News Hiroshima Remembered (70th Anniv)

[Vendot]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d37_story.html

What these people went through huh?
Time for a melancholy moment.... 200,000 civilians randomly evaporated.

[JuicyBunny]

Just the icing on the cake of 4 years of the US fire bombing old people, women and children.
It was a solemn day here. I want to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki but don't know if I could handle it.

[poncabare]

Thats crazy

[MassMarketing]

Absolutely horrible. It is amazing that they lived to be 80 years old and didn't die of something in their 40s.

[Vendot]

From the above:

"HIROSHIMA, Japan — The crowd sat entranced as 78-year-old Emiko Okada recalled the horrifying events of Aug. 6, 1945, a day that started hot and cloudless. There was the buzz of the plane, the huge flash, the cries for water, the kids like ghosts with skin dangling off them, the people with their guts hanging out."

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Just the icing on the cake of 4 years of the US fire bombing old people, women and children.
It was a solemn day here. I want to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki but don't know if I could handle it.

aggressive bitches get bitchslapped. they'll think 2x before they try to take over the Pacific again.

and don't ever make it out like we just out of the blue flew 10,000 fucking miles to bomb japan for shits and giggles.

[dyna mo]

70 years ago today America halted an aggressive country from their attempt to violently take over the entire Pacific.

congrats USA

[EngineCash]

This is remarkable... Tiny lady survives most horrifying thing ever happen for a so long... Her story mustn't be forgotten...

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Just the icing on the cake of 4 years of the US fire bombing old people, women and children.
It was a solemn day here. I want to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki but don't know if I could handle it.

I went to Hiroshima earlier this year. It's not something I'll soon forget.

[EliteWebmaster]

Back when USA didn't take shit from anyone. Piss us off and we leave your country in a crater. We need to get back to being the alpha male instead of the bitch getting pushed around from shithole third world countries like China

[EddyTheDog]

Just one political miscalculation and that's all of us fried...

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

aggressive bitches get bitchslapped. they'll think 2x before they try to take over the Pacific again.

Maybe the next assault will be your city and they'll say:

"they'll think 2x before they try to take over a muslim country again."

(same shit, different time)

The question is...... will you still feel that it was the right decision to drop the bomb on innocent civilians when a million of your own country people are evaporated? Maybe you're right to say "aggressive bitches get bitch slapped...."

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

Back when USA didn't take shit from anyone. Piss us off and we leave your country in a crater. We need to get back to being the alpha male instead of the bitch getting pushed around from shithole third world countries like China

How, when everyone raises there kids to be bitch sheep.

Or, like in alot of ghettos, not enough.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendot

Maybe the next assault will be your city and they'll say:

"they'll think 2x before they try to take over a muslim country again."

(same shit, different time)

The question is...... will you still feel that it was the right decision to drop the bomb on innocent civilians when a million of your own country people are evaporated? Maybe you're right to say "aggressive bitches get bitch slapped...."

you're making a huge fallacy, you are looking back on history from the view of now, not then.

you do realize there was no such thing as precision bombs in 1941 right? you do realize warfare was carried out on cities across every single battle zone across the entire world in ww2 right?

and most certainly you realize the Japs were the aggressor nation and the atrocities they committed across the Pacific are almost unspeakable right?

and finally, since you celebrate Hiroshima, you must also celebrate Berlin right? 100,000 + civilian Nazis killed in Battle of Berlin. what day was that?

[dyna mo]

Battle of Okinawa (the last stepping stone to the US invasion of mainland Japan)

"
During the 1945 battle, the Japanese Army showed indifference to Okinawans' safety, and its soldiers even used civilians as human shields against the Americans, or just outright murdered them. Japanese military confiscated food from the Okinawans and executed those who hid it, leading to a mass starvation among the population, and forced civilians out of their shelters.

Japanese soldiers also killed about 1,000 people who spoke in the Okinawan language in order to suppress spying. The museum writes that "some were blown apart by [artillery] shells, some finding themselves in a hopeless situation were driven to suicide, some died of starvation, some succumbed to malaria, while others fell victim to the retreating Japanese troops."


and as for all those poor civilians we nuked? heads-up, the jap emperor conscripted a shit ton of them and armed them and instructed them to fight to the death when the horrible Americans get there. 28 million civilians, in fact

"
In April 1945, the Japanese cabinet resolved on reforming Kokumin Giyūtai into civilian militia. In June, the cabinet passed a special conscription law, and named the militia units Volunteer Fighting Corps (国民義勇戦闘隊 Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai?).

The Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai would be organized, if the Allied landing unit close to the Japanese homeland. Governors of Prefectures could conscript all male civilians between the ages of 15 to 60 years, and unmarried females of 17 to 40 years. Commanders were appointed from retired military personnel and civilians with weapons experience.

Combat training sessions were held. But, the Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai was primarily assigned to support tasks such as construction, transportation and rationing.

The Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai was intended as main reserve along with a "second defense line" for Japanese forces to sustain a war of attrition against invading forces. After the Allied invasion, these forces were intended to form resistance or guerilla warfare cells in cities, towns, or mountains.

Strength
Some 28,000,000 men and women were considered "combat capable" by the end of June 1945, yet only about 2,000,000 of them were recruited when the war ended, and most of them did not experience combat due to Japan's surrender before the Allied invasion of the Japanese home islands. The Battle of Okinawa took place before the formation of Volunteer Fighting Corps. At this stage of the war, the lack of modern weaponry and ammunition meant that most were armed with swords or even bamboo spears.


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[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Vendot

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d37_story.html

What these people went through huh?
Time for a melancholy moment.... 200,000 civilians randomly evaporated.

Most of modern Japs think they were nuked by the USSR. For real.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

I went to Hiroshima earlier this year. It's not something I'll soon forget.

I've been there too... a visit to the Peace Memorial and Museum is sobering, and it's interesting to learn of the Japanese view of events. I must admit though, I think the use of nuclear weapons at the end of WWII had more positive than negative consequences.

[patadeperro]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Most of modern Japs think they were nuked by the USSR. For real.

Are you serious? where did you get this from?

[L-Pink]

Japanese din do nufrins .........

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

70 years ago today America halted an aggressive country from their attempt to violently take over the entire Pacific.

congrats USA

You're understanding of the real history behind the war is mind numbingly idiotic.
Japan got in the way of American oil companies by taking territories they planned to seize and use. Japanese were dong nothing differently than American were doing and before them the British.

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Japanese din do nufrins .........

Takes a real man to bomb unarmed civilians with the predecessor to agent orange and then atomic bombs for years after his MILITARY installation has been attacked. Murica! Murica!

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Most of modern Japs think they were nuked by the USSR. For real.

Sorry dipshit. No one thinks that.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Takes a real man to bomb unarmed civilians with the predecessor to agent orange and then atomic bombs for years after his MILITARY installation has been attacked. Murica! Murica!

Don't start a fight then bitch about how it ends.


And BTW, the Japanese are some of the most barbaric assholes the world has ever seen. But you already know that.


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[TimS]

Mistake number one:
The Japanese attacked on Sunday morning. Nine out of every ten crewmen of
those ships were ashore on leave. If those same ships had been lured to sea
and been sunk--we would have lost 38,000 men instead of 3,800.

Mistake number two:
When the Japanese saw all those battleships lined in a row, they got so
carried away sinking those battleships, they never once bombed our dry docks
opposite those ships. If they had destroyed our dry docks, we would have had
to tow every one of those ships to America to be repaired.

As it is now, the ships are in shallow water and can be raised. One tug can
pull them over to the dry docks, and we can have them repaired and at sea by
the time we could have towed them to America . And I already have crews
ashore anxious to man those ships.

Mistake number three:
Every drop of fuel in the Pacific theater of war is in top of the ground
storage tanks five miles away over that hill. One attack plane could have
strafed those tanks and destroyed our fuel supply. That's why I say the
Japanese made three of the biggest mistakes an attack force could make,
or God was taking care of America.

[seeandsee]

collateral victims?

[CDSmith]

Perhaps Hiroshima & Nagasaki had to happen, if for no other reason than to serve as example to the world of what should never happen again. Anyone sane taking a close look at the utter carnage, not to mention the lasting global fallout (no pun intended) spanning the last 80 years, should be able to piece together the notion that no one else need suffer that fate. In other words please, never again.

If there is one 'positive' that can be taken away from it, let it be that.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

You're understanding of the real history behind the war is mind numbingly idiotic.
Japan got in the way of American oil companies by taking territories they planned to seize and use. Japanese were dong nothing differently than American were doing and before them the British.

right, in 1939 US oil companies had explored and planned to pump oil out of the ground 10,000 fucking miles away and ship it 10,000 fucking miles back to USA, and the Japs were all about stopping that?


how fucking stupid.

[Sly]

I was reading about these battles the other day, pretty interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign

Pay attention to the first paragraph and why Japan landed.

We all have a little evil in us.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Perhaps Hiroshima & Nagasaki had to happen, if for no other reason than to serve as example to the world of what should never happen again. Anyone sane taking a close look at the utter carnage, not to mention the lasting global fallout (no pun intended) spanning the last 80 years, should be able to piece together the notion that no one else need suffer that fate. In other words please, never again.

If there is one 'positive' that can be taken away from it, let it be that.

the lesson should be aggression has a consequence. the atomic weapon was invented to quell violent aggression and a hostile takeover attempt of the largest body of water on the planet. no aggressor-no atomic bomb.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TimS

Mistake number one:
The Japanese attacked on Sunday morning. Nine out of every ten crewmen of
those ships were ashore on leave. If those same ships had been lured to sea
and been sunk--we would have lost 38,000 men instead of 3,800.

Mistake number two:
When the Japanese saw all those battleships lined in a row, they got so
carried away sinking those battleships, they never once bombed our dry docks
opposite those ships. If they had destroyed our dry docks, we would have had
to tow every one of those ships to America to be repaired.

As it is now, the ships are in shallow water and can be raised. One tug can
pull them over to the dry docks, and we can have them repaired and at sea by
the time we could have towed them to America . And I already have crews
ashore anxious to man those ships.

Mistake number three:
Every drop of fuel in the Pacific theater of war is in top of the ground
storage tanks five miles away over that hill. One attack plane could have
strafed those tanks and destroyed our fuel supply. That's why I say the
Japanese made three of the biggest mistakes an attack force could make,
or God was taking care of America.

Obviously the entire attack was a huge mistake. It failed to do any significant damage, and in the end nearly led to the destruction of Japan.

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Just the icing on the cake of 4 years of the US fire bombing old people, women and children.

Pearl Harbor 2500 sailors killed, most of them burned alive or drowned. An unprovoked air raid against a country not at war.
You don't expect to walk up on a lion, kick it in it's face and get no reaction!
They started it, the US ended it!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by patadeperro

Are you serious? where did you get this from?

Do the Japanese really think that the USSR landed 2 nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? - Quora

Revising history: USSR bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? - English pravda.ru

Should I post more links or you can use Google by yourself?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Don't start a fight then bitch about how it ends.


And BTW, the Japanese are some of the most barbaric assholes the world has ever seen. But you already know that.

One need only study the Japanese invasion of China, particularly the Nanking Massacre, an event that occured some 4 years before the official start of WWII, to even begin to grasp how true your statement is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre -- pay special attention to the sections on "Massacre contest" and "rape".

Thousands of child rapes, child murders
upwards of 1000 rapes per day
pregnant women raped, their bellies bayonetted

The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that, in a addition to infants and the elderly, 20,000 women were raped. A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process in which soldiers would go from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang raped. The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation or by pentetrating vaginas with bayonets, long sticks of bamboo, or other objects. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

Denial of the massacre and revisionist accounts of the killings have become a staple of Japanese nationalism of course.

The inarguable fact is that thousands of stories, personal accountings and examples, regarding Japanese brutality have come out of the 2nd world war. Thousands. Many have been made into movies, and I'm sure there are many more yet to come.

However, expert historians are still to this day discovering new deaths, rapes, murders, rape & murders, etc, that occured during the Nanking Massacre. The actual deathtoll will probably never be known, but what is now known is that that one single event rivals the Hiroshima deathtoll by itself.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Takes a real man to bomb unarmed civilians with the predecessor to agent orange and then atomic bombs for years after his MILITARY installation has been attacked. Murica! Murica!

Some of the e atrocities the japanese commited in wwII can't even be put into words.

You fuck with the bull you get the horns.

[hottoddy]

Just as many, if not more, were killed in conventional bombing (Tokyo raids alone ~200K). Perhaps we should have continued this policy to silence the future atomic crybabies? Far more civilians (millions) would have died if the US invaded. Japan had a chance to capitulate after Hiroshima. If it weren't for Hirohito, the Japanese military would have pushed the war even after Nagasaki. War sucks, and Japan was extremely brutal in its conquests. Remember, they believed surrender was dishonorable under any circumstances.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

One need only study the Japanese invasion of China, particularly the Nanking Massacre, an event that occured some 4 years before the official start of WWII, to even begin to grasp how true your statement is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre -- pay special attention to the sections on "Massacre contest" and "rape".

Thousands of child rapes, child murders
upwards of 1000 rapes per day
pregnant women raped, their bellies bayonetted

Yep, their soldiers are animals and they have commuted even more war crimes than the US soldiers in Vietnam, but it still was not a reason to drop nukes to civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The real men don't fight against women and children. Only cowards do that (Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or My Lai - doesn't matter)

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yep, their soldiers are animals and they have commuted even more war crimes than the US soldiers in Vietnam, but it still was not a reason to drop nukes to civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The real men don't fight against women and children. Only cowards do that (Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or My Lai - doesn't matter)

I never said it was a reason to drop nukes on civilians. In fact no one in the history of "ever" ever said this. Mine was a supplementary reply to L-Pink's comment on how barbaric the Japanese were, which was in response to someone else's comment. Try to keep up, maybe read a little.

And citing atrocities by others is no argument, in fact it's both infantile and stupid, as again nowhere did I say Japan was the ONLY army to ever commit such acts.

People like you conveniently forget that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both highly industrialized cities, supplying much of Japan's war machine. In fact there were many reasons why those cities were chosen, but the argument of "real men don't...." is again both infantile and stupid. It's funny that throughout history countries like Germany, Japan, Serbia, Russia, and others, have made the decision to start a war, yet when the other side comes back at them with a hard-hitting or otherwise utterly devastating response they/you cry foul.

Perhaps the leaders of countries like that should consider their precious so-called innocent civilians before starting a war that will end up killing millions? Just a thought.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yep, their soldiers are animals and they have commuted even more war crimes than the US soldiers in Vietnam, but it still was not a reason to drop nukes to civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The real men don't fight against women and children. Only cowards do that (Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or My Lai - doesn't matter)

on the night of 21–22 July 1941, Soviet Naval Aviation launched a series of seven raids against Germany, primarily Berlin, between the night of 7–8 August and 3–4 September. These attacks were undertaken by between four and fifteen aircraft—beginning on 11 August the new Tupolev TB-7—from the island of Saaremaa, base of the 1st Torpedo Air Regiment. (At least one raid of the 81st Air Division took off from Pushkin.)

Besides thirty tonnes of bombs, they also dropped leaflets with Joseph Stalin's defiant speech of 3 July. The Soviets sent a total of 549 long-range bombers over German territory in all of 1941.

In March 1942 the strategic bombing arm of the Soviet Union was reorganized as the Long Range Air Force (ADD). It raided Berlin from 26–29 August and again on the night of 9–10 September with 212 planes.

It raided Helsinki for the first time on 24 August, Budapest on 4–5 and 9–10 September and Bucharest on 13–14 September.

The German-occupied Polish cities of Kraków and Warsaw were not exempt, but the bombers concentrated primarily on military targets.

There were 1,114 sorties over Germany in 1942. In March 1943 there was a strategic shift: in preparation for the Kursk Offensive, the bombers were directed against the German railroads behind the front.

In April the Long Range Air Force expanded to eight air corps and eleven independent divisions containing 700 planes.

After the Kursk preparations, the Soviets turned their attention to administrative and industrial targets in East Prussia in April. With 920 aircraft taking part, they dropped 700 tonnes of bombs there.

The largest Soviet bomb of the war, an 11,000-pound weapon, was dropped on Königsberg during one of these raids.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yep, their soldiers are animals and they have commuted even more war crimes than the US soldiers in Vietnam, but it still was not a reason to drop nukes to civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The real men don't fight against women and children. Only cowards do that (Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or My Lai - doesn't matter)

Oh fuck that. Look how Russian soldiers acted at the end of the war.

The only fact that matters is WINNING with as few losses on your side as possible. In the case of Japan that meant US soldiers not having to take every square inch of Japan one person at a time as that country was prepared to fight or commit suicide down to the last person.

Dropping the 2 atomic bombs saved many many US lives and compared to a ground war it also saved many Japanese lives as well. The entire country of Japan would have fought down to the last person just like on the islands US troops had to previously take.

Imagine that slaughter ........ No one surrendering. Every person either shot, or committing suicide. In fact even after the bombs fell Japan'n military still didn't want to surrender.
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[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Oh fuck that. Look how Russian soldiers acted at the end of the war.

Pfff how? Any images like this? No cameras? The films have ended or what? You can tell us your great sci-fi stories about that but what's about any real evidence? Hollywood movies only? Oh, you are so shabby clown

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Pfff how? Any images like this? No cameras? The films have ended or what? You can tell us your great sci-fi stories about that but what's about any real evidence? Hollywood movies only? Oh, you are so shabby clown

You really are a brain washed idiot. What does that have to do with my statement of how Russian soldiers acted at the end of the war?

But on the bright side, the war got your ancestors off a collective farm.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You really are a brain washed idiot.

I don'rt care what a stupid floridian redneck thinks about me. There are facts (pictures and videos). Everybody can see photos of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and My Lai where the "brave" US soldiers raped and killed women with little children. If you can provide a proof on something similar committed by the Red Army during WWII or after it - go ahead! Post the photos here. If you can't just shut up, clown.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I don'rt care what a stupid floridian redneck thinks about me. There are facts (pictures and videos). Everybody can see photos of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and My Lai where the US "brave" soldiers raped and killed women and little children. If you can provide something similar done by the Red Army during WWII or after it - go ahead (post the photos here). If you can't just shut up, clown.

It's documented how your soldiers acted in Germany. Look it up yourself. I have some pool time left today.

[dyna mo]

why even bother L-pink.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's documented how your soldiers acted in Germany.

Any images? Any videos? Why your cruelty in Germany, Japan and Vietnam is filmed on camera and why there is nothing about the Red Army? You say "documented"? I can show you 1000's of pictures that the US army did to civilians, but you can't show me at least one with Red Army involved. You can't? Really? No single image? Fuck you then, clown. "Documented" блять.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why even bother L-pink.

I keep forgetting I'm arguing with someone a generation or two off a collective farm where his starving peasant grandparents ate boot leather and tree bark soup, drank themselves blind and had smelly unwashed sex on a pile of state owned straw.


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I keep forgetting I'm arguing with someone a generation or two off a collective farm where his peasant grandparents ate boot leather soup, drank themselves blind and had smelly unwashed sex on a pile of state owned straw.


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i got lucky, he put me on ignore. just like he's ignoring the documented atrocities committed by the red army. they are unspeakable and certainly posting pictures of them here would be grounds for banning.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I keep forgetting I'm arguing with someone

A floridian redneck tries to arguing me w/o any real evidence (a picture of a video)? Are you really that dumb, clown? Everybody can Google for the US rape and civilian murder, but there is no such a media about Red Army. Why? Care to explain, clown?

[CDSmith]

Our friend CyberSEO is fond of link-bombing everyone to support his arguments, which are invariably always anti-US or at very least anti-west. Here's a few that might be of use to here, to those fond of asking "why?" regarding the nuking of Japan to end the war, and why specifically those cities were chosen....

The Selection of the Target | The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Historical Documents | atomicarchive.com

Description of the Cities Before the Bombings | The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Historical Documents | atomicarchive.com

Particularly: Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops.

And: Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The narrow long strip attacked was of particular importance because of its industries.


And with regard to their civilian populations there is a quote taken directly from a Japanese report; "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."

To quote another old saying, "Mess with the bull, get the horns." Japan may be among those who top the list in all of history as learning the meaning of that saying in it's most extreme sense.

DynaMo is right. The other important lesson to be had here really is that starting something as big as Japan did can have immeasurably higher and long lasting consequences. Any world leaders in future looking to "start shit" need only look to Hiroshima & Nagasaki for all the reference they need. And here's hoping the conclusion they draw from it continues to be "Best not."

[TeenCat]

boooooommmmmmmmmm