What is outside our universe?

[lakerslive]

Some say there are multiverses..but whats on the outisde of the outside of the outside of the outside?

lets say you went to the outside of the outside of the outside. and you see "multiverses".. and what if you went outside of that? theres got to be an outside of an outside always

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

Some say there are multiverses..but whats on the outisde of the outside of the outside of the outside?

lets say you went to the outside of the outside of the outside. and you see "multiverses".. and what if you went outside of that? theres got to be an outside of an outside always

Outside of the outside is everything that is outside of the outside of our imagination...





... i think...

[Markul]

A giant pair of titties. Possibly more than one pair. Maybe even five. Like really big ones!

[Best-In-BC]

nothing, it folds inwards, our universe, and dementions are infinant

[nosey]

[Struggle4Bucks]

Concepts like "inside" and "outside"... terminology... is a good reflexion of the fact that we look at- and describe nature as subjective observers that are limited by... ourselfs...

We will never be able to penetrate the objective "truth" of the universe...
(even "truth" is a subjective concept)

When we describe the world we describe ourselfs... piriod...

[Framar]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

Some say there are multiverses..but whats on the outisde of the outside of the outside of the outside?

lets say you went to the outside of the outside of the outside. and you see "multiverses".. and what if you went outside of that? theres got to be an outside of an outside always

Human beings can not grasp it. Our brain can't understand it because we only think in 3 dimensions.

[420]

If you ball up a sheet of paper what's on the outside?


Maybe it's a cell membrane and/or cell wall. Earth could be an electron that's part of a carbon molecule inside one of god's brain cells.

[dyna mo]

they're firing up the LHC and going to 11 to try and find out this week.........................look for the event horizon where switzerland used to be!

[dyna mo]

I've been following the upgrade to the LHC and this is the first experiment with the new and enhanced LHC and they are going after the higgs boson, doing so will reveal more detail about dark matter and also perhaps another universe.


Next week, the Large Hadron Collider at Cern will be fired up again after a two-year programme of maintenance and upgrading.

When it is, the energy with which it smashes particles will be twice what it was during the LHC's Higgs boson-discovering glory days.


The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.



It is anticipated - hoped, even - that this increased capability might finally reveal the identity of "dark matter" - an invisible but critical entity that makes up about a quarter of the Universe.

BBC News - Dancing in the dark: The search for the 'missing Universe'

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

Shit... i can only rewrite/edit my gfy-posts till 15 minutes after posting...
next week will be toooo late...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Shit... i can only rewrite/edit my gfy-posts till 15 minutes after posting...
next week will be toooo late...

ha, no shit right?


ftr, i would imagine there is absolutely nothing outside the universe.

[420]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

ha, no shit right?


ftr, i would imagine there is absolutely nothing outside the universe.

Does it need to be something in order for the universe to expand into it? It's way beyond my comprehension.



Creating mini black holes sounds intriguing. I'd be interested to know if there is proof of dark matter. But, I'd also be interested to know who wins BBCan.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

Does it need to be something in order for the universe to expand into it? It's way beyond my comprehension.



Creating mini black holes sounds intriguing. I'd be interested to know if there is proof of dark matter. But, I'd also be interested to know who wins BBCan.

i bet it's gonna take a new word or 3. something that expands on what nothing really is. isn't? but we're due for a breakthrough.

+ this recent research that suggests the Universe is in fact infinite is mind blowing. COmbine that with the mathematicians that calculated out the lifespan of life and it's longer than the earth is old.


I'm the same with American Idol.

[CPA-Rush]

dont bother ur self

[420]

Albert was just trolling us?

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

Some say there are multiverses..but whats on the outisde of the outside of the outside of the outside?

lets say you went to the outside of the outside of the outside. and you see "multiverses".. and what if you went outside of that? theres got to be an outside of an outside always

Why can't it just be infinite?

[CPA-Rush]

Originally Posted by 420

Albert was just trolling us?

as for trollinggg..

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I've been following the upgrade to the LHC and this is the first experiment with the new and enhanced LHC and they are going after the higgs boson, doing so will reveal more detail about dark matter and also perhaps another universe.


Next week, the Large Hadron Collider at Cern will be fired up again after a two-year programme of maintenance and upgrading.

When it is, the energy with which it smashes particles will be twice what it was during the LHC's Higgs boson-discovering glory days.


The staggeringly complex LHC ?atom smasher? at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed ? rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.



It is anticipated - hoped, even - that this increased capability might finally reveal the identity of "dark matter" - an invisible but critical entity that makes up about a quarter of the Universe.

BBC News - Dancing in the dark: The search for the 'missing Universe'

The fools at CERN don't know what they're doing!

They double the energy level of the LHC...open a black hole/wormhole - and this dude shows up!

[420]

Originally Posted by CPA-Rush

as for trollinggg..

I'd like a mustache ride.

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Why can't it just be infinite?

That sounds like something a small fish in the middle of the ocean would say. It could be infinite but that would make it the first infinite thing humans have encountered.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The fools at CERN don't know what they're doing!

They double the energy level of the LHC...open a black hole/wormhole - and this dude shows up!

The fools! Hes going to enlarge the black hole until it consumes the entire planet.

[ilnjscb]

Hold on, let me look

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by 420

That sounds like something a small fish in the middle of the ocean would say. It could be infinite but that would make it the first infinite thing humans have encountered.

I am a small fish.

[420]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I am a small fish.

Then it's infinite. Now we can focus on more immediate issues. If we destroy ourselves and our habitat then what's the use of any of our human information?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The fools at CERN don't know what they're doing!

They double the energy level of the LHC...open a black hole/wormhole - and this dude shows up!

that is one shitting eating grin!

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by 420

Then it's infinite. Now we can focus on more immediate issues. If we destroy ourselves and our habitat then what's the use of any of our human information?

I'm trying so hard to be able to answer this. All of my answers are hokey and spiritual and probably ridiculous to most people. Sooooo

What do you think the use of our knowledge is?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by lakerslive

Some say there are multiverses..but whats on the outisde of the outside of the outside of the outside?

lets say you went to the outside of the outside of the outside. and you see "multiverses".. and what if you went outside of that? theres got to be an outside of an outside always

Our universe is expanding into the outerverse at about 74 kilometers per second. It seems logical that what's outside the universe is what will become a part of the universe.

We are made of stardust

Some say we were created by the universe as an attempt to understand itself.

Spending to much time focused on what was, or will be, robs us of the miracle of experiencing what is now.

All of the atoms that your body & mind are composed of, have existed for >10 to the 25th years, the age of the universe is 10 to the 10th years. So what is in our universe, is comprised of atoms older than the universe. We are comprised of the outside of the outside

Everything has a beginning and an end, but fear not, rather find strength in what remains behind

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by 420

If we destroy ourselves and our habitat then what's the use of any of our human information?

If anything...it kept us amused and entertained while collecting it.

But seriously - I'd imagine a large percentage of the sum of all human knowledge to this point is likely stored somewhere deep in a climate-controlled cave behind nuclear blast shields...in the event we fuck up our habitat badly enough that we don't survive. I'm sure someone has prepared for a potential doomsday scenario and has tucked away archives that may outlast us.

[ctggls]

Tons of sales...

[michael.kickass]

Probably a bigger superuniverse or smthg like that.

[dyna mo]

the problem with there being something outside this universe is that leads to what's outside of that, then what's outside that = infinity.

that's a big problem.

[crockett]

I don't see why there "has" to be an out side of the universe. It could just go on forever, but we will never know one way or the other.


I guess you could use a premise of looking at a planet which is surrounded by a solar system, which is surrounded by a galaxy, which is surrounded by a universe to assume perhaps our universe is surrounded by something and there are many more like ours..

However there is probably no way for us to ever prove it, so any theory is just that. a theory which can't be proven. Kinda like the Big Bang theory.. I've never really subscribed to that being the best answer. I understand why it's used as the current way of thinking, but I suspect it's not the end of the argument, but rather a best guess for now.

[pomperipossa]

outside the universe we have the DEEP universe!

[CaptainHowdy]

[420]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I'm trying so hard to be able to answer this. All of my answers are hokey and spiritual and probably ridiculous to most people. Sooooo

What do you think the use of our knowledge is?

Those are my fav. kind of answers.


I had an answer yesterday but squirtit blew my mind with that comment about what was outside is now inside after expansion. If we go extinct or the earth/sun is destroyed then I don't know. I guess on a larger time scale our attempts at preservation are futile.

But, on a somewhat smaller scale, with the earth and sun remaining intact after human extinction; I imagine our preserved documents could be somewhat useful for our predecessors whether they be future earth creatures or space travelers.

Ancient egyptians were here a few thousand years ago. They seemed to understand the preservation of knowledge and ideas. Yet, we don't know everything about them and their technologies.

[Martin]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

Those are my fav. kind of answers.


I had an answer yesterday but squirtit blew my mind with that comment about what was outside is now inside after expansion. If we go extinct or the earth/sun is destroyed then I don't know. I guess on a larger time scale our attempts at preservation are futile.

But, on a somewhat smaller scale, with the earth and sun remaining intact after human extinction; I imagine our preserved documents could be somewhat useful for our predecessors whether they be future earth creatures or space travelers.

Ancient egyptians were here a few thousand years ago. They seemed to understand the preservation of knowledge and ideas. Yet, we don't know everything about them and their technologies.

[420]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I was like awesome I'm going to the theater to see that. Then I saw Sandler and Kevin Jamers are the stars.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

I was like awesome I'm going to the theater to see that. Then I saw Sandler and Kevin Jamers are the stars.

i'm with you, it's starts off really good, then not good at all.

your comment about the historical record reminded me of the clip so i figured wtf.

it's a good premise for a flick though.

[420]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm with you, it's starts off really good, then not good at all.

your comment about the historical record reminded me of the clip so i figured wtf.

it's a good premise for a flick though.

Agreed. I was sold in the first 30 seconds or so until I saw the actors. I'll still watch it but not nearly as excited as I was at first.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by 420

Those are my fav. kind of answers.


I had an answer yesterday but squirtit blew my mind with that comment about what was outside is now inside after expansion. If we go extinct or the earth/sun is destroyed then I don't know. I guess on a larger time scale our attempts at preservation are futile.

But, on a somewhat smaller scale, with the earth and sun remaining intact after human extinction; I imagine our preserved documents could be somewhat useful for our predecessors whether they be future earth creatures or space travelers.

Ancient egyptians were here a few thousand years ago. They seemed to understand the preservation of knowledge and ideas. Yet, we don't know everything about them and their technologies.

Squirt did have some good stardust info and it makes sense, I liked Silent Knights answer too, and I never think more about the logical "scientific" explanation of things, maybe it's beyond my comprehension, and I'm always off in the clouds somewhere.

Nope, you'd never find me sharing my spiritual stuff on here. Not the place for it, for me.

I do like learning from you smart guys though!

[iwantchixx]

There is no "outside". The universe folds unto itself. The size of a spec but also as vast as the universe because of how we perceive it under gravity from within gravity

[420]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Squirt did have some good stardust info and it makes sense, I liked Silent Knights answer too, and I never think more about the logical "scientific" explanation of things, maybe it's beyond my comprehension, and I'm always off in the clouds somewhere.

Nope, you'd never find me sharing my spiritual stuff on here. Not the place for it, for me.

I do like learning from you smart guys though!

Come on. You can say whatever you want here as long as you're prepared to be told in clever and mean ways to go fuck yourself.

I agree SK's comment was likely correct so I worked it into the answer.

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

There is no "outside". The universe folds unto itself. The size of a spec but also as vast as the universe because of how we perceive it under gravity from within gravity

Is there a graphic of how that is thought to look?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Squirt did have some good stardust info and it makes sense, I liked Silent Knights answer too, and I never think more about the logical "scientific" explanation of things, maybe it's beyond my comprehension, and I'm always off in the clouds somewhere.

Nope, you'd never find me sharing my spiritual stuff on here. Not the place for it, for me.

I do like learning from you smart guys though!

i don't know if this makes sense but i find spirituality in trying to understand science.

it's something for me to believe in and it means something to me to try and search for reality, or as close to it as i am capable of achieving.

i couldn't explain it but i find spiritual comfort in that journey.

derp.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

There is no "outside". The universe folds unto itself. The size of a spec but also as vast as the universe because of how we perceive it under gravity from within gravity

gravity! wtf right? i bet we're all going to be blown the fuck away when science really starts to sort out gravity.

[ownedbox]

yep dont bother going outside. we have enough mysteries on earth, like pussies

[420]

Originally Posted by ownedbox

yep dont bother going outside. we have enough mystery on earth, like pussies

They're just slightly different versions of what boys have.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't know if this makes sense but i find spirituality in trying to understand science.

it's something for me to believe in and it means something to me to try and search for reality, or as close to it as i am capable of achieving.

i couldn't explain it but i find spiritual comfort in that journey.

derp.

Spirituality in my mind is a way to understand and connect with your origin. Which is why knowing where everything in the universe originated would help. Once we figure out how it got there we can figure out if there was any reason for it to happen.

The true definition doesn't have to do with religion though. It can refer to any kind of meaningful psychological experience.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

Spirituality in my mind is a way to understand and connect with your origin. Which is why knowing where everything in the universe originated would help. Once we figure out how it got there we can figure out if there was any reason for it to happen.

The true definition doesn't have to do with religion though. It can refer to any kind of meaningful psychological experience.

i see what you are saying. it's all personal belief structure. faith really. faith in science = faith in a higher power. i certainly don't understand all i know about science, but i have faith Einstein was as right as science (and math) allowed him to be at the time.

but he was only as right as his level of understanding allowed him. we're due for another revolutionary breakthrough, the smart people (NOT me) understand a lot more now.

[Rochard]

When I try to think about it.... It boggles my mind. Think about this - you can travel forever and never ever ever find the end. That's fucking mind blowing.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by 420

Spirituality in my mind is a way to understand and connect with your origin. Which is why knowing where everything in the universe originated would help. Once we figure out how it got there we can figure out if there was any reason for it to happen.

The true definition doesn't have to do with religion though. It can refer to any kind of meaningful psychological experience.

Religion has highjacked the concepts of faith & god so that people could be divided into factions & controlled.

Faith is surrendering to an unknown, based on what you know. God is the energy of life that is still present when life ends.

I've felt you spend half your life trying to find out where you came from and the other half preparing to go back.

If you believe in a single creator, then you have to believe that creator was created, and so, and so on, until you reach the inevitable logical conclusion.

[420]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Religion has highjacked the concepts of faith & god so that people could be divided into factions & controlled.

Faith is surrendering to an unknown, based on what you know. God is the energy of life that is still present when life ends.

I've felt you spend half your life trying to find out where you came from and the other half preparing to go back.

If you believe in a single creator, then you have to believe that creator was created, and so, and so on, until you reach the inevitable logical conclusion.

"God is the energy of life that is still present when life ends."
That's why I worship the sun. It created life, or at least made it possible for life to come about on earth.