Tech Cascading billing question

[femdomdestiny]

I am confused how things are working. For example, if I am using my ccbill refferal code, and send a visitor to site where join action is done by epoch, will I get my share? Owner says I will, on ccbill. Is there a way to check this?

thanks

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I am confused how things are working. For example, if I am using my ccbill refferal code, and send a visitor to site where join action is done by epoch, will I get my share? Owner says I will, on ccbill. Is there a way to check this?

thanks

If there is no other tracking software involved, like nats or sliiing, i don't think you will be tracked and credited.... I was informed as following (but one says this and other says that... i wouldn't put my hand into the fire for it): Cascading only works after a denial at biller 1... then sending visitor through cascading-link AFTER DENIAL to secondary biller....
So... no denial = no cascading link and tracking....

It also doesn't make sense... If all money comes in at Epoch... then how should CCBILL pay you? From it's own pockets?
Offering multiple billers in my logic only works if program uses external tracking software and do pay-outs to affiliates themselfs...

[femdomdestiny]

that is precisely why I 've asked for opinion above. I am not sure is is true what they are talking about

[rastan]

If the guy uses CCBill traffic manager then your affiliate will get credit for any sale made on any level of the cascade. If you have no money in your CCBill account, then at some point you're going to have to talk to CCbill and arrange something else.

Your best bet is to keep CCBill at the top of your cascade - at least that way you'll always have enough in the kitty for them to pay your affiliates.

I've had a similar thing to consider, just that I have enough going into CCBill to cover myself so far with the affiliate payouts..... so far!

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

that is precisely why I 've asked for opinion above. I am not sure is is true what they are talking about

I wouldn't burn my hands on it...

In my logic there are only two correct set ups for using multiple billers:

1. Using external tracking software like nats or sliiing for affiliate tracking...
then it doesn't matter what biller a program is using because you simply log in at nats or sliiing- stats and see your stats (of course when that biller is compatible with nats and sliiing). In this set up the program pays out affilates themselfs...

2. Program uses for Example Epoch AND CCbill for handling affiliate-tracking and affiliate pay outs... In this set up program must serve Epoch payform when visitor is coming via epoch-links and serving CCbill payform when visitor was send via ccbill-links...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by rastan

If the guy uses CCBill traffic manager then your affiliate will get credit for any sale made on any level of the cascade. If you have no money in your CCBill account, then at some point you're going to have to talk to CCbill and arrange something else.

Your best bet is to keep CCBill at the top of your cascade - at least that way you'll always have enough in the kitty for them to pay your affiliates.

I've had a similar thing to consider, just that I have enough going into CCBill to cover myself so far with the affiliate payouts..... so far!

I had a discussion about this with CCbill support about two years ago.... they coudn't give me a satifying answer how to work with these dilemma's... I just cancelled my ccbill account again... huge pain in the ass support...

[Struggle4Bucks]

and i remember a reply from epoch on this bord some years ago that cascading is only about sending a denied payment via a cascading link to secondary biller...

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

I had a discussion about this with CCbill support.... they coudn't give me a satifying answer how to work with these dilemmea's... I just cancelled my ccbill account again... huge pain in the ass support...

Not sure was that smart from affiliate partner perspective.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Not sure was that smart from affiliate partner perspective.

I don't know.... I once thought i needed ccbill to get more affiliates... now i hear ccbill programs complaining about getting new affiliates and thinking about switching to Nats in the hopes to find more and new affiliates. Maybe the real conclusion must be that there are hardly any affiliates left... I don't know...

I'm thinking about giving ccbill another shot in the future... maybe... if i have the patience to struggle through their "support" and then use set up 2 as described in above post...

or i will skip it and go directly to using nats or/but preferrably sliiing...
but... i don't have time for such a headache dossier at the moment...

Anyway... if any biller wants to shed his lights on this cascading dilemma as stated in this thread... please do so... till then i'll stick to my conclussions about cascading and define it as working only in case of a DENIED transaction.... and not as a tool to use multiple billers...

[femdomdestiny]

I am confused with that sliing thing. Just wanted to sing up for some sites that I've found there but it is total confusion as I am concerned. Maybe it is new to me but something standing between me and site dosn't look good. There is no good explanation on sliing site so I 've gone away.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by rastan

If the guy uses CCBill traffic manager then your affiliate will get credit for any sale made on any level of the cascade. If you have no money in your CCBill account, then at some point you're going to have to talk to CCbill and arrange something else.

Your best bet is to keep CCBill at the top of your cascade - at least that way you'll always have enough in the kitty for them to pay your affiliates.

I've had a similar thing to consider, just that I have enough going into CCBill to cover myself so far with the affiliate payouts..... so far!

^^

[arock10]

Originally Posted by rastan

If the guy uses CCBill traffic manager then your affiliate will get credit for any sale made on any level of the cascade. If you have no money in your CCBill account, then at some point you're going to have to talk to CCbill and arrange something else.

Your best bet is to keep CCBill at the top of your cascade - at least that way you'll always have enough in the kitty for them to pay your affiliates.

I've had a similar thing to consider, just that I have enough going into CCBill to cover myself so far with the affiliate payouts..... so far!

Hi this is correct
If you use ccbill traffic manager you can use the ccbill affiliate program plus process with ccbill, epoch, and segpay and ccbill still takes care of all the payouts. Personally I stick epoch at the top because I prefer epoch over ccbill but ccbill is still nice enough to take care of the rest

[CHMOD]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I am confused how things are working. For example, if I am using my ccbill refferal code, and send a visitor to site where join action is done by epoch, will I get my share? Owner says I will, on ccbill. Is there a way to check this?

thanks

Let me try to explain you the best as I can.

When a CCBill program uses an Epoch join page, to know if you will get credited, you need to check 3 things:

1- Is it using a CCBill link to redirect you to the Epoch join page?
1- Is it using a Sliiing link to redirect you to the Epoch join page?
1- Is it using a NATS link to redirect you to the Epoch join page?

If one of the answers above is "yes" then you will be credited for your referrals.


# WHO will pay you? #

If a CCBill link is used, then CCBill will pay you for your referrals. There is an agreement between CCBill and Epoch. As Rastan explained, there has to be enough money in the CCBill account.

If a Sliiing link is used, then the webmaster can still use CCBill to pay you OR he can choose to send you the money himself. In 99% of the cases, they choose to have CCBill sending you the money. You can ask directly your sponsor to make sure. Details are anyway available in your Sliiing affiliate panel.

If a NATS link is used, then I *think* that the webmaster himself has to pay you. You would need to verify this info though.

The backdraw using CCBill cascading to Epoch without using Sliiing (as affiliate program enhancer) is that, from an affiliate perspective, it is very difficult to keep track of the actual signups that you referred. If your sponsor uses Sliiing, your referals are clearly indicated in your Sliiing affiliate panel.


I hope this helps.

[CHMOD]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

or i will skip it and go directly to using nats or/but preferrably sliiing...
but... i don't have time for such a headache dossier at the moment...

You are welcome anytime

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by arock10

Hi this is correct
If you use ccbill traffic manager you can use the ccbill affiliate program plus process with ccbill, epoch, and segpay and ccbill still takes care of all the payouts. Personally I stick epoch at the top because I prefer epoch over ccbill but ccbill is still nice enough to take care of the rest

Ok but the question is not if cascade is working or not the question is what is cascading for?
Are we talking about ALL transactions or only the denied transactions?

When i check info about the CCBill traffic manager i read:

"allow you to send consumers to another payment option or processor after the first transaction has been denied. This feature allows you to configure your billing cascade for your different payment options so that you can set up which procssor is your first option, which processor is then your secondary option, and so on. You can send consumers to one of the other biller's join options if a sale is declined. For example, if the use of a credit card was denied via CCbill, you can offer the consumer the ability to join through Epoch."

How i read it cascading is all about denied transactions... so not for use for switching billers for all transactions....

[CHMOD]

It is used for both.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Ok but the question is not if cascade is working or not the question is what is cascading for?
Are we talking about ALL transactions or only the denied transactions?

When i check info about the CCBill traffic manager i read:

"allow you to send consumers to another payment option or processor after the first transaction has been denied. This feature allows you to configure your billing cascade for your different payment options so that you can set up which procssor is your first option, which processor is then your secondary option, and so on. You can send consumers to one of the other biller's join options if a sale is declined. For example, if the use of a credit card was denied via CCbill, you can offer the consumer the ability to join through Epoch."

How i read it cascading is all about denied transactions... so not for use for switching billers for all transactions....

Cascading is for being able to process more joins. Also I like spreading joins around a few billers for the security

[qweqwe]

This is something I have never had a reason to need. Cascading billing sounds like my money going over a waterfall.