TheSquealer

50 self professed "free thinking" zombies who have found a new faith to which they've pledges unwavering support no matter what the facts are

You know exactly what I am saying. I obviously wasn't taking about a lone Indian chat bot on a porn forum saying random shit.. You are intentionally misharacterizing the views of others... others, who for the most part are saying simply "there are some questions here as to mans contribution and the extent to which the problem is stated"

blackmonsters

Meanwhile in other news :


Antarctic ice shelf will disappear within the next few years, says NASA | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building

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takethebluepill

Perhaps I worded it wrongly.
Is it just me, or do others find that all climate change deniers are stupid?
Better? I removed the ambiguous word IQ from the sentence.

dyna mo

who's denying climate change here?

TheSquealer

That's the comedy of the fanaticism of the arguments. "My argument is so rock solid that I am going to play all these games to pretend you are making an argument which you aren't - then I'll make fun of you for being stupid in defending a position you never had - but... key point, my argument is rock solid"

EonBlue

Global climate is as normal as it's ever been since the end of the last glaciation. That is to say it is well within the range of variability over that time span.

Watching the greentards twist themselves into knots and try to dismantle industrial civilization because it is slightly warmer now than it was when they were growing up is hilarious and frightening at the same time.

Two thoughts come to mind:

- The world is being run by crazy people;

and

- The lunatics are running the asylum.

We are all doomed with these people in charge.


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Robbie

I just read that Forbes article.

It 100% shows that the polar ICE CAPS (not just "sea ice") are just fine. Data straight from NASA

crockett and mark prince are so full of it on this.

As usual...they continue to base their fervent religious-like beliefs on OLD data. And all the new stuff that comes out? They ignore it.
Just like they ignore (or deny) the history of the Earth and it's many, many climate changes.

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takethebluepill

Uh huh...better take a look on NASA's official site, and not the regurgitated 'interpretation' of NASA's data. 2 very different things.

At least now I know who buys loafers at the shoe store. Many of you are obviously too dull to know how to tie your own laces.

Robbie

Another anonymous guy on a porn message board who thinks he's smarter than the rest of us.

How shocking and unexpected.

EVERYTHING that is posted on both "sides" is "regurgitated" info to prop up people's stance.

YOU on the other hand...trying to insult my intelligence without even knowing me tells me all I need to know about you.

But since you are a science professor like mark prince is...why don't you show us all the NASA data and then "explain" it to us.

You know...it wasn't that long ago that the alarmists (such as yourself) were discounting NASA's findings because they didn't show what they wanted it too.

Just like they ignore meteorologists and any scientist who doesn't agree with them.

But now the alarmists want to use NASA to "prove" themselves right...that is until NASA finds things that don't fit the agenda.

Again...the stupidity is awesome! Forget Earth's history. Forget how many times now that the alarmists have been WRONG (starting in 1970 when Pres. Nixon was given a scientific report claiming that if something was not done right then...the entire East Coast would be underwater by the year 2000...lol)

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takethebluepill

If being smarter means accepting the data from reputable sources and not from the fringe...omg the world is a conspiracy... crowd. Then yep, guess I am smarter.

2MuchMark

Hi Robby,

You don't get it my friend... I am AGREEING with you. The Earth has changed in the past. No one is saying it didn't.

The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change. In all cases, the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures appear. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were highly destructive to life on Earth.

So did the earth's climate change in the past like you said? Of course. Was it destructive to life? Absolutely. Is it happening again? Yes. We all agree so far, right?

Maybe the last sticking point is the question of is the climate change caused by Man, or is it natural?

So here's a question for you. I think the current climate change situation is man-made. What do you think?

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Robbie

As Steven Tyler once sang with Aerosmith: "Dream on..."

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2MuchMark

No sorry Robbie, the Senator was making a mistake. Just because the WEATHER was cold enough outside his door that day to to create snow is not proof that the CLIMATE is not getting warmer.

Try to think of it like this. What scientists are worrying about, is the AVERAGE temperature of the earth getting warmer. Just one or 2 degrees warmer is all it takes to create some big problems, is their point.

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Robbie

LOL! When the Earth was warmer it wasn't "destructive to life" Life THRIVED on Earth

And for your final question...gee mark prince, based on everything I have said...what do you think?

Jesus...

Meanwhile your own govt. doesn't even really believe in it either. As you pointed out, they are full steam ahead on oil.
Looks like the leaders of your govt. are the same as the leaders of ALL govt.'s...they tell us how "man-made climate change" is going to require Carbon Credits and lots of money and has to be "solved" by citizens riding bicycles.

Meanwhile...the govt. itself ramps up their own "carbon footprint" as do all the bureaucrats who want us to "sacrifice".

I don't see how rational people can watch that and not realize what is really happening. As I said...the stupidity of this is freakin' awesome to behold.

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Robbie

Holy crap...you must just be trolling at this point, right?

So when it's cold outside, it means NOTHING. But when it's hot or a drought or a hurricane or a tornado (you know...the weather) then that is PROOF of "man-made climate change"

Dude...you are seriously looking foolish. The hypocrisy is massive.

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dyna mo

here we go again!

if only Robbie agreed with me on climate change!!!!

takethebluepill

Somehow, I was quoted in the above thread, although the quote actually came from **********. Although looks like ********** and I are on the same wavelength.

As far as our 'gov't not believing in it either', that is completely wrong. (********** and I share the same Federal gov't as well). As a citizen of Canada, in the same province as the tar sands, I can say with confidence that our gov't does believe in man-made climate change. They simply know that to take a hardline approach to decreasing carbon emissions would devastate our economy. What's smart for the environment is not always what's smart for politics.

If you wish to believe the Dr Oz's of the climate world...well so be it.

dyna mo

so why the need to win the man-made climate change argument then if you, your country, and your government are all in confident agreement on man-made climate change yet there's no serious/hardline effort to decrease your carbon footprint?

takethebluepill

That's kind of like saying....if you are confident that consuming large amounts of pop is bad for you...but you still continue to drink pop....then why does it matter if you win the argument that drinking pop is bad for you.

Doing one thing doesn't cancel out the other.

Robbie

Nope, but when alarmists are saying this is the GREATEST THREAT to humanity...then I would assume that the govt.'s would actually DO something.
What use is the economy if we are all dead?

But instead...the govt.'s are doing the exact OPPOSITE. Ramping up their own "carbon footprints" to new levels.

And as I said...just ONE aircraft carrier negates all of our cars.

And yet...the United States federal govt. keeps our overbloated military money machine running full throttle trying to rule the world.

As I said earlier...the govt. either:
1. Knows this is bullshit and have created a new revenue stream with "carbon credit" trading.
OR
2. Have knowledge that it's even WORSE than we are being told and that there's nothing we can do about it...so why bother to stop putting out such HUGE emissions of the "evil" CO2?

Think about that for a minute. Does it make sense for the govt. to scream about it, and then their only response is to figure out ways to make money by carbon credits without having any real effect on the so-called "problem"?

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dyna mo

exactly my point. needing people to agree with the man-made global warming alarm ringing doesn't cancel out the man-made global warming you're claiming.

and calling people stupid about it certainly doesn't help. in fact, it hinders.

crockett

I have never said the Earth climate doesn't change.. I said the article was bullshit and like usual you run off knowing everything denying all evidence you don't like. It's comical that you consider yourself the knower of all and smarter than all the scientist whom do this stuff for a living.. Why , because you took science class in school..

Seriously dude, I have a hard time not busting out laughing when reading some of your posts..


The amount of denial that goes on in your head is mind boggling.. You tell us all about how all the scientist in the world are in on a scam to rob us of money.. Because you know stuff.. Meanwhile the only people whom deny man made global warming are people whom make money denying. it. It's fucking comedy that you see nothing wrong with your logic.

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As far as the "2014" hottest year on record" claim you should check out the research of the research this guy has done in regards to the falsification of temp data https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...south-america/

In regard to the ice shelf and more temp data falsification..

The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph

takethebluepill

Shit dude. You are absolutely right.

Just last week, I walked into a back room in the neighbourhood bar by mistake. What I found was amazing. A whole table load of climatoligists, local weather broadcasters and even common folk, all feverously burning newspapers, whiting out websites (yep, actually whiting them out), and so on. Their goal...erase all evidence of the 'real' temperatures reached in regions all over the world so as to perpetuate the myth of climate change.

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So the "adjustments" to "real" temperature data by degrees plays no part in the claim the Earth is getting warmer by hundreds of a degree. Gotcha.. I'm a believer now. Where should I turn in all my 8 cylinder gas gusslin carbon minoxide emitters?

TheSquealer

That's your response to facts which in part, counter your beliefs? Random gibberish?

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It might seem like gibberish to you and I but to someone with IQ level as high as his it's Godspeak.

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2MuchMark

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

NASA - What's the Difference Between Weather and Climate? | NASA
What is the difference between weather and climate?
Weather and Climate Basics
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/arctic-...s_weather.html
Weather and Climate: What's the Difference? : Discovery News

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takethebluepill

I don't know if I can believe the links your provided. These all sound a little too official. Where are the links with the 'real' information, like http://imaclimatechangedenierwholivesinthebasement.com

2MuchMark

Forget "alarmists". Let's assume that for now, Alarmists post inflated crap online as click bate. I've seen it on Right-wing sites, and I've seen it on left wing sites too. So let's say all that crap just cancels each other out and forget that term for now.

Scientists at Nasa, Noaa and other places say the earth is warming up thanks to CO2 and other gasses, and that the results can be bad. Why not take steps to reduce the amount of gasses we put into the air? Man-made or not, the gasses are piling up, aren't they?

Why wait for the governments? Some companies are already doing something about it, and we people can definitely do something about it too, right? Tell me exactly what we lose doing this. It seems to me we can gain a lot for almost no risk.

Good question! No use of course. Both sides agree, so this too should be removed from the discussion.


If you're talking about the War machine, I agree, and that's too bad, but it still doesn't mean that there aren't other things that we can do, and that even the governments can do in other sectors. Look at what Germany and France have done. Even China's starting to come around.

Not just Aircraft carriers. Container ships too like the Maersk Line pollute like crazy delivering goods to us from China. Then again, it's still cheaper, more fuel efficient, and pollutes less than moving all that stuff by car.

Agreed, but this is kind of a different subject. If we keep pulling arguments from everywhere, we'll never get anywhere.



Robbie try looking at it like this: First, forget the government. Next, let's just talk about 1 item at a time. Maybe then we can get somewhere.

Peace.

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Yes because all of the "official" data is "real" "true" and "accurate" because it's "official" and we all know officials don't lie.

dyna mo

He's simply trying to gotcha Robbie for using the word weather instead of the word climate in the same sentence Robbie used the word climate in.

Hardly a valid argument.


I mean really, 3rd grade definitions on the difference between weather and climate?

Please.

Robbie

EXACTLY **********! Which is why you should know better than this.
Over REAL time the Earth's climate changes dramatically...and it does it without any input from mankind.

NEWSFLASH: The polar caps will one day melt. Just as they have in the past.
NEWSFLASH: The polar caps will one day freeze over and extend down to Tennessee...just as they have in the past.
NEWSFLASH: Man will have nothing to do with either.

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Robbie

GODDAMN.

You are infuriating with your blindness. You CAN'T forget the govt.'s.

THEY ARE THE ONES DOING ALL THE DAMAGE THAT YOU CLAIM IS BEING DONE.

It's like you're saying...let's talk about making guitars, but FORGET about all the guitar manufacturers

How silly.
The GOVT.'s are the reason that there is so much CO2 in the atmosphere.
As for businesses doing something...oh yeah, they are busy buying carbon credits on the open market so they don't have to actually reduce it.

Unreal that you don't seem to have a clue as to what is really going on.

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It doesn't mean that, and therefore ....

Vrindavan

global warming is scam

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_Richard_

snort, yep. again too.

can't believe they're still trying this

brandonstills

Not sure what you mean. More ice means more cold. Warming means less ice. If someone says the ice caps will melt and they don't then you have to question the accuracy of their models.

Well, if you don't want to believe Forbes or Heartland how about NASA?

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum | NASA

Antarctica posted a 35 record high for sea ice less than a year ago.

Not that it proves anything since climate is such a complex system, but it's enough to raise some serious questions.

When someone says the polar ice caps will melt and then NASA says Antarctica has more sea ice than it has seen in 35 years any sane person will immediately see that something isn't adding up.

One thing is for sure. CO2 is a greenhouse gas and humans have increased the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere and it is causing radiative forcing. I don't think climate sensitivity is as high as they claim it is though. We would be seeing warmer temperatures and less ice if what they said was true.

Plus, even if we are responsible and even if we don't come up with a technological solution to counter an problems, a few degrees warmer over 100 years is barely anything. We went from riding horses to space shuttles in that amount of time. Do you really think we can't convert CO2 into something useful for us? I for one am not concerned. Permaculture teaches there is no such thing as waste, just unused resources.

Here's a recent technology that is interesting:
Artificial Photosynthesis Advance Hailed As Major Breakthrough

CO2 + sunlight + bacteria -> energy + O2

That one might even have the capability of going too far in the opposite direction and removing too much CO2.

There's also the fact the more CO2 means more plant growth which means more CO2 consumption. Green house growers will pump in CO2 to around 1000 ppm (250% of current levels) in order to get higher yields.

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Robbie

You're wasting your time Brandon...the alarmists have blinders on. They use 15 year old computer models based on bad data.

And anytime the Earth adapts and the "danger" (you know of a degree or two of temp) is gone...they then say that the new danger is Earth's adaptation!

Just like the oceans sucking up the CO2. Now it's "OMG, the ocean will now become acidic and everyone will DIE!!!"

No...most sane human beings realize that if there is an increase in acidity...nature will again adapt to bring the ph level of the freakin' ocean back to what alarmists think is "normal" (FYI, there is no such thing as "normal").

Your post was well written and thought out.

Therefore you MUST be in denial and some kind of Koch Brother/Fox News/Republican puppet.

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nico-t

Ah, I see our resident novelists have taken over yet another thread.

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What he said

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No, its the deniers that have the blinders on.

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Robbie

LOL, says the man who refuses to even question if this might be bullshit.

It's a religion for you. You would have been at the front of the line in 1970 when Daniel Ellsberg handed Pres. Nixon the report from the top scientists saying that unless we acted RIGHT THEN to stop "global warming" the entire Eastern Seaboard of the United States would be underwater by the year 2000.

You would have been at the front of the line a couple of years later when the "settled science" was that we were entering a new Ice Age and were all about to die.

And just like now...you would look foolish in the end.

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2MuchMark

Look Robbie I don't want to fight with you, and there's no reason to get mad at me. We both believe different things, that's all. I sincerely hope that you belief is correct and that the world has nothing to worry about, but I'm pretty sure that this isn't the case.

Calling people like me who are concerned about the environment Alarmists isn't accurate and isn't fair. I think gas is expensive and bad for the environment, so I choose to drive a car that doesn't need as much of it. If you have to give me a label, why not thrifty tree hugger? At least its accurate and not insulting.

I want what you want: Fresh air, blue skies, green grass, clean water, and moderate climate. I worry that certain industries are taking this away. Science it seems, is proving they are.

No fighting.

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Robbie

Mark, I'm not "mad" at you.

And unlike you...I don't "believe" in anything. You do.

And I'm not "fighting". I'm just watching as you seem to just placidly accept the b.s. you're being fed and pretend that Earth's entire history doesn't exist.

"Certain industries" are putting out CO2???? I say AGAIN...the U.S. federal govt. puts out more than ALL industries combined.
So maybe it's the Feds who are trying to take away all of our clean air and water?

It's amazing what good marketing can convince people of.

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Jel

but calling people who don't buy into the hype of what needs to be done, who is primarily 'at fault' (ie not that they think there is no climate change) 'deniers' is ok?

When you say 'deniers', what exactly are you saying those 'deniers' are 'denying'? When YOU use that word, about eg Robbie?

MetaMan

Anyone who believes in global warming is a fucking idiot.

dyna mo

it's the television that tells the naive that buying&driving a new car saves gas.

because it certainly isn't reality.

Robbie

Oh, he's definitely trying to say that I and others who aren't falling for this crap are "denying" "science".

Just like I would have been a "denier" in 1970 when "science" was wrong about it. And again later in the 1970's when "science" was again wrong about the coming "ice age".

Mark would have been right there screaming at the top of his lungs in the 1970's that I was a "Denier" and just too dumb to understand his religion of "science".

Unfortunately REAL science says the Earth's climate changes constantly. It also shows that nature adapts to most everything.

And so I'll say it again...the ONLY thing that will be something to be an "alarmist" about would be an extinction event like a large meteor hitting the Earth.
And that WILL happen. Real science shows that.

Meanwhile Mark will continue to wring his hands and agonize over bought and paid for "science" and will continue to affect the Earth's climate...not at all.

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