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Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 05:42 PM

Hey everyone! Remember back in the day where we solved each others tech problems, coded together, networked, did case studies and shared data, etc? Nowadays it's just bullshit, news and adult related shit that webmasters don't benefit from..

Here's something random to start:

1) Everyone complaining about tubes, notice how shitty the videos still are and full of ads and slow. Make a video site like a tube, but more high quality thumbs and videos like Beeg. You don't even need to add to many per day to be effective. And keep in mind mobile is important these days and 4k is coming, which is something that I'm sure tubes are going to have a hard time promoting with bandwidth..

2) Make "blogs" in a paysite preview style, if done right you can convert well. One that I made is Danejoneshd.com (Which Mindgeek sadly owns now and I don't think have touched it.. :/ ) and has made hundreds of sales by itself with no paid traffic or blackhat.

Your turn, GFY is beginning to suck, prove me wrong.

naughty1 · 05-17-2015, 06:39 PM

100% agree if I wanted Cop/shooting/When I took a shit/how my shit looked News I read Yahoo or some other . Forum used to be decent people helping each other .

mikesouth · 05-17-2015, 06:44 PM

I would say the mix here is about right for every business thread represents the percentage of people here who are actually in the business...

directfiesta · 05-17-2015, 06:46 PM

Dec. 2011

The Porn Nerd · 05-17-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Danejoneshd.com (Which Mindgeek sadly owns now and I don't think have touched it..

Kind of messed up now with tons of pop-ups.

But you are right man. I post biz threads all the time and while I appreciate those who take the time to post in them it's a tiny fraction of how it used to be when I first joined six years ago.

So here's one: tubes are now collecting all the videos from Content Partners into Channels. I think having every single video you ever upload in one convenient place is killing sales. At least when they had to do searches a video or two would pop up and you could help influence the results by the keywords/titles you chose. Now? Everything in one place. How is this helping paysite sales? And how can we change this? Delete channels?

brassmonkey · 05-17-2015, 06:57 PM

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-tutorial.html

where's yours??? im making more

tumblr i think is next

oppoten · 05-17-2015, 07:03 PM

Nice thread

2MuchMark · 05-17-2015, 07:33 PM

Finally! Good idea Colmike7.

plaster · 05-17-2015, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

So here's one: tubes are now collecting all the videos from Content Partners into Channels. I think having every single video you ever upload in one convenient place is killing sales. At least when they had to do searches a video or two would pop up and you could help influence the results by the keywords/titles you chose. Now? Everything in one place. How is this helping paysite sales? And how can we change this? Delete channels?

Only thing you can do is up production and let them do as they wish. If you use the tubes for exposure... ya need to be exposing a few times per day. Can't have it both ways... submit to a tube AND not saturate your content.

XSAXS · 05-17-2015, 08:51 PM

Couldn't agree more, Colmike7. Well said.

I rarely come here anymore because it's always just a huge waste of time.

Would LOVE to see the focus shift away from bullshit and back to business.

.....oh and GFY isn't "beginning to suck." It has sucked for a long, long time.

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Dec. 2011

I've been around since a few years before that. 2011 was way better than now, anyways..

brassmonkey · 05-17-2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Dec. 2011

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-tutorial.html

where's yours??? im making more

tumblr i think is next

Fine, I'll make a tutorial. Any requests?

Good info

L-Pink · 05-17-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Fine, I'll make a tutorial. Any requests?

Good info

Making money from dating sites.

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Making money from dating sites.

And cams ;)
For those you have to think like a marketer, though, which many affiliates don't..

jk, all affiliate marketing is marketing..

Ugh sorry I'm high and read it wrong.. I'll get some dating info up soon. Promoting AFF while highlighting their IM works well, if you don't mind promoting Medley...

druid66 · 05-17-2015, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7

2) Make "blogs" in a paysite preview style, if done right you can convert well.

hey man,
could you tell more about it, give some example?
i'm going to try to promote sponsor who is not giving any tools but his site is great and i have domain with ready blog for it, gonna grab whatever i could from his paysite what is outside (some free photos of girls, thumbs stuff like this.. but there's not much) so your "2)" got my attention ;)

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by druid66

hey man,
could you tell more about it, give some example?
i'm going to try to promote sponsor who is not giving any tools but his site is great and i have domain with ready blog for it, gonna grab whatever i could from his paysite what is outside (some free photos of girls, thumbs stuff like this.. but there's not much) so your "2)" got my attention ;)

Well.. I might not want to get into that in too much detail publicly, I make decent doing that but what I already said should be a good hint.
Use common sense, though. One example is to use a good WP theme that looks very similar to the tour or paysite that you're promoting. Then do marketing things like test and scale up, use "action colors", don't give away too much in a way to make the surfer want more, etc.

Some sponsors don't like people using paysiteKW.com or paysite.tld, though, so I'd recommend asking first..

druid66 · 05-17-2015, 11:10 PM

understood, thanks.

Struggle4Bucks · 05-17-2015, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Kind of messed up now with tons of pop-ups.

But you are right man. I post biz threads all the time and while I appreciate those who take the time to post in them it's a tiny fraction of how it used to be when I first joined six years ago.

So here's one: tubes are now collecting all the videos from Content Partners into Channels. I think having every single video you ever upload in one convenient place is killing sales. At least when they had to do searches a video or two would pop up and you could help influence the results by the keywords/titles you chose. Now? Everything in one place. How is this helping paysite sales? And how can we change this? Delete channels?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

So here's one: tubes are now collecting all the videos from Content Partners into Channels. I think having every single video you ever upload in one convenient place is killing sales. At least when they had to do searches a video or two would pop up and you could help influence the results by the keywords/titles you chose. Now? Everything in one place. How is this helping paysite sales? And how can we change this? Delete channels?

This is what i said 2 weeks ago in a thread.... channels are killing sales.... This claim of mine was somehow proven to me a few days after i wrote it here on gfy. I had a cancelation of a membership. Same day i had a friend request on Xhamster. The username of the xhamster-user sounded familiar. I copy-pasted that username in my paysite database and it popped up and it was the user who canceled his membership earlier that day. So... he just replaced a membership at my paysite for a XHamster-friendship... and now he has all (shorter) videos in one place: my tube channel! Let's think about how to adapt...

adultchatpay · 05-17-2015, 11:26 PM

Those who post news thread on a regular basis will get mad about this thread. Lol

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by adultchatpay

Those who post news thread on a regular basis will get mad about this thread. Lol

They're already crying about my join date..

Colmike9 · 05-17-2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

This is what i said 2 weeks ago in a thread.... channels are killing sales.... This claim of mine was somehow proven to me a few days after i wrote it here on gfy. I had a cancelation of a membership. Same day i had a friend request on Xhamster. The username of the xhamster-user sounded familiar. I copy-pasted that username in my paysite database and it popped up and it was the user who canceled his membership earlier that day. So... he just replaced a membership at my paysite for a XHamster-friendship... and now he has all (shorter) videos in one place: my tube channel! Let's think about how to adapt...

Yeah, those channels are basically replacing paysites with free "mini paysites" at the tubes. Even if they're lower quality, shorter, cumshot cut out, etc. the average surfer won't know the difference since all of a site that they enjoy all together is enough for them to cum and leave unless the surfer is really into cumshots or super high quality streams/downloads..

So... Paysite owners have to get together and take down their videos/channels and at first find alternate ways to make sales and will be very glad they did in the long run if enough companies do it.

plaster · 05-17-2015, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

This is what i said 2 weeks ago in a thread.... channels are killing sales.... This claim of mine was somehow proven to me a few days after i wrote it here on gfy. I had a cancelation of a membership. Same day i had a friend request on Xhamster. The username of the xhamster-user sounded familiar. I copy-pasted that username in my paysite database and it popped up and it was the user who canceled his membership earlier that day. So... he just replaced a membership at my paysite for a XHamster-friendship... and now he has all (shorter) videos in one place: my tube channel! Let's think about how to adapt...

You serious? You get that few sales you can actually remember a sale?

Hommie... go get your fucking sales! I mean it... stop bitching and go get those fucking sales. It should be 50 sales per day is what you want.

Struggle4Bucks · 05-18-2015, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

You serious? You get that few sales you can actually remember a sale?

Hommie... go get your fucking sales! I mean it... stop bitching and go get those fucking sales. It should be 50 sales per day is what you want.

Don't underestimate my memory and mental abilities you "9 post cunt"...

... now go play somewhere else...

... and i was referring to remembering a cancelation... not a sale... Those numbers fortunately are not the same...

plaster · 05-18-2015, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Don't underestimate my memory and mental abilities you "9 post cunt"...

... now go play somewhere else...

... and i was referring to remembering a cancelation... not a sale... Those numbers fortunately are not the same...

homie... work on more sales. anything else is just wasted time. I got 45 sales the past day... I am working on them. Try it harder and it may work out better for you

Struggle4Bucks · 05-18-2015, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

homie... work on more sales. anything else is just wasted time. I got 45 sales the past day... I am working on them. Try it harder and it may work out better for you

I'm in the paysite business since 2008... you don't have to tell me to "fucking go after sales"

Did you read what I wrote? We were talking about a possible sales killer: channels. Not about complaining about sales in general or "not trying hard enough" or how things that are not to complain about could work out better for me....

aka123 · 05-18-2015, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-tutorial.html

where's yours??? im making more

tumblr i think is next

So, how this automated stuff works "not getting banned" wise? Especially this particular program? Some statistics about this?

And let's assume that the banning matters, not just being a lost of another social media spamming account, and you make ten more to replace that banned one.

2MuchMark · 05-18-2015, 07:44 AM

Business question:

Does uploading content to tube sites actually result in traffic to cam sites?

I've been completely turned-off to advertising on tube sites. When I see tube sites, I see the content surrounded by other ads that are unrelated to the content, endless, endless fucking pop-up ads, and zero links to the source of that content.

Another reason I was turned off of tube sites was a few years ago at Xbiz in Miami, someone gave a seminar which was called "How to make money in tube sites", but turned out to be just a sales pitch for that tube site, and that even had copyright content in its screenshots it was showing during the "seminar". The host of the seminar said lots of ridiculous things, one of which was "the content you upload should be at least 15 minutes long". Totally ridiculous to me.

Anyway, if you are advertising on Tube sites I would love to hear about the success or failure you have had with them, who you recommend if any, etc.

brassmonkey · 05-18-2015, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

So, how this automated stuff works "not getting banned" wise? Especially this particular program? Some statistics about this?

And let's assume that the banning matters, not just being a lost of another social media spamming account, and you make ten more to replace that banned one.

dont go above two post an hour or you could be flagged as spam. i only use my own sites never spammed twitter. its a shame some people ruin a good thing for a few bucks.

Cash4Members · 05-18-2015, 08:55 AM

Good thread..definitely we should be more focused on business , that's wy we are all here to make some $ !

Socks · 05-18-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its a shame some people ruin a good thing for a few bucks.

The Porn Nerd · 05-18-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster

You serious? You get that few sales you can actually remember a sale?

Hommie... go get your fucking sales! I mean it... stop bitching and go get those fucking sales. It should be 50 sales per day is what you want.

YOU need to fuck off, 'hommie'. Leave this discussion to the professionals.

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

This is what i said 2 weeks ago in a thread.... channels are killing sales.... This claim of mine was somehow proven to me a few days after i wrote it here on gfy. I had a cancelation of a membership. Same day i had a friend request on Xhamster. The username of the xhamster-user sounded familiar. I copy-pasted that username in my paysite database and it popped up and it was the user who canceled his membership earlier that day. So... he just replaced a membership at my paysite for a XHamster-friendship... and now he has all (shorter) videos in one place: my tube channel! Let's think about how to adapt...

Yes I remember your comments well, and is what made me say what I did. The issue may be the tubes will not want to delete the channels so we may have to threaten total deletion of ALL videos to accomplish this. Are we willing to go that far?

Tube sites are being short-sighted here with Channels. They may be fine for user uploads and normal profiles but for Content Partners tubes should NOT have Channels OR 'related videos' with other uploads from that Content Partner.

brassmonkey · 05-18-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Making money from dating sites.

ill do one dogg

wehateporn · 05-18-2015, 10:42 AM

TheSquealer · 05-18-2015, 11:27 AM

People in this biz tend to confuse "I understand the basics of html and css" with "I'm a businessman". There are very few competent business people here.... hence, the high volume of nonsense.

Colmike9 · 05-18-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People in this biz tend to confuse "I understand the basics of html and css" with "I'm a businessman". There are very few competent business people here.... hence, the high volume of nonsense.

True, but even those html and css guys are gone and instead of getting good answers, you get "Download a better theme" and other lazy answers.

TheSquealer · 05-18-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

True, but even those html and css guys are gone and instead of getting good answers, you get "Download a better theme" and other lazy answers.

This is what I'm saying... there just aren't many business people in this industry and even the people who made huge money early on didn't tend to be good business people which is why the majority of them went broke and quietly faded away.

I make money because it's easy. My competition is literally some of the laziest and most inept and unintelligent people online today.... with a few exceptions of guys that really have their shit together. It's perfect. I buy a lot of traffic that people come on this forum all the time and announce to be complete garbage. I don't work more than an hour a day and make five figures a month... in fact, it now depresses me. I finally, after a couple years of just fucking off completely, decided to focus to get it back up over 6 figures a month, so I can find and support a venture that gets me excited.

candidpro · 05-18-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Well.. I might not want to get into that in too much detail publicly

and this is why we don't have help threads, no one wants to actually help! lol

2MuchMark · 05-18-2015, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by candidpro

and this is why we don't have help threads, no one wants to actually help! lol

I'm all for bringing some business information back to GFY, so on that note, I'll help! What do you need?

The Porn Nerd · 05-18-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is what I'm saying... there just aren't many business people in this industry and even the people who made huge money early on didn't tend to be good business people which is why the majority of them went broke and quietly faded away.

I make money because it's easy. My competition is literally some of the laziest and most inept and unintelligent people online today.... with a few exceptions of guys that really have their shit together. It's perfect. I buy a lot of traffic that people come on this forum all the time and announce to be complete garbage. I don't work more than an hour a day and make five figures a month... in fact, it now depresses me. I finally, after a couple years of just fucking off completely, decided to focus to get it back up over 6 figures a month, so I can find and support a venture that gets me excited.

I have a feeling I know how you earn those figures but PM me. I have some private questions for you, as in, 'How To'. LOL

Colmike9 · 05-18-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by candidpro

and this is why we don't have help threads, no one wants to actually help! lol

lol, true but I did give a good amount of info on it to not completely spoon feed it to him, especially since a lot of it is methodical and can't really be explained in a tutorial..

That doesn't prevent him from PMing me about it, though ;)

ITraffic · 05-18-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by druid66

hey man,
could you tell more about it, give some example?
i'm going to try to promote sponsor who is not giving any tools but his site is great and i have domain with ready blog for it, gonna grab whatever i could from his paysite what is outside (some free photos of girls, thumbs stuff like this.. but there's not much) so your "2)" got my attention ;)

x-arthd.com/

druid66 · 05-18-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

x-arthd.com/

yeah i've already figured how it may look, but thanks.
this arthd blog is very well made, wish i could design something THAT nice for the site i'm planning to advertise..

TheSquealer · 05-18-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I have a feeling I know how you earn those figures but PM me. I have some private questions for you, as in, 'How To'. LOL

pm sent.

candidpro · 05-18-2015, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

YOU need to fuck off, 'hommie'. Leave this discussion to the professionals.

Yes I remember your comments well, and is what made me say what I did. The issue may be the tubes will not want to delete the channels so we may have to threaten total deletion of ALL videos to accomplish this. Are we willing to go that far?

Tube sites are being short-sighted here with Channels. They may be fine for user uploads and normal profiles but for Content Partners tubes should NOT have Channels OR 'related videos' with other uploads from that Content Partner.

but how can you upload videos without a channel? i thought most tubes won't allow logos or anything unless you are an affiliate with a channel?

The Porn Nerd · 05-18-2015, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by candidpro

but how can you upload videos without a channel? i thought most tubes won't allow logos or anything unless you are an affiliate with a channel?

Well that's the thing. The tubes are saying the channels are a great way to brand your content and sites. They do offer great advertising space. But I think this works better if you have MEGA content (a shit ton) but if your content is more niche-oriented it may be hurting sales.

What good is a logo, banner etc if a surfer can see every single one of your uploads all in one place for free? A Content Partner will, over time, have thousands of videos on his account.

Of course I also see it from the tubes' perspective; with so many Content Partners it's a way to stay both organized and competitive in that Programs can have fans upvoting their stuff on their Channels. It does help sort through all the uploads a big tube must get but does it help the small paysite owner?

SmutHammer · 05-18-2015, 06:24 PM

Everyone is still bitching about tubes and yet still sucking their dicks....

It's the same as it has always been, Tubes are not made to convert paysites!

2MuchMark · 05-18-2015, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Everyone is still bitching about tubes and yet still sucking their dicks....

It's the same as it has always been, Tubes are not made to convert paysites!

I tend to agree.

brassmonkey · 05-18-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Everyone is still bitching about tubes and yet still sucking their dicks....

It's the same as it has always been, Tubes are not made to convert paysites!

mobile video is the last phase in evolution

if you want to puff crank thats your bizzness

Colmike9 · 05-18-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Everyone is still bitching about tubes and yet still sucking their dicks....

It's the same as it has always been, Tubes are not made to convert paysites!

Nope, they'll always lie and have some guy say how longer videos are better, channels are good, using the amount of views as leverage to get people to post, etc.

I'm not going to mention any names, but there are some big paysite owners that claim to do well on tubes and that they don't have any connections or "bro" status with the tubes, but I have proof that it's all 100% bullshit lies.....

05-17-2015, 05:42 PM	#1
Colmike9 (>^_^)b Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7,224	We need more business related shit here Hey everyone! Remember back in the day where we solved each others tech problems, coded together, networked, did case studies and shared data, etc? Nowadays it's just bullshit, news and adult related shit that webmasters don't benefit from.. Here's something random to start: 1) Everyone complaining about tubes, notice how shitty the videos still are and full of ads and slow. Make a video site like a tube, but more high quality thumbs and videos like Beeg. You don't even need to add to many per day to be effective. And keep in mind mobile is important these days and 4k is coming, which is something that I'm sure tubes are going to have a hard time promoting with bandwidth.. 2) Make "blogs" in a paysite preview style, if done right you can convert well. One that I made is Danejoneshd.com (Which Mindgeek sadly owns now and I don't think have touched it.. :/ ) and has made hundreds of sales by itself with no paid traffic or blackhat. Your turn, GFY is beginning to suck, prove me wrong. __________________ Join the BEST cam affiliate program on the internet! I've referred over $1.7mil in spending this past year, you should join in. I make a lot more money in the medical field in a lab now, fuck you guys. Don't ask me to come back, but do join Chaturbate in my sig, it still makes bank without me touching shit for years..

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XSAXS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 651	Couldn't agree more, Colmike7. Well said. I rarely come here anymore because it's always just a huge waste of time. Would LOVE to see the focus shift away from bullshit and back to business. .....oh and GFY isn't "beginning to suck." It has sucked for a long, long time.

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 48,543	Business question: Does uploading content to tube sites actually result in traffic to cam sites? I've been completely turned-off to advertising on tube sites. When I see tube sites, I see the content surrounded by other ads that are unrelated to the content, endless, endless fucking pop-up ads, and zero links to the source of that content. Another reason I was turned off of tube sites was a few years ago at Xbiz in Miami, someone gave a seminar which was called "How to make money in tube sites", but turned out to be just a sales pitch for that tube site, and that even had copyright content in its screenshots it was showing during the "seminar". The host of the seminar said lots of ridiculous things, one of which was "the content you upload should be at least 15 minutes long". Totally ridiculous to me. Anyway, if you are advertising on Tube sites I would love to hear about the success or failure you have had with them, who you recommend if any, etc. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

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SmutHammer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,844	Everyone is still bitching about tubes and yet still sucking their dicks.... It's the same as it has always been, Tubes are not made to convert paysites!