Tehran and world powers reach solutions on Iran nuclear program

[j3rkules]

After marathon negotiations, the United States, Iran and five other world powers announced a deal Thursday outlining limits on Iran's nuclear program so it cannot lead to atomic weapons, directing negotiators toward a comprehensive agreement within three months.

Reading out a joint statement, European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini hailed what she called a "decisive step" after more than a decade of work. Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif followed with the same statement in Farsi. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and the top diplomats of Britain, France and Germany briefly took the stage behind them.

Under the parameters released by the White House on Thursday, Iran has agreed to reduce its nuclear centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear fuel, by two-thirds and to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for 15 years ? a level, Kerry explained in his comments to press, that is of typical of a civilian program but "doesn't begin to approach" the enrichment needed for a weapon.

In return for abiding by these and other limitations, the U.S. and EU will suspend nuclear-related sanctions. But, the document says, "It at any time Iran fails to fulfill its commitments, these sanctions will snap back into place."

Mogherini said the seven nations would now start writing the text of a final accord. She cited several agreed-upon restrictions on Iran's enrichment of material that can be used either for energy production or in nuclear warheads.

Crucially for the Iranians, economic sanctions related to its nuclear programs are to be rolled back after the U.N. nuclear agency confirms compliance.

Zarif told reporters the agreement would show "our program is exclusively peaceful, has always been and always will remain exclusively peaceful," while not hindering the country's pursuit of atomic energy for civilian purposes.

"Our facilities will continue," he said. "We will continue enriching, we will continue research and development." He said a planned heavy water reactor will be "modernized" and that the Iranians would keep their deeply buried underground facility at Fordo.

"We have taken a major step but are still some way away from where we want to be," Zarif said, calling Thursday's preliminary step as a "win-win outcome."

Israeli leaders, deeply concerned about Iran's intentions, were much less positive.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that a final agreement "must significantly roll back Iran's nuclear capabilities and stop its terrorism and aggression."

Mogherini said Iran's heavy water reactor wouldn't produce weapons-grade plutonium and that Fordo wouldn't be a site for enrichment of uranium, which can be used for nuclear weapons.

The officials spoke following weeklong talks that were twice extended past a March 31 deadline for a preliminary deal. Although the U.S. pushed for concrete commitments, the Iranians insisted on a general statement of what had been accomplished. Negotiators worked concurrently on documents describing what needs to be done for the final agreement.

The U.S. and its five partners want to curb Iran's nuclear technologies so it cannot develop weapons. Tehran denies such ambitions but is negotiating because it wants economic sanctions imposed over its nuclear program to be lifted.

Washington, in particular, faces strong domestic pressure. Critics in Congress are threatening to impose new sanctions over what they believe is a bad deal taking shape and the Obama administration needed to make as many details public as possible to sell the merits of its diplomatic effort.

The final breakthrough came after a day after a flurry of overnight sessions between Kerry and Zarif, and meetings involving the six powers.

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[dyna mo]

i don't agree with the terms and hope this agreement does not happen.

[blackmonsters]

[Dirty Dane]

[JJ Gold]

RIP Israel.

I love how these motherfuckers allow nuclear energy in Iran but not California.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

RIP Israel.

I love how these motherfuckers allow nuclear energy in Iran but not California.

no shit right. or how it's OK for Iran to have nukes but china can't have a world bank.

[Rochard]

Um.... They didn't seem to reach any agreement. "directing negotiators toward a comprehensive agreement within three months." Seems to me like they agreed to reach an agreement in three months.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Um.... They didn't seem to reach any agreement. "directing negotiators toward a comprehensive agreement within three months." Seems to me like they agreed to reach an agreement in three months.

they reach a framework agreement, which condenses the primary points into a 2 page document, then the details are worked out and they have until 6.30 to do that. it's mentioned in every article i've read about it.

[bronco67]

Even if this deal ensures Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, it'll never be good enough for the Republicans -- because Obama.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Even if this deal ensures Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, it'll never be good enough for the Republicans -- because Obama.

this deal doesn't come close to ensuring that. BO caved on the most significant of the terms.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

lol 8 char

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Even if this deal ensures Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, it'll never be good enough for the Republicans -- because Obama.

Obama probably thinks he is going to receive another Nobel Peace Prize.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Actions speak louder than words.

An agreement should be enforceable by snap inspections by the gang of P5+1 ensuring that Iran will be limited to civilian use nuclear power.

But if that was the Iranian intent: Russia offered to convert the uranium mined in Iran to nuclear fuel and medical use or research isotopes. The Ayatollah's government refused the offer. This is no enforcement agreement for an agreement to come and this only makes the unthinkable more a possible outcome.

Another Chamberlain Moment ...

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

It is not the first april.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

RIP Israel.

I love how these motherfuckers allow nuclear energy in Iran but not California.

This is an outrage!
How dare they reach a "framework" for a deal with Iran! I, along with 47 red-blooded Senators, and our Party leader, Bebe Netanyahu, had already drawn up plans to attack Iran. Now, what do we do, sit and wait until we can invade another country? How long does POTUS expect us to wait for our next opportunity? This is ruining a war before we can even get it started.
World peace just sucks!
God Bless America!

[dyna mo]

the only good news re: this for regular folk like us is the price of gas is about to drop again!

[sperbonzo]

So then, since are we stopping nuclear power everywhere and pouring billions into green energy... Why does Iran need nuclear power exactly?





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[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So then, since are we stopping nuclear power everywhere and pouring billions into green energy... Why does Iran need nuclear power exactly?





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That was the original argument. Now they are openly pursuing nuclear weapons. Because all the pussies of the world said "well, they just want clean energy".... we are where we are today.

[sandman!]

[crockett]

And now we get to watch Republican heads explode!!!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So then, since are we stopping nuclear power everywhere and pouring billions into green energy... Why does Iran need nuclear power exactly?





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Kinda hard to push that idea when the right wing in this country does everything in it's power to slow green energy growth. If it's not good enough to power America then how are we supposed to convince them it's good enough for them?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Kinda hard to push that idea when the right wing in this country does everything in it's power to slow green energy growth. If it's not good enough to power America then how are we supposed to convince them it's good enough for them?

partisan bullshit aside, there's plenty of sunshine in iran. you're trying to argue the iranians haven't invested in solar because of US republicans.

[MaDalton]

i wish nuclear energy and weapons would have never been invented

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i wish nuclear energy and weapons would have never been invented

Well seems like you have an abnormal dislike for killing people.
Maybe you should get that checked.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

partisan bullshit aside, there's plenty of sunshine in iran. you're trying to argue the iranians haven't invested in solar because of US republicans.

There is plenty of sunshine in FL too but Republicans have been working very hard top stop solar energy here. In fact FL is now the only state in the country to "remove" all tax incentives to put solar on your house. That's thanks to Rick Scott.

As far as Iran.. the point I was making flew right over your head. If we tried to tell Iran that they should seek solar instead of nuclear, all they would have to do is point to the many dumb things the right wing has done like my example of Rick Scott in regard to solar.

I mean if it's not good enough to push in FL of all places how is it good enough for anyone else is all they would have to say..

[dyna mo]

Oh, igot your point. You're not getting mine. Iran investing in solar has nothing to do with USA telling them they should invest in solar. They are more than capable of figuring that our on their own. Instead, they are pushing for nukes.

Either way, it's clear you think more nukes is OK because less nukes would make USA hypocritical. And that's worse.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Oh, igot your point. You're not getting mine. Iran investing in solar has nothing to do with USA telling them they should invest in solar. They are more than capable of figuring that our on their own. Instead, they are pushing for nukes.

Either way, it's clear you think more nukes is OK because less nukes would make USA hypocritical. And that's worse.

I know with out certain why they are pushing for nukes.. The point is as I've stated before that short of going to war and destroying yet another country, is the only way to stop them. Do you plan to soldier up and go shoot some Iranians?

You would have to be a fool to not understand why they want nukes, considering the actions our govt has taken, the Russians have taken as well as the Brits. Not to mention Isreal..

They want nukes to make us back the fuck off and any sensible person should understand why, given the past interactions the west has had with Iran. They have every right in the world to be parinoid specially when they live next door to Iraq and guys like McCain constantly beat the war drums to invade Syria and Iran..

Now getting past that, we have 2 options short of war.. Point our finger at them saying naughty naughty and alienate them, making them even more paranoid or try to work with them diplomatically and stabilize relations..

Neither prevents them from getting nukes if they are really determined but at least the second option puts us in better standing with them and allows UN inspections to see what they are doing.. By far this is the better of the two options..

As far as the solar, I was just trying to make the point that it's a stupid argument to even suggest and the first thing they would do is point at the lack of solar in the US and laugh that idea right off..

Also Iran does have solar power plants.. A quick Google shows they have the largest solar farm in the Middle East and the 8th largest in the world and are expanding..

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

So then, since are we stopping nuclear power everywhere and pouring billions into green energy... Why does Iran need nuclear power exactly?





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You know nuclear power utilities are proliferating throughout the world right? Just some are trying to be the only ones with the weapons.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i wish nuclear energy and weapons would have never been invented

Didn't Einstein say that?

[jackiehst]

Whats wrong if Iran have nukes? IMO nothing.

[bronco67]

From what I've heard so far, it sounds like a good deal. There are people who are pre-programmed to say its bad, no matter what it looks like -- but I don't see how Iran can make a nuclear bomb now. I know there is no final deal yet, but the framework seems pretty positive, and the international community has responded well to the details.

I'm not sure how Netanyahu can say this deal "paves the way" to a nuclear bomb, when the ability to enrich Uranium past 30% will be gone --- and the ARAC water plant is being dismantled, among other things.

Fox News, and the usual suspects on this board will naysay, but that's what they do. Congress will shoot this deal down and bang the war drums, because they're a bunch of salivating idiots with no capacity for reason. They don't like making deals, as evidenced by their complete inability to compromise and govern.

Look at this quote by Tom Cotton, the author of the "letter"...


“There is no nuclear deal or framework with Iran; there is only a list of dangerous U.S. concessions that will put Iran on the path to nuclear weapons.

“I will work with my colleagues in the Senate to protect America from this very dangerous proposal and to stop a nuclear arms race in theworld’s most volatile region.”

--Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark.

This is patently untrue and he's just lying to his base. It doesn't matter what happens with the deal, he's going to go ahead with his ignorant rhetoric. How does stopping this deal make us safer?

[dyna mo]

BO's big deal is creating the environment for a nuclear arms race in the ME on top of making a deal with completely untrusty iran, who has been and continues to be violently anti-American.

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia...an-does-319131


Top Saudi princes have repeatedly said that Riyadh will push for the same nuclear rights world powers agree with Iran in the talks taking place in Lausanne, but have also hinted that if negotiations fail to stop Tehran acquiring nuclear weapons, they will do the same.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The US State Department ought to make a peace at any price deal with North Korea -- Oh wait! We tried that. How did that work out?

Whatever happens, we (the US Department of State) bought it with our own stupidity.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

they reach a framework agreement, which condenses the primary points into a 2 page document, then the details are worked out and they have until 6.30 to do that. it's mentioned in every article i've read about it.

So it's not an agreement, it's an agreement to reach an agreement.

Frankly, that's bullshit. They failed to reach an agreement before the deadline, so all they've done is extend it. This should be pretty simple - carrot and stick. Iran can either have the carrot (yummy!) or the stick (no one likes a beating). We offered them the carrot (you let us inspect you at will and you don't get a beating) and they refused, now give them the stick - shock and awe.

I do believe we need to walk away from the Middle East and just say "fuck you all, you are on your own" and be done with it. But at this point all we've done is beg them for an agreement and then did nothing when they failed to agree to anything.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So it's not an agreement, it's an agreement to reach an agreement.

Frankly, that's bullshit. They failed to reach an agreement before the deadline, so all they've done is extend it. This should be pretty simple - carrot and stick. Iran can either have the carrot (yummy!) or the stick (no one likes a beating). We offered them the carrot (you let us inspect you at will and you don't get a beating) and they refused, now give them the stick - shock and awe.

I do believe we need to walk away from the Middle East and just say "fuck you all, you are on your own" and be done with it. But at this point all we've done is beg them for an agreement and then did nothing when they failed to agree to anything.

i tend to agree with you, Rochard.

[Tom_PM]

Right wing: Iran wants to make a nuclear bomb in order to destroy Israel.
Left wing: There they go again.

[SuckOnThis]

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

like most all memes, this one gets it wrong.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

like most all memes, this one gets it wrong.

What's wrong about this? Let's hear the breakdown from opposites world.

I was looking through the 5 year old 9-11 thread, and you seemed to have common sense back then. What happened? Decided to give being a contrarian a try for a while to see how it fits? Can you tell me the sky isn't really blue as I see it?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

What's wrong about this? Let's hear the breakdown from opposites world.

I was looking through the 5 year old 9-11 thread, and you seemed to have common sense back then. What happened? Decided to give being a contrarian a try for a while to see how it fits? Can you tell me the sky isn't really blue as I see it?

well, first i couldn't give 1 single shit what you think about me and i certainly give even <1 shit about what fucking color you think the sky is.

next. it makes zero sense to point out that fox news in 2015 isn't freaking out over something that happened over 30 years ago, while at the same time claiming the an agreement that hasn't even fucking been signed yet, let alone been implemented somehow means that BO has successfully suspended iran's nuclear weapons program.

and you think that lacks common sense.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by bronco67

What's wrong about this? Let's hear the breakdown from opposites world.

I was looking through the 5 year old 9-11 thread, and you seemed to have common sense back then. What happened? Decided to give being a contrarian a try for a while to see how it fits? Can you tell me the sky isn't really blue as I see it?

As most right wingers he just keeps drifting further and further to the right. I'd swear he was just trolling but who knows it seems to fit him too well.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

As most right wingers he just keeps drifting further and further to the right. I'd swear he was just trolling but who knows it seems to fit him too well.

as you are well aware, i refer to them as republitards, just like i refer to your group as libtards.

well, i am assuming you are aware. seems doubtful though. maybe you have an exhaust leak on the van motor?

[Barry-xlovecam]

http://english.alarabiya.net/article...10/265448.html

Sunday, 10 February 2013
(KSA) 22:01 pm (GMT)
Iranians on revolution day chant ‘death to America’

[Barry-xlovecam]

Why the crisis in Yemen matters to Americans | New York Post

Houthi Shiite Yemeni chant slogans during clashes near the presidential palace in Sanaa, Yemen, January 19th.
Photo: AP
The Houthis are seen as a proxy of Shiite Iran and are allied with former President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who ruled the country for more than three decades before he was ousted in 2012 after Arab Spring protests. While the militants deny any Iran link, their slogan, ?Death to Israel, Death to America!? is a variation of a popular Iranian slogan.
In recent years, Yemeni authorities have seized ships carrying Iranian weapons allegedly destined for the Houthis.

Nuclear power my ass ...