Why is global warming so threatening?

[slapass]

With any research at all, you have to say it is likely happening. then with just a bit more, you will come to the conclusion that is unlikely to change much.

So why all the fuss?

[crockett]

[pornmasta]

because it's written in the agenda

[slapass]

If greenland melted completely we get about a 20 foot rise. It would take about 50 years at worse case scenarios. So....

[slapass]

Originally Posted by crockett

Exactly. 5000 years. Not exactly an OMG! moment here.

[candidpro]

Originally Posted by slapass

With any research at all, you have to say it is likely happening. then with just a bit more, you will come to the conclusion that is unlikely to change much.

So why all the fuss?

big business doesn't want to accept it because it would mean more regulations and that would hurt their bottom line.

it's that simple

[slapass]

Originally Posted by candidpro

big business doesn't want to accept it because it would mean more regulations and that would hurt their bottom line.

it's that simple

Exxon Mobile accepts that it is man-made. It is on their website.

You might be right but I do not understand why I get so much flack about it in the US. No one wants to change but admitting that the human race might suffer in 5000 years from your actions today is hardly a new thought. We consume a lot of stuff, surely any reasoning person has noticed this?

[aka123]

Originally Posted by slapass

Exactly. 5000 years. Not exactly an OMG! moment here.

Water level rise is just one thing, but it is already affecting. Besides, maybe you should concern future generations too, not just your own ass.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by slapass

With any research at all, you have to say it is likely happening. then with just a bit more, you will come to the conclusion that is unlikely to change much.

So why all the fuss?

Researches say it is likely happen if we continue as now. If you haven't been reading news, the fuss is about changing what we do now. And in generally people fuss about bad things, like dying, etc. Are you asking why people fuss about bad things?

In either way, we should either diverse resources to prevent situation worsening or to minimize/ repair the damages/ to adapt.

[EonBlue]

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[aka123]

It is actually the other side that gets the big money from businesses. As well as the politicians. The thing that it is called as fund raising and such, not as bribing, is just semantic.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by aka123

It is actually the other side that gets the big money from businesses. As well as the politicians. The thing that it is called as fund raising and such, not as bribing, is just semantics.

Wrong. Next.


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[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by crockett

On the bright side, at least the collective IQ of the country will rise with Florida gone.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Wrong. Next.

You can't be serious? That "bribing" was the case even before the whole climate change stuff; the current issues were just different.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I like that map :P The real estate here will be worth a lot 5,000 years from now ...

It was -15 F (-26 C ) here at 6 AM so it's hard to convince me that "the end of the world is here now!"

The fear approach is not working in this part of the world. It might be better to point out more immediate social benefits to changes that would be caused by the effects of lowered high carbon footprint use; less pollution (air we can breath now), the economic advantages of the use of recyclable energy for reasons of political and economic stability and cleaner drinking water, etc. .

You will find less resistance to expense when the benefits are pointed out rather than dim and ambiguous data is preached to instill fear.

[CaptainHowdy]

Weather will always be a threat ...

[dyna mo]

because it allow the libtards to keep drinking their water in single-serving plastic bottles whilst buying new cars to help lower the carbon footprint (because the tv tell them to, not because that actually, you know, is green) at the same time pointing their fingers at others for not buying a new car or not hi-5ing them for pointing out how wrong we are.

[sperbonzo]

Fear Mongering.... It's how things get done when you want people to hand over power to you.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by aka123

You can't be serious? That "bribing" was the case even before the whole climate change stuff; the current issues were just different.

Kool-aid. It's not good for you.


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[aka123]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I like that map :P The real estate here will be worth a lot 5,000 years from now ...

It was -15 F (-26 C ) here at 6 AM so it's hard to convince me that "the end of the world is here now!"

The fear approach is not working in this part of the world. It might be better to point out more immediate social benefits to changes that would be caused by the effects of lowered high carbon footprint use; less pollution (air we can breath now), the economic advantages of the use of recyclable energy for reasons of political and economic stability and cleaner drinking water, etc. .

You will find less resistance to expense when the benefits are pointed out rather than dim and ambiguous data is preached to instill fear.

For real; the only ones who talk about the doomsday, are the ones who think this is a hoax, or haven't understood the whole subject. For example a common counter argument: "It isn't going to be the end of the world." is quite silly, as no-one has told it being the end of the world (no-one seriously taken).

There is no fear approach, at least in the way you present it. You are either victim of ignorance or propaganda. Or you news suck in general (which can contribute to both previously mentioned things).

[aka123]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Kool-aid. It's not good for you.


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Thanks for this info.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by slapass

Exactly. 5000 years. Not exactly an OMG! moment here.

[Best-In-BC]

Why ? Likly ? I see why some are successful and some art not. A day or simple video watching and artical reading should be enough information for you to figure it out on your own.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by aka123

For real; the only ones who talk about the doomsday, are the ones who think this is a hoax, or haven't understood the whole subject. For example a common counter argument: "It isn't going to be the end of the world." is quite silly, as no-one has told it being the end of the world (no-one seriously taken).

There is no fear approach, at least in the way you present it. You are either victim of ignorance or propaganda. Or you news suck in general (which can contribute to both previously mentioned things).

There is no argument ...

[Freedom6995]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Fear Mongering.... It's how things get done when you want people to hand over power to you.

Nothing more, nothing less than that.

[Robbie]

I was watching the History Channel and they were showing the time before one of the Ice Ages where the Earth was much warmer than it is now.

They talked about how mankind FLOURISHED in that environment like never before. Plenty of food, no freezing weather, etc, etc
Matter of fact, all mammals flourished.

Then a huge Volcanic eruption happened and (according to scientists), mankind almost went extinct. It sent the Earth into a basic super freeze overnight that lasted for 6 years. The total population of humans was down to 20,000 people.

Scientists think that only the smartest survived and that was the era that our brain capacity as a species rose.

Anyway, the Earth warms and cools constantly throughout time.
And yes...sometimes it's very abrupt.

If the Earth warms as slowly as it is right now...I think it would be a GOOD thing.

One way or another the Earth's climate was NEVER going to remain stable. It's always changing.

The worst possible scenario would be another Ice Age.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by slapass

Exxon Mobile accepts that it is man-made. It is on their website.

You might be right but I do not understand why I get so much flack about it in the US. No one wants to change but admitting that the human race might suffer in 5000 years from your actions today is hardly a new thought. We consume a lot of stuff, surely any reasoning person has noticed this?

Under natural conditions the ice would all melt in 5000 years. That's "global warming" on the Earth's natural timeline. We are however speeding the process up which is what is called made made global warming. It wont take 5k years at the current rate.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

On the bright side, at least the collective IQ of the country will rise with Florida gone.

No it wont because 90% of people in FL are not from FL. All the morons you see on TV came from elsewhere and with no FL they will just be stuck elsewhere..

[Rochard]

Think about this for a moment. World population is exploding. It's just simple math. Ten million people will produce "x" amount of children, but six billion people will produce a lot more babies. This is evident in some countries where population is a huge problem - we are running out of space.

Now our population is expanding and our land will be shrinking....

We are fucked.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

because it allow the libtards to keep drinking their water in single-serving plastic bottles whilst buying new cars to help lower the carbon footprint (because the tv tell them to, not because that actually, you know, is green) at the same time pointing their fingers at others for not buying a new car or not hi-5ing them for pointing out how wrong we are.

No, No, no.

The amount of indifference you have to the issues Dynao is stunning. Not trying to make it personal, but maybe you suffer from some kind of depression. Your general position seems to be, "fuck it, nothing is wrong, so do nothing", or, "fuck it, the world is already fucked, so do nothing".

You run your own business, have computers, run some servers, and solve problems daily I'm sure, right? I have an idea for you: Just for a minute, pretend that all of the climate change alarms coming from the scientists are real, and like they say, the world will be pretty fucked up in about a hundred years. What would have to be done to fix the problem and prevent it from happening?

I'm serious. Put on your science-thinking skullcap, and come up with some ideas, wild or possible, that would solve the problems. Don't throw your hands up and give up - that's just lazy. Really think about it..

Slaps : Global warming is so threatening because climate change is having a real effect on the earth, and its people, TODAY, and the cost of ignoring it is much greater than the cost of doing something about it. All it takes is an increase of only a few degrees of the average temperature of the earth for some real damage to occur, and not just to humans, and not just to beach-front property. To really learn more about it, a good place to start is Climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crockett

Under natural conditions the ice would all melt in 5000 years. That's "global warming" on the Earth's natural timeline. We are however speeding the process up which is what is called made made global warming. It wont take 5k years at the current rate.

Originally Posted by **********

Global warming is so threatening because climate change is having a real effect on the earth, and its people, TODAY, and the cost of ignoring it is much greater than the cost of doing something about it. All it takes is an increase of only a few degrees of the average temperature of the earth for some real damage to occur, and not just to humans, and not just to beach-front property. To really learn more about it, a good place to start is Climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How long will it take?

What is the "natural" rate of warming for Earth? And how much are we speeding it up by?

What temperature is Earth supposed to be?

How high or low is sea level supposed to be and what is the proper volume of ice at the poles?

How much CO2 is too much?

If warming is bad does that mean cooling is good?


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

No, No, no.

The amount of indifference you have to the issues Dynao is stunning. Not trying to make it personal, but maybe you suffer from some kind of depression. Your general position seems to be, "fuck it, nothing is wrong, so do nothing", or, "fuck it, the world is already fucked, so do nothing".

You run your own business, have computers, run some servers, and solve problems daily I'm sure, right? I have an idea for you: Just for a minute, pretend that all of the climate change alarms coming from the scientists are real, and like they say, the world will be pretty fucked up in about a hundred years. What would have to be done to fix the problem and prevent it from happening?

I'm serious. Put on your science-thinking skullcap, and come up with some ideas, wild or possible, that would solve the problems. Don't throw your hands up and give up - that's just lazy. Really think about it..

Slaps : Global warming is so threatening because climate change is having a real effect on the earth, and its people, TODAY, and the cost of ignoring it is much greater than the cost of doing something about it. All it takes is an increase of only a few degrees of the average temperature of the earth for some real damage to occur, and not just to humans, and not just to beach-front property. To really learn more about it, a good place to start is Climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

relax. drink some more carbon green koolaid from your plastic bottle while thinking you are making a difference buying new cars while pointing your finger at others over what may or may not happen 100, 1000, or 5000 years from now

all while skipping over the shit you can make a real difference on NOW and shit you NEVER bring up here.



stop making it about others and realize you are not only part of the problem, but adding to the problem while distracting others from that very problem.

all while thinking you are elite green.

obvious arrogance abounds.

[CDSmith]

Global warming thread #5973.

And for the umptthousandth time I'll say it's an irrelevant empty argument. Not to mention unproductive. Would it kill you to go a little greener, maybe knock off the plastic discardage, walk or bike more, change a few energy-use items around your home regardless of "if global warming exists" or not?


Btw in light of the fact that for the past 2+ weeks it's been in the -40C range here with the the windchill factored in I'm inclined to call it global COLDENING. But do continue with your quaint little argument.

[dyna mo]

About 8.8 million metric tons, or 19.4 billion pounds, of plastic waste is dumped into the oceans annually.

"It's about five plastic grocery bags filled with plastic for every foot of coastline in the world,? said Professor Jenna Jambeck, who led the study, which was published in the Feb. 13 issue of the journal Science.

but hey, changing mother nature on what MAY happen in 1000 years is much more important.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

How long will it take?

What is the "natural" rate of warming for Earth? And how much are we speeding it up by?

What temperature is Earth supposed to be?

How high or low is sea level supposed to be and what is the proper volume of ice at the poles?

How much CO2 is too much?

If warming is bad does that mean cooling is good?


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Why don't you use that brain you claim to own and look up these answers for yourself? ...Oh what's that you say? Oh you really don't care about the answers you just want to argue and call people liberals.. yea I thought so..

See I can predict your thoughts

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why don't you use that brain you claim to own and look up these answers for yourself? ...Oh what's that you say? Oh you really don't care about the answers you just want to argue and call people liberals.. yea I thought so..

See I can predict your thoughts

Perhaps his point is that there are NO REAL answers to those questions being sought.... and yet in the grand scheme of a planet that has been around for many millions of years, these are questions that SHOULD be posed, in order to provide some perspective as to how people should be reacting to this issue.



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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

And for the umptthousandth time I'll say it's an irrelevant empty argument. Not to mention unproductive. Would it kill you to go a little greener, maybe knock off the plastic discardage, walk or bike more, change a few energy-use items around your home regardless of "if global warming exists" or not?

I already do many of those things. And I don't come here to argue if global warming exists or not. I argue over whether warming is a bad thing, if humans are causing it and if CO2 is the main driver of it.

I for one am tired of the climastrologists and their unproven and exaggerated claims. I refuse to be taxed for CO2 and I believe it is a huge waste of time, effort and resources to be focusing on CO2. I would much rather the focus be on real and pressing issues like deforestation, habitat loss, wildlife conservation and real pollution.

As one example, here is what producing palm oil to produce biodiesel to reduce CO2 emissions is getting us:



Lots and lots of homeless and/or dead orangutans.



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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

climastrologists and their unproven and exaggerated claims.


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a local climastrologist making predictions

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why don't you use that brain you claim to own and look up these answers for yourself? ...Oh what's that you say? Oh you really don't care about the answers you just want to argue and call people liberals.. yea I thought so..

See I can predict your thoughts

Whatever you say chief. I asked those questions knowing full well you couldn't answer any of them and I can't look them up myself because nobody has the answers for them.

And I won't call you a liberal because that would be insulting to decent liberals. As your avatar suggests you are nothing but a lousy cartoon copy of the worst type of liberal - arrogant, loud mouthed, rude, self-righteous, irrational, egotistical, pig-headed, mentally deranged, unhinged, etc., etc.

There are plenty of decent liberals out there. You are not one of them.


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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Perhaps his point is that there are NO REAL answers to those questions being sought.... and yet in the grand scheme of a planet that has been around for many millions of years, these are questions that SHOULD be posed, in order to provide some perspective as to how people should be reacting to this issue.
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[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

stop making it about others and realize you are not only part of the problem, but adding to the problem while distracting others from that very problem.

What is the very problem? US folks trashing around? You can't talk about man-made climate change and not to trash at the same time?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

How long will it take?

What is the "natural" rate of warming for Earth? And how much are we speeding it up by?

What temperature is Earth supposed to be?

How high or low is sea level supposed to be and what is the proper volume of ice at the poles?

How much CO2 is too much?

If warming is bad does that mean cooling is good?


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Hi Eon,

You can post plain-english questions like the ones above into Google. Try it out and you'll find lots of information to answer your questions I'm sure.

Your last question, "If warming is bad does that mean cooling is good?" is a good one. If I had to guess I'd say that right now, all life exists on the earth for all kinds of reasons and one of them is the very comfortable average temperature of the earth. IF it gets too warm, the sea rises and weather changes. If it gets too cold, the sea level drops and weather changes again too, affecting who knows what. Too warm or too cold is obviously not ideal. If people can figure out a way to stop the current trend of the warming of the climate, we can keep things in the comfort zone and all life will be able to continue to exist.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

relax. drink some more carbon green koolaid from your plastic bottle

I don't drink water from water bottles at home and almost never buy them when I am out, except when I am at a bar. When I do use bottles I take advantage of the recycle programs.

The website you hot linked the picture from, Two Hands Project, only goes to prove my point even more: Pollution is out of control, and instead of fighting me on it Dynamo, you should stop being an armchair critic and help do something about it.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

while thinking you are making a difference buying new cars while pointing your finger at others over what may or may not happen 100, 1000, or 5000 years from now

I switched my energy requirements from Oil to electricity because here in Quebec, Electricity comes from renewable, sustainable, and lower polluting sources. Why do you want me to keep buying oil?

And just because things will only be a disaster in 100 years from now doesn't mean that you are right to ignore the problem. In fact, you are exactly what the Koch Brothers, a couple of old farts, what you to be. Why do you trust them?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

all while skipping over the shit you can make a real difference on NOW and shit you NEVER bring up here.

Like what? I'm open to your ideas, even if you are closed to mine.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

stop making it about others and realize you are not only part of the problem, but adding to the problem while distracting others from that very problem.

I never make it about others. I don't care what other people drive. I think electric is better than Gas for a lot of people, but not everyone. We'll never be rid of gas and oil. My entire point is that we should not be wasting it. A guy who drives himself to work in a gas car is spending more money, using more energy, and polluting the planet more than he needs to. That is my only point.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

all while thinking you are elite green.

I am not elite green. You seem to be falling back into your old, hateful ways Dynamo, and you are making assumptions and speaking for me. If you have a question, please ask me.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

obvious arrogance abounds.

You are reading things that I am not posting, saying or implying, sir Dyna.

Peace.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

What is the very problem? US folks trashing around? You can't talk about man-made climate change and not to trash at the same time?

certainly you are joking. CO2/greenhouse gas has nothing to do with plastic.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

certainly you are joking. CO2/greenhouse gas has nothing to do with plastic.

I think you didn't get the question. Me ask more simple. What is the deal with that bottle picture?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Why ? Likly ? I see why some are successful and some art not. A day or simple video watching and artical reading should be enough information for you to figure it out on your own.

No, you absolutely can not...

i can selectively go and find evidence for the existence lizard people for both video and articles, can I find out the truth with that alone? Or did i just cherry pick facts to prove a bogus point?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

If you have a question, please ask me.

Ok, here's my question:

why do you post shit like this about me personally:

Originally Posted by **********

The amount of indifference you have to the issues Dynao is stunning. Not trying to make it personal, but maybe you suffer from some kind of depression.

Don't throw your hands up and give up - that's just lazy. Really think about it..
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And then add to that by making wrong generalized personal comments about me claiming I'm falling into some sort of old hateful way, depressed and am lazy and apathetic in another thinly veiled attempt to make it personal?

Originally Posted by **********

You seem to be falling back into your old, hateful ways Dynamo, and you are making assumptions and speaking for me.

Not to mention how many times I've mentioned to you my personal actions and views on my own environment, my local area and what I do about it, yet here you are telling me that I am making assumptions while you wrongly portray my views and more importantly, my actions.


you need to try harder with your trolling. a lot of loose ends in your game.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Perhaps his point is that there are NO REAL answers to those questions being sought.... and yet in the grand scheme of a planet that has been around for many millions of years, these are questions that SHOULD be posed, in order to provide some perspective as to how people should be reacting to this issue.



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Yes there is.. We have shit loads of data gathered from the ice sheets from both poles. It's just certain people choose to pretend the data doesn't exist or that it's somehow questionable. Meanwhile 97% of scientist agree man is speeding up global warming yet we have experts here on GFY whom will say otherwise..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

I think you didn't get the question. Me ask more simple. What is the deal with that bottle picture?

I fully understood the question and answered it.

here, I'll answer it again.

no, you cannot talk about plastic trash pollution/littering and manmad climate change in the conversation. That's the problem. the debate is a debate, about whether or not manmade climate change is real and until the debate is settled, many do not act.

there is no debate re: plastic pollution. it's a real problem and the issue gets lost in the manmade climate change debate, such as how you are thinking the 2 are the same, they are not at all.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I fully understood the question and answered it.

here, I'll answer it again.

no, you cannot talk about plastic trash pollution/littering and manmad climate change in the conversation. That's the problem. the debate is a debate, about whether or not manmade climate change is real and until the debate is settled, many do not act.

there is no debate re: plastic pollution. it's a real problem and the issue gets lost in the manmade climate change debate, such as how you are thinking the 2 are the same, they are not at all.

I haven't said they are the same. You posted some fucking trash pic in this thread, not me. Some "Do not trash." is the kind of stuff that parents teach to children, and at least in kinder garten they teach that. I don't see how talking about climate change contradicts with this. Not trashing is basic behaviour, just like not shitting at the middle of the street.