Trump Now Within 6 Points Of Clinton In National Election

[Robbie]

New poll numbers out. Trump is now not only leading all Republican contenders but is now within 6 points of Clinton nationally.

CNN/ORC Poll: Trump now competitive in general election - CNNPolitics.com

This is awesome! A big "fuck you" from the American people to the media, the political "experts", and the lying politicians.

[j3rkules]

Doesn't matter where Hillary ends up in the polls, because she is going down with her emails. She likely will not get jail time, but she will never make it to the White House.

[dyna mo]

Trump's killing it and i will be bumping my several month old *Hillary is out of the race* thread soon.

[crockett]

Just like McCain was neck and neck and Romney as well..you are deluding yourself if you think Trump will be president.. Sanders has a better chance..

Hillary is just not a good candidate.. I've said this for a long time, but even still Trump won't be our next president.

I realize I'm crushing your dreams but someone has to let you guys down slowly..

[Barry-xlovecam]

Fine: I will move more into REITs and buy Internet Gambling names up on spec.

Only good thing about Trump is his ulterior motives are crystal clear -- his populist mantra is for the chumps ...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Just like McCain was neck and neck and Romney as well..you are deluding yourself if you think Trump will be president.. Sanders has a better chance..

Hillary is just not a good candidate.. I've said this for a long time, but even still Trump won't be our next president.

I realize I'm crushing your dreams but someone has to let you guys down slowly..

Well, so far EVERY prediction you and the political "experts, the Republican party establishment, and the media have made...Trump has "trumped" you.

So your record for predicting this campaign so far is pretty dismal.
Hate to crush your "dreams", but Hillary is probably not gonna make it.

If it ends up Trump VS Biden...it could go either way. But then again, with Trump you never know. He just might beat anybody out there. The guy is catching fire.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Trump's killing it and i will be bumping my several month old *Hillary is out of the race* thread soon.

[dyna mo]

i'd bet plenty of folks like Trump on account of liberals like crockett.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Well, so far EVERY prediction you and the political "experts, the Republican party establishment, and the media have made...Trump has "trumped" you.

So your record for predicting this campaign so far is pretty dismal.
Hate to crush your "dreams", but Hillary is probably not gonna make it.

If it ends up Trump VS Biden...it could go either way. But then again, with Trump you never know. He just might beat anybody out there. The guy is catching fire.

Not true.. I've said since the beginning Trump was just a bunch of hot air and he will only make sure that a Republican doesn't sit in the White House. Republicans do not have the votes. There is zero ways around that. They have alienated themselves from every group of people except dumb white trailer trash and big business supporters.

Trumps only chance was to not act like an idiot and play the middile of the road. Instead he went whacko and played to the fringe..

The only real questions, is if Berine can beat Hillary for the nomination.. Who Republicans choose at this point matters little because there isn't a single one of their candidate which can pull votes from the left.

[nico-t]

please use the term 'libby' for comedic relief

[dyna mo]

i'll also be bumping my democrat will not win the wh in 2016 posts.


you know when the dems had the wh for 3 terms in a row? 175 years ago.

you cannot fight history.


Historic re-election pattern doesn’t favor Democrats in 2016


it's going to be a republican winning in 2016. that's a dyna lock.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by nico-t

please use the term 'libby' for comedic relief

oh yeah huh, fucky fuck fuck libby fuck.

[C H R I S]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not true.. I've said since the beginning Trump was just a bunch of hot air and he will only make sure that a Republican doesn't sit in the White House. Republicans do not have the votes. There is zero ways around that. They have alienated themselves from every group of people except dumb white trailer trash and big business supporters.

Trumps only chance was to not act like an idiot and play the middile of the road. Instead he went whacko and played to the fringe..

The only real questions, is if Berine can beat Hillary for the nomination.. Who Republicans choose at this point matters little because there isn't a single one of their candidate which can pull votes from the left.

Did you just call Robbie trailer trash?

Besides that I agree with you.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

Did you just call Robbie trailer trash?

Besides that I agree with you.

yes, he did and he called everyone with an open mind for the next president trailer trash.

that's liberal tolerance.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not true.. I've said since the beginning Trump was just a bunch of hot air and he will only make sure that a Republican doesn't sit in the White House. Republicans do not have the votes. There is zero ways around that. They have alienated themselves from every group of people except dumb white trailer trash and big business supporters.

Trumps only chance was to not act like an idiot and play the middile of the road. Instead he went whacko and played to the fringe..

The only real questions, is if Berine can beat Hillary for the nomination.. Who Republicans choose at this point matters little because there isn't a single one of their candidate which can pull votes from the left.

Your post is ridiculous.
Trump is gaining with independents as we speak.

Also...what are you talking about playing to the "fringe"? What fringe? You mean people who want jobs?

And the only "real question" isn't whether Sanders can beat Clinton. It's whether or not Biden enters the race.

You don't know much about politics do you crockett?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

Did you just call Robbie trailer trash?

Besides that I agree with you.

Well one of my bands was called "Trailer Park Trash" lol

And using that as a segue: My new band "Block 16" is playing this Saturday at The HideAway Bar here in Vegas! Any of you guys that live in Las Vegas...come on out! Cheap drinks, good food, live rock music and a bunch of porn star girls on hand as well.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Well one of my bands was called "Trailer Park Trash" lol

And using that as a segue: My new band "Block 16" is playing this Saturday at The HideAway Bar here in Vegas! Any of you guys that live in Las Vegas...come on out! Cheap drinks, good food, live rock music and a bunch of porn star girls on hand as well.

Robbie, what rig do you use live? are y'all classic rock? blues rock? heavy metal?

[dyna mo]

speaking of Hillary.

5 mistakes Hillary Clinton made in her latest e-mail press conference - The Washington Post


ahahahahahahahahahhh.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

Did you just call Robbie trailer trash?

Besides that I agree with you.

Robbie is obviously a supporter of big business.. Low taxes.. I have no clue if Robbie makes enough with his sites to actually pay less taxes or not..

Dumb Trailer trash which I refer to are the typical middle class and lower class which support Republicans because they believe they pay less taxes, when they really don't.

The problem with the big business type Republicans, is they are single issue voters.. They are usually greedy white people which only worry about how much taxes they pay. They will ignore all the dumb Relgious bullshit and how bad Republicans are at actually running govt becaus all they care about is their bank account..

We see where that left this country at the end of Bush Jr's second term..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your post is ridiculous.
Trump is gaining with independents as we speak.

Also...what are you talking about playing to the "fringe"? What fringe? You mean people who want jobs?

And the only "real question" isn't whether Sanders can beat Clinton. It's whether or not Biden enters the race.

You don't know much about politics do you crockett?

Independents you speak of are all those Republicans like Vendzilla who were embarrassed to call themselves Republicans after Bush ruined the country and the GOP lost to a black guy twice..

Ie the bulk of "independents" from the last 8 years are just angry Republicans.. But they still vote Republican..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your post is ridiculous.
Trump is gaining with independents as we speak.

Also...what are you talking about playing to the "fringe"? What fringe? You mean people who want jobs?

And the only "real question" isn't whether Sanders can beat Clinton. It's whether or not Biden enters the race.

You don't know much about politics do you crockett?

If you can't listen to Trump speak and think half the shit he says is ridiculous, then you are part of the fringe.. I mean hell, I like Sanders, but he says some things which I think are too far to the left fringe, but fucking A Trump is just ridiculous with half the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

Biden, will not win the election. he is a politition which means well and I think he tries to work for the people, but he's just not a good candidate. He's just like Gore was, a good VP but people likely don't think he's the right person for the Oval Office.

[woj]

Originally Posted by crockett

If you can't listen to Trump speak and think half the shit he says is ridiculous, then you are part of the fringe..

Biden, will not win the election.bhe is a politition which means well and I think he tries to work for the people, but he's just not a good candidate. He's just like Gore was, a good VP but people likely don't think he's the right person for the Oval Office.

can you list a few things that he said you think are ridiculous?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Independents you speak of are all those Republicans like Vendzilla who were embarrassed to call themselves Republicans after Bush ruined the country and the GOP lost to a black guy twice..

Ie the bulk of "independents" from the last 8 years are just angry Republicans.. But they still vote Republican..

It is the independent vote that wins elections. That small percentage of people who don't vote party line. It won the Presidency for Obama. It's decided all presidential elections in the last few decades.

Are you really that politically unsavvy?

"Angry Republicans"? You think that is the independent vote?
You really are out of touch.

[dyna mo]

bernie sanders and his angry democrat fan base

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/59796

[Rochard]

I think it's way too early to be passing judgement about who will be running or who will be in the White House. At one point we thought Hilary was going to be in the White House, then suddenly some unknown senator came out of no where and boom, he took the White House.

My position on Trump hasn't changed. He is a businessman, and he is used to getting his way. He says "I want to build a hotel" and throws enough money at it until it happens. Business is easy compared to government. That doesn't work in government. You say "I want to do X, and then you have another political party going to spend the next two years trying to shoot it down, six groups demanding investigations, dozens of media outlets spreading lies about your project, and somehow you have to convince hundreds of Americans to go along with you.

Trump is saying he is going to build a wall. Great idea, great political platform. However, we currently have a "wall" that is 700 miles long, barely effective, in some places is barely anything more than a barbed wire fence, and Trump is telling us he is going to finish building this wall. It's currently 700 miles long, and a CNN report said it would cost $723 billion dollars to double it from 700 miles to 1400 miles. And it still won't make a difference.

Great. Let's put Trump in office. Let's watch him spend hundreds of billions building a wall that is completely ineffective. That's gonna be fun.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is local politics. The city employees going on strike and not picking up our garbage had much more of an effect on my and my family than anything Obama has done.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by woj

can you list a few things that he said you think are ridiculous?

Who Trump or Sanders?

[woj]

Originally Posted by crockett

Who Trump or Sanders?

Trump...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think it's way too early to be passing judgement about who will be running or who will be in the White House. At one point we thought Hilary was going to be in the White House, then suddenly some unknown senator came out of no where and boom, he took the White House.

My position on Trump hasn't changed. He is a businessman, and he is used to getting his way. He says "I want to build a hotel" and throws enough money at it until it happens. Business is easy compared to government. That doesn't work in government. You say "I want to do X, and then you have another political party going to spend the next two years trying to shoot it down, six groups demanding investigations, dozens of media outlets spreading lies about your project, and somehow you have to convince hundreds of Americans to go along with you.

Trump is saying he is going to build a wall. Great idea, great political platform. However, we currently have a "wall" that is 700 miles long, barely effective, in some places is barely anything more than a barbed wire fence, and Trump is telling us he is going to finish building this wall. It's currently 700 miles long, and a CNN report said it would cost $723 billion dollars to double it from 700 miles to 1400 miles. And it still won't make a difference.

Great. Let's put Trump in office. Let's watch him spend hundreds of billions building a wall that is completely ineffective. That's gonna be fun.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is local politics. The city employees going on strike and not picking up our garbage had much more of an effect on my and my family than anything Obama has done.

i wholeheartedly disagree. i think running big business is much more difficult than being a politician. competition, profits, staying relevant, all without the safety net politicians get.

[Evil Chris]

One way or the other, someone eats crow in here.

[arock10]

[crockett]

Originally Posted by woj

Trump...

Trump is easy...

Let's look at PolitiFact.com for Trump..

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

You will see that he has an absolutely horrible record for stating the truth..

47% of things he says is rated as "False"

21% as outright lies..

He only has a 5% rating for being 100% true..



Now so you don't say it's a "liberal angenda to make him look bad" let's look at Jeb Bush..

Jeb Bush's file | PolitiFact Florida

Jeb Bush has

24% true
4% false
2% lies


Trump just says ridiculous shit to get his uneducated and uninformed fan base to go rah rah..

Like he's gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.. He's gonna bring manufacturing jobs back to America.. Both are total bullshit, but his uninformed fan base eats it up.

[Robbie]

Did you read the things that they are saying Trump "said" that are "false"?

LOL!

Has NOTHING to do with the issues or being President. What a joke.

YOU are the uninformed one crockett. You didn't even know what the independent voter base is. And to you, anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is automatically an "angry Republican".

Your view of people is so narrow that it's almost incredulous to read what you write.

And the ironic part is that you mimic the media and try to say that Trump says "outlandish" things...and at the same time you sit here and look down your nose on everyone and insult half the country PLUS the independents.

The "entertaining" one isn't Trump. It's you.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Like he's gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.. He's gonna bring manufacturing jobs back to America.. Both are total bullshit, but his uninformed fan base eats it up.

And if you weren't so uninformed you would know that Trump laid out EXACTLY how he is going to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

Don't get me wrong. I TOTALLY disagree with the whole "wall" thing.
The only problems we have with the border are caused by our very own "war on drugs" and the govt. constantly feeling the need to try and control people's personal lives and tell them what they can and can't put in their own bodies.

But you are (as always) missing the whole point of Trump. He is literally shaking up the "business as usual" atmosphere of Washington D.C.

And as a supposed "liberal" you should applaud that.

Hell, if Trump was still a Democrat and running...you would be shouting his praises on here and going on about "nutters in the Republican clown car with Fox News and the Koch Brothers".

Yet here is a guy who laughs in the Koch Brothers faces, tells Fox to fuck off and makes THEM bow down, is hated by the people in the "republican clown car", and has no support from the RNC...and yet, because he didn't run as a Democrat you attack anyone who says anything positive about him.

Dynamo hit the nail on the head when he said that he bets a lot of people like Trump because of people like you crockett.

You are like one of those religious nuts who is so desperate to convert people that they end up driving people the other way.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And if you weren't so uninformed you would know that Trump laid out EXACTLY how he is going to get Mexico to pay for a wall.

Don't get me wrong. I TOTALLY disagree with the whole "wall" thing.
The only problems we have with the border are caused by our very own "war on drugs" and the govt. constantly feeling the need to try and control people's personal lives and tell them what they can and can't put in their own bodies.

But you are (as always) missing the whole point of Trump. He is literally shaking up the "business as usual" atmosphere of Washington D.C.

And as a supposed "liberal" you should applaud that.

Hell, if Trump was still a Democrat and running...you would be shouting his praises on here and going on about "nutters in the Republican clown car with Fox News and the Koch Brothers".

Yet here is a guy who laughs in the Koch Brothers faces, tells Fox to fuck off and makes THEM bow down, is hated by the people in the "republican clown car", and has no support from the RNC...and yet, because he didn't run as a Democrat you attack anyone who says anything positive about him.

Dynamo hit the nail on the head when he said that he bets a lot of people like Trump because of people like you crockett.

You are like one of those religious nuts who is so desperate to convert people that they end up driving people the other way.

And Mexico laughed their ass off at Trumps plan to make them pay for a wall...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Did you read the things that they are saying Trump "said" that are "false"?

LOL!

Has NOTHING to do with the issues or being President. What a joke.

YOU are the uninformed one crockett. You didn't even know what the independent voter base is. And to you, anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is automatically an "angry Republican".

Your view of people is so narrow that it's almost incredulous to read what you write.

And the ironic part is that you mimic the media and try to say that Trump says "outlandish" things...and at the same time you sit here and look down your nose on everyone and insult half the country PLUS the independents.

The "entertaining" one isn't Trump. It's you.

Are you fucking kidding? The things he said which are false or lies are almost all about the issues.. There are only a handful which aren't issues which are clear lies to pander to the whackos.. Ie the anti Obama stuff..

It's pretty clear you didn't read through them..

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

Are you fucking kidding? The things he said which are false or lies are almost all about the issues.. There are only a handful which aren't issues which are clear lies to pander to the whackos.. Ie the anti Obama stuff..

It's pretty clear you didn't read through them..

His argument with Megyn Kelly was the first one listed. Really?
It's pretty clear that you don't grasp that the media (including that site) are doing everything they can to take Trump out.

You just don't get it crockett. And it's shit like that that keeps Trump gaining in the polls.

Most people see through what the media is doing. You don't. You're out of touch man.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

And Mexico laughed their ass off at Trumps plan to make them pay for a wall...

Doubt that very, very seriously. He's talking economic hits to Mexico. They will come to the table.

That's why he's able to make deals with the toughest negotiators in the world. While our bureaucrats get circles ran around them at every negotiation.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Are you fucking kidding? The things he said which are false or lies are almost all about the issues.. There are only a handful which aren't issues which are clear lies to pander to the whackos.. Ie the anti Obama stuff..

It's pretty clear you didn't read through them..

plenty of pants on fires on page 2 that are not about "the issues".

[dyna mo]

maybe crockett would like Trump if Trump does what entrenched status quo politicians do- read pre-packaged loads of crap same old old from a teleprompter

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Doubt that very, very seriously. He's talking economic hits to Mexico. They will come to the table.

That's why he's able to make deals with the toughest negotiators in the world. While our bureaucrats get circles ran around them at every negotiation.

Robbie, Trump can make deals as a "business owner" because he's the head Indian and the only Chief on his side of the deal.

When it comes to politics, the president might be called the head chief, but he has hundreds of Indians whom also think the're chief.. Look at the Iran deal for instance..

No matter if you agree or disagree with it, it's very easy to see that if one party decides to undermine the other, then making deals become impossible.


Being a business owner is nothing at all like being the president. As a business owner your word is the word of God when it comes to that business. As a president.. Your word is not the word of God..

Trump has already shown he can't handle not having the final say. Anytime someone has criticized him, he resorts to name calling and childish games. He would make an absolutely horrible president.. He might make an ok dictator, but as a president he will not have a clue what to do.. It's obvious when you see his reactions to people who critique him.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Robbie, Trump can make deals as a "business owner" because he's the head Indian and the only Chief on his side of the deal.

When it comes to politics, the president might be called the head chief, but he has hundreds of Indians whom also think the're chief.. Look at the Iran deal for instance..

No matter if you agree or disagree with it, it's very easy to see that if one party decides to undermine the other, then making deals become impossible.


Being a business owner is nothing at all like being the president. As a business owner your word is the word of God when it comes to that business. As a president.. Your word is not the word of God..

Trump has already shown he can't handle not having the final say. Anytime someone has criticized him, he resorts to name calling and childish games. He would make an absolutely horrible president.. He might make an ok dictator, but as a president he will not have a clue what to do.. It's obvious when you see his reactions to people who critique him.

not quite.

not when he's renogiating billion dollar business arrangements with 100s of banks in bankruptcy. he's hardly "chief" in those deals.

besides, executive order = word of god

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not quite.

not when he's renogiating billion dollar business arrangements with 100s of banks in bankruptcy. he's hardly "chief" in those deals.

besides, executive order = word of god

You are over looking an imporant diffrence. In business everyone at the table is there to make money. Everyone has the same modivator as they wouldn't be at the table to loose money, it's only a negotiation about how much money each party will get.


With polititics there is no universal goal. With politics it's not a everyone wins situation. In today's political climate, if the president is seen to get what he wants then the other side is seen as the looser. If the other side gets what he wants then the president is seen as the looser.

There is no win, win in politics, it's win or loose..no one cares what is benifical for the country or the people.. It's only what is good for the party or the party's biggest donors.. Just because Trump has his own money doesn't change that, as all those guys wearing the same team jersey have to satisfy their money men..

[Sly]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

You are over looking an imporant diffrence. In business everyone at the table is there to make money. Everyone has the same modivator as they wouldn't be at the table to loose money, it's only a negotiation about how much money each party will get.


With polititics there is no universal goal. With politics it's not a everyone wins situation. In today's political climate, if the president is seen to get what he wants then the other side is seen as the looser. If the other side gets what he wants then the president is seen as the looser.

There is no win, win in politics, it's win or loose..no one cares what is benifical for the country or the people.. It's only what is good for the party or the party's biggest donors.. Just because Trump has his own money doesn't change that, as all those guys wearing the same team jersey have to satisfy their money men..

i strongly know that you are underestimating the intense nature of bankrptucy at that level. and it's not win or loose in politics, it's about compromise. it always has been, thats why it's currently stalled, because congress can't compromise- on anything.

same as it is in compromising new deal terms in bankruptcy. you think bankers win when the agree to lose $100 million dollars? that's not a win, that's a compromise.

[djroof]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'll also be bumping my democrat will not win the wh in 2016 posts.


you know when the dems had the wh for 3 terms in a row? 175 years ago.

you cannot fight history.


Historic re-election pattern doesn?t favor Democrats in 2016


it's going to be a republican winning in 2016. that's a dyna lock.

Interesting for betting...

[StinkyPink]

Originally Posted by woj

can you list a few things that he said you think are ridiculous?

That's funny cause I am listening to local radio as I am reading this and the topic of discussion is the ridiculous things Trump has said... and this station tends to lean to the right.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i strongly know that you are underestimating the intense nature of bankrptucy at that level. and it's not win or loose in politics, it's about compromise. it always has been, thats why it's currently stalled, because congress can't compromise- on anything.

same as it is in compromising new deal terms in bankruptcy. you think bankers win when the agree to lose $100 million dollars? that's not a win, that's a compromise.

I was focusing more on the business side of thing in my above commit. I've never done a bankruptcy so I wouldn't know how that worked, but I'd bet that's something Trump's lawyers would be deal with, vs himself. Sure he'd have to ok the deal, but I'd suspect he's nowhere near as involved with that kinda thing vs making an actual big business deal.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i wholeheartedly disagree. i think running big business is much more difficult than being a politician. competition, profits, staying relevant, all without the safety net politicians get.

I had a partnership in a business where my 2 partners had a lot of experience and i had little. When planning, they'd be quick to let me know "you're not really in the xxxxxx industry so you...". Finally, one day I lost my shit and said "look dipshits, i've got a ton more experience than either of you.. why? I've actually ran successful companies. I've actually had 100s of employees. What you fail to understand is that leadership is leadership, management is management, sales is sales, organization is organization, planning is planning, execution is execution, hiring is hiring, accounting is accounting... " and so on.

Politicians make shitty decisions all day long with other peoples lives and money and rarely suffer the consequences for those decisions. A business person has to pay the consequences for every single decision he makes. I'd certainly say the guy managing 100s of businesses and 1000s of people and actually growing and building wealth and staying in the black is infinitely more qualified to manage than a group of people that only know how to lose other peoples money, and then take more from them,.. so they can then lose that as well.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

That's funny cause I am listening to local radio as I am reading this and the topic of discussion is the ridiculous things Trump has said... and this station tends to lean to the right.

Every right-leaning media outlet has been vilifying Trump since he first entered the race. No surprise there at all.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Just like McCain was neck and neck and Romney as well..you are deluding yourself if you think Trump will be president.. Sanders has a better chance..

Hillary is just not a good candidate.. I've said this for a long time, but even still Trump won't be our next president.

I realize I'm crushing your dreams but someone has to let you guys down slowly..

plus neck and neck is much better than lagging by 6 points