Business Here to make money or be part of the crowd

[NatalieK]

Seriously, I know this thread maybe trolled by a couple of idiots, however, I'm only here for good honest business, the same as you!

So, I've recently looked at my website traffic stats & wondered why I see only a few hits from here & there. Yet plenty of hits from affiliates who are making money.

So why you & so many others chasing the same buck, sign ups from the same companies?
My site & content is so underrated, unsaturated & is makes money. You could sign up to my cash program gspotcash, receive an latest FHG updates email once a month, put a text link or banner on your site, maybe a small vid to your tube & make dollar!

I do not understand why you wouldn't want to make bucks this weekend & sign up & try out my site!

I'm happy to put you on 55% if you'd like to email after signing up & promote my site arsewithclass.com British pornstar Natalie K's official adult site

HD clips, streaming, unlimited downloads, so many niche from cumshots & creampie, reality gangbangs & bukkake, to gloryhole & plenty of solo & toy content.... I love girl girl, your traffic can browse through clips, previews, pics, before signing up for a $1 trial & enjoying daily live cam shows. The VNA live shows included Vicky Vette & many other sexy girls, with my own show once a week on a Wednesday!

I like to treat my members like my friends, so I'll always reply to email & always enjoy a good chat on either my twitter or in the live shows, sometimes meeting some of my fans & members in person! I always enjoy a party, a fun drink & a bit of fun on my balcony or in my bed with guests, members or fans. The filmed footage can be enjoyed by your traffic viewing my reality fuck sessions in y paid access areas!

Hoping you sign up, I'm looking to enjoy a fun & enjoyable summer here in Spain with plenty of naughty outdoor content, nude, rude & having fun, have a good weekend, I'm going too

[Roald]

Creative

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[Mediamix]

Marketing or spam...?

[Markul]

That join page of yours.... no offence, but how is that working out for ya?

[mineistaken]

Can we come to your bed for signing as affiliates?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Markul

That join page of yours.... no offence, but how is that working out for ya?

Terribly. That site is a marketers nightmare.

A better site with proper focus and marketing in mind would increase conversions significantly, which would make affiliates more money, which would make you more money.

Get a proper site and you would be able to sell fine. Proper marketing is the difference between cheeseburgers and ribeyes.

[dyna mo]

this is a good opportunity for paul markham to venture out of his thread and post. he much knows join links and more even.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by Sly

Terribly. That site is a marketers nightmare.

A better site with proper focus and marketing in mind would increase conversions significantly, which would make affiliates more money, which would make you more money.

Get a proper site and you would be able to sell fine. Proper marketing is the difference between cheeseburgers and ribeyes.

[Jel]

my #1 tip would be to hit up zuzanna designs, and get a great tour, plus much better looking prejoin/join integration.

#2 tip is then to get epoch on board as primary biller (cascading to ccbill, keeping your existing program for ccbill affiliates), for better throughput, and paypal as another method of billing

Hopefully others will chime in as well with solid advice - listen to it

[epitome]

People are interested in making money with sites that convert.

You do not own such a site.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Jel

my #1 tip would be to hit up zuzanna designs, and get a great tour, plus much better looking prejoin/join integration.

#2 tip is then to get epoch on board as primary biller (cascading to ccbill, keeping your existing program for ccbill affiliates), for better throughput, and paypal as another method of billing

Hopefully others will chime in as well with solid advice - listen to it

People have been giving him advice for years. He doesn't listen. He's another Paul Markham and thinks his stuff is great and nobody can do better.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Markul

That join page of yours.... no offence, but how is that working out for ya?

Our traffic converts, so yes, it works

Originally Posted by Sly

Terribly. That site is a marketers nightmare.

A better site with proper focus and marketing in mind would increase conversions significantly, which would make affiliates more money, which would make you more money.

Get a proper site and you would be able to sell fine. Proper marketing is the difference between cheeseburgers and ribeyes.

A proper site? You mean like every other? The ones that you & everyone else send huge numbers of traffic too.

And the point to this thread was to ask why people wanted to do the same as each other & yet my site does sell & you're missing out on opportunity to make money.

Originally Posted by Jel

my #1 tip would be to hit up zuzanna designs, and get a great tour, plus much better looking prejoin/join integration.

#2 tip is then to get epoch on board as primary biller (cascading to ccbill, keeping your existing program for ccbill affiliates), for better throughput, and paypal as another method of billing

Hopefully others will chime in as well with solid advice - listen to it

Jel, the design is mobile compatible, yes, zuzanna is brilliant. However, my thread was to see why everyone wants the same & to say that my site, as many other amateur sites sell. Maybe with higher converting ratios.

Agreeing with you with regards to epoch, but they won't allow us to bill with them, as many years back, my partner entitled a movie scene with the word "raped", saying I was being raped by a couple of guys in a movie scene called "creamed". It's a scenario movie, hubby walking in on me with the black & one cock, however, they disapproved of the word, even though it was a scenario scene. A great shame

Originally Posted by epitome

People are interested in making money with sites that convert.

You do not own such a site.

Yes, people are interested in making money, hence creating this thread. And your point? You say mine is not... How do you know? Have you signed up & sent any of your traffic?

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[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Can we come to your bed for signing as affiliates?

haha I try to keep business as business & pleasure to pleasure. Although, you never know where the next venue for the webmasters meetings are to be held at, we do have a local nudist beach

[plaster]

Hi,

I make 20K/month in adult and scaling it up daily. Ask me next month... will likely be 30.

I saw you post in a thread about me so posting in yours.

You suck at almost everything related to the internet

/endthread

[DanS]

My firefox froze for a minute when loading your site.

[clickity click]

I used to sign up for hundreds of affiliate sites, now not so much but I agree with other posters that the site doesn't look right. On my device it looks really bad, particularly the join.





I don't mean anything by it, I'm sure you spent a long time on it but you say it's mobile compatible, this is on Android and I say it's not.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Jel, the design is mobile compatible, yes, zuzanna is brilliant. However, my thread was to see why everyone wants the same & to say that my site, as many other amateur sites sell. Maybe with higher converting ratios.

here's the thing: like a publisher knows that a simple tweak like changing the title of a book = all the difference in sales of that book, a designer knows all the tweaks that will make many more sales for a tour.

mobile responsive doesn't equal sales, whereas other design tweaks/usage does. most savvy affiliates (and there surely aren't any other kind left these days) know their traffic, and from years of looking at various tours, analysing their stats to various tours, know which ones are likely to convert, and which tours aren't. You can have the greatest content, awesome retention, but if the tour lets you down, you are facing an uphill struggle, not only with your own traffic/joins, but in regards to enticing affiliates to send their traffic from a tour they know converts, to a tour they feel isn't going to convert - that just isn't going to happen, simple as that.

You have an emotional attachment to your site - that's only natural, thing is, affiliates have no emotional attachment and are concerned about 1 thing only: will this tour convert with my traffic. There's one variable you can change in all that, and that's to get an outstanding tour...

you have genuine amateur content, good member interaction, ccbill which affiliates seem to like (for some unknown reason to me), but the tour and join page kill the idea of affiliates switching their analyzed traffic over stone dead.

Getting a professionally made tour and using eg zuzanna's vast experience of what works is pretty much 99.99% of what you need to do to push on as far as getting affiliates, imho.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by clickity click

I used to sign up for hundreds of affiliate sites, now not so much but I agree with other posters that the site doesn't look right. On my device it looks really bad, particularly the join.

I don't mean anything by it, I'm sure you spent a long time on it but you say it's mobile compatible, this is on Android and I say it's not.

ahhh yes, the part that's messing about is not actually mine, it's the patch, the 'add in' from VNA nation. So every vette nation girl site, some of which are highly well known, they would have the same problem. I think the counter is not mobile compatible & I think you can see the ccbill banners are also creating a problem with mobile compatibility. I'll have someone take a look at this.

Thank you

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Jel

affiliates have no emotional attachment and are concerned about 1 thing only: will this tour convert with my traffic.

And here is the point to my thread. The affiliate knows what converts, because, they know best or because that's what everyone else is doing?

What if 20 affiliates signed up to my site today, sent say 5000 hits to my tour & each converted 5 to 10 sales. Would everyone then say, oh, "this is the design everyone needs". I hope not. I'd rather see everyone having original sites. Sign up, send traffic & tell me if it doesn't work after sending maybe 2000 hits in a day or so

Many huge mainstream companies spend millions on advertising. Do they need to, I'd always use virgin media, they don't need to spend the money, just do the job

[Goethe]

Are you on CCBill?

[mopek1]

You don't seem to be listening GSpot.

You asked why people are not interested in your site. Then you get answers = valuable feedback.

Then you tell them they are wrong and ignore everything.

Chasing your tail ....

[Jel]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

And here is the point to my thread. The affiliate knows what converts, because, they know best or because that's what everyone else is doing?

Because they have tested many many many programs and many many many tours - they know out of site A or site B which one is going to convert better, and bring in long term EPC.

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

What if 20 affiliates signed up to my site today, sent say 5000 hits to my tour & each converted 5 to 10 sales.

But they aren't, and never will. What if everyone signed up to any new program with my ref code? What if everyone signed up to sites I push, and saw the great content inside, instead of jacking off to pornhub videos? What if etc etc other stuff that doesn't actually mean anything?

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Would everyone then say, oh, "this is the design everyone needs". I hope not. I'd rather see everyone having original sites. Sign up, send traffic & tell me if it doesn't work after sending maybe 2000 hits in a day or so

There's a reason design formulas are the same, and that's because unemotionally-vested people go with what has been proven to work. They take advantage of someone else spending money and testing, and use the results for their own gain. You should take advantage too Also 2000 hits is nothing.. literally nothing. Testing has been carried out over many hundreds of millions of hits, huge data, so again - take advantage of that

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Many huge mainstream companies spend millions on advertising. Do they need to, I'd always use virgin media, they don't need to spend the money, just do the job

You only heard of virginmedia because of their previous huge advertising, and your analogy is slightly off anyway. A better way to look at it is: branson starts a business, knows the core product he wants to sell, then gets help in many areas, including marketing and presentation. He knows that he has to take his emotions OUT and put proven methods IN.

It doesn't matter what YOU think is a good design, it matters what potential affiliates think is, if you want to attract more affiliates. As I said, your content and member interaction etc is great, but surfers are sold on the tour, and if affiliates don't trust the tour, then you won't get affiliates - it really is as simple as that, and however much it may go against the grain, you need to do it if you want more affiliates

[Adult-biz]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

Many huge mainstream companies spend millions on advertising. Do they need to, I'd always use virgin media, they don't need to spend the money, just do the job

This isn`t why they advertise. It`s about branding.

Originally Posted by mopek1

You don't seem to be listening GSpot.
You asked why people are not interested in your site. Then you get answers = valuable feedback.
Then you tell them they are wrong and ignore everything.
Chasing your tail ....

GspotProductions, mopek1 is correct. You have been given some excellent information but you seem to be ignoring it and prefer to tell experienced affiliates they are losing $ by not promoting you.

[rogueteens]

Reminds me of the time that Gary showed everyone the gallery that the Hun accepted from him. He was warned but ....

[romeo22]

Originally Posted by plaster

Hi,

I make 20K/month in adult and scaling it up daily. Ask me next month... will likely be 30.

I saw you post in a thread about me so posting in yours.

You suck at almost everything related to the internet

/endthread

Lollll

[j3rkules]

Where is Damian when we need him?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Goethe

Are you on CCBill?

Yes we are with ccbill

Originally Posted by mopek1

You don't seem to be listening GSpot.
You asked why people are not interested in your site. Then you get answers = valuable feedback.
Then you tell them they are wrong and ignore everything.
Chasing your tail ....

Hi mopek1, thanks for your post. We are listening & invite more affiliates to give recommendations or requests to make our business more inviting for you, the affiliate, to sign up & send quality traffic.

Already today, we've been working on the pages, creating a mobile compatible billing page

Originally Posted by Jel

Because they have tested many many many programs and many many many tours - they know out of site A or site B which one is going to convert better, and bring in long term EPC.

Jel, obviously no offense meant, so, they know my tour won't sell because of why when most of the GFY webmasters haven't tried it.

Originally Posted by Jel

What if etc etc other stuff that doesn't actually mean anything?

I do understand your reaction to the previous post. However, to deny a "what if" regarding the sign up of a site, maybe a "why not" could be more positive. Why not try us out & see how well it sells.

Originally Posted by Jel

There's a reason design formulas are the same, and that's because unemotionally-vested people go with what has been proven to work. They take advantage of someone else spending money and testing, and use the results for their own gain. You should take advantage too Also 2000 hits is nothing.. literally nothing. Testing has been carried out over many hundreds of millions of hits, huge data, so again - take advantage of that

Absolutely, and we are. I'm having new pages added to my site & after the re-reviews & seeing against other solo models, I'm listening & doing as required to make our site work

Originally Posted by Jel

It doesn't matter what YOU think is a good design, it matters what potential affiliates think is, if you want to attract more affiliates. As I said, your content and member interaction etc is great, but surfers are sold on the tour, and if affiliates don't trust the tour, then you won't get affiliates - it really is as simple as that, and however much it may go against the grain, you need to do it if you want more affiliates

Also, you're forgetting the household name. As I've always had my partner shoot my own content, it's obviously much harder to become a popular name in the industry. However, my name "Natalie K" is becoming more of a pornstar name at many of the tubes & on myfreeones. Hopefully, the more content we put out there, I shall have an increase in sales & surfers, looking generally for my name, films & photo content

Originally Posted by BettingMethodology

This isn`t why they advertise. It`s about branding.
GspotProductions, mopek1 is correct. You have been given some excellent information but you seem to be ignoring it and prefer to tell experienced affiliates they are losing $ by not promoting you.

Too true, branding is important, hopefully now we're adding much more content to my profiles on the tubes, I'm hoping my name becomes more of a brand & many more surfers can generally surf for me. & yes, we've been listening & have taken some steps to change some of the layout & I'm very happy to listen to the information & do as we can to make the right changes for affiliates to promote my website, cheers

[RyuLion]

Just ignore the trolls man/girl...

[georgeyw]

As others havee mentioned already, perhaps fix up that join page, I for one can barely read anything on that page, it is a huge mess.

Also mke it mobile friendly, you say it is mobile friendly, but it does not look like it is on any of my devices.

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by mopek1

You don't seem to be listening GSpot.

You asked why people are not interested in your site. Then you get answers = valuable feedback.

Then you tell them they are wrong and ignore everything.

Chasing your tail ....

+1

[Sly]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

A proper site? You mean like every other? The ones that you & everyone else send huge numbers of traffic too.

And the point to this thread was to ask why people wanted to do the same as each other & yet my site does sell & you're missing out on opportunity to make money.
.

Just last week you said you were making shit for money and barely getting by. Your site sucks. Period. Nobody disagrees with that statement except... you!

It is clearly not working. Don't take it personally. Fix it. Make money. Yes, it's that simple.

I don't care if you listen to me or not. I make a good living. You don't. Do the math.

Or go on "fighting the sites that look like all of the others!"

[Serge Litehead]

this is 2015, why can't a site have multiple tours?

this thread is a deja vu moment

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Sly

Just last week you said you were making shit for money and barely getting by. Your site sucks. Period. Nobody disagrees with that statement except... you!

It is clearly not working. Don't take it personally. Fix it. Make money. Yes, it's that simple.

I don't care if you listen to me or not. I make a good living. You don't. Do the math.

Or go on "fighting the sites that look like all of the others!"

Sly, hi. I did say I was not making great money, this is because our low traffic. Every affiliate sending traffic makes sales. Hence saying, sending traffic to my site, it does sell. However, after your post, happy to listen or take advice. So, for my site, I prefer it if you'd give some advice to what you think would make my site 'not suck'. Love to make money & happy to fix what you or anyone thinks needs fixing.

Today, we've already fixed the payment billing page, making this mobile compatible, next

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by holograph

this is 2015, why can't a site have multiple tours?

It does has 6 niche tours & the main tour. There's a previews clips page with plenty of free clips & the cam tour page

[freecartoonporn]

get a professional to do the site .

either make it responsive or make another one for mobiles.,

make sure your members area content is also mobile friendly.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

get a professional to do the site .

either make it responsive or make another one for mobiles.,

make sure your members area content is also mobile friendly.

It's mobile friendly, here's one of the tour pages, the clips page arsewithclass.com

I've streaming webm on a database, a streaming members tube & separate niche pages with unlimited downloadable wmv & mp4 content.

[Adult-biz]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Just ignore the trolls man/girl...

What trolls? Many of the contributors to this thread have provided excellent info to him/her.

[clickity click]

The tour page looks much better now but it falls apart when you get to the chill page. This hasn't changed at all.

[sandman!]

nice spam

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by BettingMethodology

What trolls? Many of the contributors to this thread have provided excellent info to him/her.

Absolutely, hence not re-posting, but thanks for your input anyway! Ryu lions a lovely guy, maybe too nice sometimes! He saw a group of negative posts, saying my site could not sell, sadly failing to notice the webmasters were stating info that my partner & I have taken on & have already began to change

Hoping my site can provide quality sales, considering the content is certainly of good quality & a variety of niche, merely the site seems to be the problem.

I suppose like having a shop full of sweets or sellable items but a mess to walk into. The corner shop with amazing leather chairs & no shop front huh

Originally Posted by clickity click

The tour page looks much better now but it falls apart when you get to the chill page. This hasn't changed at all.

The chill page, explain more? Which page hasn't changed?

Originally Posted by sandman!

nice spam

Thank you, thank you, shall I curtsy now

[rogueteens]

just wondering, how many FHGs do you have available? And do you have embedded FLV/MP4s for tube sites?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

just wondering, how many FHGs do you have available? And do you have embedded FLV/MP4s for tube sites?

Hi ya rogue, we have fhgs, a new one from my shoots usually most weeks & welcome affiliates to use any of the images on their own fhgs in zip downloads. & yes, I do have embeddable flv, mp4 & webm clips & previews for tubes. You can find some of my movies at my xhamster & pornhub profiles or again, affiliates are welcomed to use the previews from my clips page if it's to increase traffic

Here are my latest gallery directory Index of /15-gallery

[clickity click]

It was supposed to be the ccbill page not chill page.

[mopek1]

Why don't you want to listen to the people telling you to get a professional to redo your main tour?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by clickity click

It was supposed to be the ccbill page not chill page.

What do you mean chill page? The guys meant the billing page, it wasn't mobile compatible, It is now, we're working on making the site more approachable for you, the affiliate

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Why don't you want to listen to the people telling you to get a professional to redo your main tour?

A professional did do our site. My partner & I do not know bootstrap & other css mobile compatible scripts

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

A professional did do our site. My partner & I do not know bootstrap & other css mobile compatible scripts

What I mean is to take the advice of many here and get it 're-done' by a professional like Zuzanna Designs.

There is a lot wrong with that main tour.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mopek1

What I mean is to take the advice of many here and get it 're-done' by a professional like Zuzanna Designs.

There is a lot wrong with that main tour.

I've spoken to a designer today & had my tour changed a little. Now hoping it's more to perspective, once is, you all shall be happy to share your traffic & send quality traffic to my daily live shows & site

[wehateporn]

First I came here for business, then I evolved

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I've spoken to a designer today & had my tour changed a little. Now hoping it's more to perspective, once is, you all shall be happy to share your traffic & send quality traffic to my daily live shows & site

Okay ... let us know when it is.