep on buying - and if they had no members they probably would be broke by now.
and my screen is 1920x1280 - if i watch a 320x240 video it's like trying to decipher a stamp but i agree that a video with a slutty girl getting fucked hard in 320x240 is hotter than a bored granny in HD
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Agreed, I seriously doubt it that the HD format itself is all that great. I bet ya if you split-tested the HD content vs the same content in regular format you probably wouldn't be able to get any statistical data to point to the HD format making any positive difference.
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of course there's no proof at all if it wouldn't work as well as it does in SD too. but since for our exclusive content it makes no difference in price or workflow i leave it up to our clients to encode it to whatever they think works for them
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I said HD is not necessary years ago. People laughed. Oh well.
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surfers look for it. surfers buy it. that's all that matters. the rest. who cares?
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hd looks great.
but needs to be shot right.
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I betcha anything AlienQ said it before you.
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HD uses too much bandwidth and takes too long to download/buffer. Things may change when isp's allow for bigger gig usage and speeds are faster.
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Pretty much this...
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Someday, there will be no stadard def. What is considered HD now will be standard def, and this argument will be useless. Until they come out with SuperMegaDef 5 years later. By that time, we'll be beating our meat in our own personal Star Trek holodecks.
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HD makes a great selling point, but I don't think it's necessary. Many surfers don't even have an LCD screen, many surfers are still on dial-up. How many HD hours will fit on an average 200gb hard drive? and many people still have computers that won't play them smoothly.
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That's why I stopped watching CBS.
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yeah in reality HD does not matter to viewers, they will watch a cell phone video as long as the chick is hot
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I am going to give every one of you some really good advice
whether you deliver your content in HD or not if you ARENT shooting in HD you will wish you had. Mark my words
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I hire young girls with pretty good skin, so blemishes aren't much of an issue for me. Anyone suggesting that people should not shoot their own content in HD nowadays are foolish. You can always down-res, but you can't up-res later. When you shoot in HDV or HD, if you don't want the wide screen and larger file sizes, you can always center crop the video on capture or in editing if you don't want to deliver it to the end user in 16x9 and deliver it in a lower bitrate to shrink the file size. The same video will look better that way than an equivalent size video that was shot in a standard definition 4x3 frame size to begin with. I don't consider HD video that important of a selling point on it's own, but going forward, you'll have a better quality master and more current technology to re-purpose your content in the future if you do shoot in HD. I know that there is a lot of SD content that sells very well still, and a lot of lame HD content. But so what? Compare apples to apples- same scene, same talent, one shot in HDV or HD and one shot in SD. The former is always going to be superior quality if someone competent filmed it.
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I have my members download it instead of streaming it and in my members areas I tell them that. They love the quality of HD.
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So basically if we don't shoot HD we can shoot uglier girls with skin issues and that seems like somehow a better product to sell your clients?
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Actually we should keep the same quality the tubes have. Stick with that..... Seems like a good idea.....
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just finished the build/launch of eroberlin.com. all HD vids of beautiful euro and russian girls. 3 streaming speeds. if yur chicks are hot, and it plays fast, the HD vids are a pleasure.
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Hello
I think that HD is good to sell and convert, and bad to retain members, if it takes too long to load. Most users does not understand if the video is HD or not. They like to believe that the video is HD, but they prefer a fast loading. At least this is the reality here in Brazil. Here, we have to offer low definition videos as default. High definition videos leased from US based companies takes a long time to load, and it results in higher cancellation rates. So I believe that the video can be HD or not, but it has to deliver a good user experience. I never got complains about the video NOT being HD. But got many complains about the video taking too much time to load. User experience is everything. Alex
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HD can certainly be a blast.
But I haven't thought about seeing the nasty details...
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Long story short.
1. You should be shooting in HD today. 2. You can still deliver, and distribute, in a lower quality format. 3. You will thank someone from GFY later. ![]() |
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Bottomline? Shoot no girls that aren't good enough for HD (hell, it's not like there's not enough good-looking talent on this planet ...) ...
Offer HD videos for the quality lovers with good connection Offer a low-res version of the HD file (e.g. 640x360) for the members with slow connections, bad connections or member's who just want to get off fast without waiting for a big download to finish ... |
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If anyone wants to see true HD streaming contact me!!!!
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The only HD porn I'll watch is solo girl and lesbian stuff. I don't need to see every detail of some dude's ballsack.
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If you produce HD, nothing wrong with that. I would expect it to convert traffic well. Most people can't use it, thus have no reason to visit the site. You ignore a majority market when you only use HD.
Like myself... I don't have time to wait for anything HD to buffer or download. I click straight to the lower quality version. I have a huge 'net connection, I just don't like to wait. In other countries, the extra size / time is a bigger Internet bill. Shooting your content on HD today, means nothing more, than you over paid for something that will be replaced in 5-10 years with new technology along with content that is losing its shelf life (equal to non-hd but quality content) and will soon end up in the 1 cent buys you a box of porn deals. And... the surfer doesn't care as long as the video is high quality and big. That's a the kicker... so unless you have a reason to shoot in HD, like you broadcast to HD TV. You're losing money.
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I love HD. The clarity is amazing if shot right and who cares about a few blemishes and whatnot we are all human right why must everything be so airbrush perfect.
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i think HD is good to offer as an option.
Paying members that like it and that have a connection good enough to stream it will rebill over and over again
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Nothing wrong with options... Statistically that content can't retain more people simply by offering it or it being HD content in general would retain people longer, and it doesn't.
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HD has its place and SHOULD be used. it should be used when shooting the girls that come out near perfect, when the lighting is near perfect, and it should be marked for people to know that it may take a LONG time to download and if they dont have a Great PC then it may play slow..
All photos should be HD, with smaller options, and all video for now, shot in HD and then lowered to an HQ.
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you mean I cant start this paysite with my silent quicktime movies from my olympus?
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just offer more than one bandwidth version. not hard these days - OR IN 5 YEARS. btw what were you doing 5 years ago? tech changes every year. avoiding it is a dumbass answer.
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I stream everything to a 55" Samsung so standard def looks like shit, let alone a 320 x 240 .... Remember not everyone consumes their porn just on their computer monitor. And as it becomes easier and easier to stream to any TV in your house more and more people will start doing it as well. In 5 years I'm sure a much larger percentage than now will be streaming to their larger TVs and HD content will really start winning out...
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Personally, I don't shoot porn. I pay people to do it. So I'm not a pro behind a Camera, thank god.. it's not my job. But what is my job is market research, web development and statistics. Which isn't... 99% of the peoples "jobs" posting about HD content. That doesn't change the fact that porn you shot 5 years ago is on the shelf today. That content then made as much as the HD content today. But the HD content today, costs you more to make, store, process and for your members to use. Point being... your members will watch great quality porn, not shot in HD... but think it's HD, because they can't tell the difference. HD is great for sports...but not when it comes off the Internet.
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