Not a Good Day for Kim Dotcom

[Captain Kawaii]

Megaupload streaming service mogul Kim Dotcom has just been slapped with a civil penalty from the US government. The lawsuit will cost him $67 million worth of assets, including cars, property and luxury goods.

The victory by the US court comes as he lost the right to contest the seizure of the assets.

Dotcom, who is wanted in the United States for copyright infringement through the former file-sharing website, told the Herald on Sunday that this is indicative of the ?sad state? of the US justice system.

"By labeling me a fugitive, the US court has allowed the US government to legally steal all of my assets without any trial, without any due process, without any test of the merits,? he said, vowing to appeal the decision, which his legal team says would likely not hold up in New Zealand or Hong Kong courts.

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[kane]

To me this is the biggest part of the story:

"Last month, a computer programmer and former colleague of Dotcom’s, Andrus Nomm, pleaded guilty to charges of internet piracy and struck a deal with US police, under which he agreed to testify against his former colleagues in exchange for reduced jail time."

Supposedly there are emails and other communications between Dotcom and others working for Megaupload where they talk about piracy and how much they are making off of it. If that is the case and this guy testifies against Dotcom he has serious trouble on his hands.

[Biggy]

Sometimes, many times, piracy doesn't pay.

He's going to be the shining example of that, as will many more in our own industry who think it's clever to run a business that is built on piracy.

Just ask the 17 people Metart just sued.

[420]

Originally Posted by Biggy

Sometimes, many times, piracy doesn't pay.

According to the article it seems to have paid him $67 million usd.

[Spunky]

Damn,that's gonna hurt

[brassmonkey]

i like turdles

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by 420

According to the article it seems to have paid him $67 million usd.

It's all good, until it's not all good, like any illegal activity.

I was surprised at this outcome, as surprised I was when Hunter Moore was grovelling for leniency after operating IsAnyoneUp.

What goes around, comes around.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by kane

To me this is the biggest part of the story:

"Last month, a computer programmer and former colleague of Dotcom?s, Andrus Nomm, pleaded guilty to charges of internet piracy and struck a deal with US police, under which he agreed to testify against his former colleagues in exchange for reduced jail time."

Supposedly there are emails and other communications between Dotcom and others working for Megaupload where they talk about piracy and how much they are making off of it. If that is the case and this guy testifies against Dotcom he has serious trouble on his hands.

I agree. If anyone else turns on him it will be so bad.

Lessons for Kim.
1. Don't make enemies out of Jewish people.
2. Don't piss off Hollywood.
3. Don't piss off New York.

Kim's comment, "If I were Iran, I'd build a bomb" probably won't make him any friends either.

The screenwriter, William Goldman wrote some excellent books on the Hollywood business. I read them years ago. Reflecting on his work, and thinking of Kim, I knew Kim was fucked out of the gate. He just didn't know it.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I agree. If anyone else turns on him it will be so bad.

Lessons for Kim.
1. Don't make enemies out of Jewish people.
2. Don't piss off Hollywood.
3. Don't piss off New York.

Kim's comment, "If I were Iran, I'd build a bomb" probably won't make him any friends either.

The screenwriter, William Goldman wrote some excellent books on the Hollywood business. I read them years ago. Reflecting on his work, and thinking of Kim, I knew Kim was fucked out of the gate. He just didn't know it.

I have an easier one:

4. Don't be ignorant. Ignorance is not a defense to the law.

I guess he thought he had a magical legal loophole way to encourage piracy. And guess what, looks like that legal loophole that was the cornerstone of his business looks to be closing, fast. In his case, the fine line between being considered a criminal and a "visionary" is very, very fine.

[munki]

Originally Posted by Biggy

Sometimes, many times, piracy doesn't pay.

He's going to be the shining example of that, as will many more in our own industry who think it's clever to run a business that is built on piracy.

Just ask the 17 people Metart just sued.

:thum bsup

[AdultKing]

With this and the jailing of the RYUShare trio (plus two co-conspiritors), it's been a good week.

[420]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i like turdles

currentlysober you're on the wrong nick! How many people have access to the bm account?

Originally Posted by AdultKing

He could've used the same defense if he had digitally robbed a bank.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Biggy

I have an easier one:

4. Don't be ignorant. Ignorance is not a defense to the law.

I guess he thought he had a magical legal loophole way to encourage piracy. And guess what, looks like that legal loophole that was the cornerstone of his business looks to be closing, fast. In his case, the fine line between being considered a criminal and a "visionary" is very, very fine.

True. They consider themselves heroes and visionaries. Bizarre. Kim liked dancing on achem's razor and achem finally won.

[freecartoonporn]

so is he going do time or not ?

[justis]

one door closes... another opens

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by 420

He could've used the same defense if he had digitally robbed a bank.

I disagree - he has a good point....... its the same basically as the cases against those Poker sites. Whilst he has broken laws clearly, there are legal bounds or should be but the US continues to police the world.

In fact, the case should have been brought in his home country against him.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

I disagree - he has a good point....... its the same basically as the cases against those Poker sites. Whilst he has broken laws clearly, there are legal bounds or should be but the US continues to police the world.

In fact, the case should have been brought in his home country against him.

He doesn't have a good point. Megaupload was very much within US jurisdiction.

1. He used a US domain name .com
2. He used US hosting (Carpathia and Cogent)
3. He transacted funds through the USA
4. He engaged the use of agents inside the USA.

His straw man arguments do not prevail over analysis of them.

[just a punk]

BREAKING: Megaupload programmer Andrus Nomm pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit copyright infringement and was sentenced to 1yr, 1 day.

So the guy got a jail time for coding? How come?

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

So the guy got a jail time for coding? How come?

for not contacting fbi about dot com's plan
i guess.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

1. He used a US domain name .com
2. He used US hosting (Carpathia and Cogent)
3. He transacted funds through the USA
4. He engaged the use of agents inside the USA.

His straw man arguments do not prevail over analysis of them.

(1) Who wont use a dot com? It doesn't make them any more a US entity.

(2) If you dealing in USD, there always trade settlement in the US in one way or another or through an intermediary. There's not always a way to avoid it.

(3) & (4) may be relevant but since I don't know the full facts of the case I guess I can't comment on that but I'm just going on the face of that statement he made. I always though normally it is residency and management being the issues which most determine where a business is actually based and therefore also the jurisdiction.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

for not contacting fbi about dot com's plan
i guess.

Do you mean for not reporting? Are you serious? How can a person be sued for that? Also, how a programer would know about Dot Com's plans?

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Do you mean for not reporting? Are you serious? How can a person be sued for that? Also, how a programer would know about Dot Com's plans?

yes, i mean reporting,
idk much but as above said , Ignorance is not a defense to the law.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

I disagree - he has a good point....... its the same basically as the cases against those Poker sites. Whilst he has broken laws clearly, there are legal bounds or should be but the US continues to police the world.

In fact, the case should have been brought in his home country against him.

You are missing the difference in Poker sites and Megaupload..

Megaupload allowed for theft of products made in the US and owned by companies in the US. Of course the US is going to police that shit because US citizens/businesses are effected.

On the other hand I do not agree at all with US govt going after gambling sites unless they are committing fraud.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

yes, i mean reporting,
idk much but as above said , Ignorance is not a defense to the law.

So the US justice allows to sue people for not reporting?

Originally Posted by crockett

Megaupload allowed for theft of products made in the US and owned by companies in the US. Of course the US is going to police that shit because US citizens/businesses are effected.

When you distribute porn, you are breaking Sharia law. You know that in Iran or Saudi Arabia you'll get a death penalty for that? So the USA can police the World, why Iran can't do the same? Iran gives Canada resident death for porn

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

So the US justice allows to sue people for not reporting?



When you distribute porn, you are breaking Sharia law. You know that in Iran or Saudi Arabia you'll get a death penalty for that? So the USA can police the World, why Iran can't do the same? Iran gives Canada resident death for porn

Distributing porn does steal anything from them. I know you hate the USA but seriously will latch on to anything just to and push your commie shit? Those two things aren't even remotely connected. One deals with theft the other with religious dictatorship.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by crockett

Distributing porn does steal anything from them.

According to Sharia law it's much worse. You'll lose an arm for stealing. For distribution of porn you will lose your head there. Don't you agree its a fair law?

Originally Posted by crockett

I know you hate the USA but seriously will latch on to anything just to and push your commie shit?

I'm not a commie and I don't hate the USA. Are you drunk or high? There is nothing bad about your county in my post above. I just really don't understand how is it possible to jail someone just for not reporting? This sounds completely absurd to me, because according to this law you can sue almost everyone.

[newB]

Originally Posted by 420

currentlysober you're on the wrong nick! How many people have access to the bm account?

It all makes perfect sense now.

[PornDiscounts-V]

With all of his money you would think he'd go to a voice coach.

[sandman!]

not surprised hows his new site doing ?

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

He doesn't have a good point. Megaupload was very much within US jurisdiction.

1. He used a US domain name .com
2. He used US hosting (Carpathia and Cogent)
3. He transacted funds through the USA
4. He engaged the use of agents inside the USA.

His straw man arguments do not prevail over analysis of them.

5. He violated copyrights of US copyrightholders...

[RebelR]