The problem with pay sites is simple

[DVTimes]

Most sites will only let you join if you pay for the site.

I was watching on TV (BBC in the UK) and one gambling (online) was just after people becoming members. Not only did they not make people pay to become members but they gave anyone who became a member a free bet on a certainty (I think the payout was £30). The idea is most people will then bet that £30 so chances are they get all the money back.

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

One porn site has given away VR goggles for free [LINK]. It will be interesting how they use this. Will they use the database to attract new customers (one presumes the problem is people under 18 will be getting them).

But if sites could get people to sign up for something (say a free gift or access to a small part of the site) this should result in more people becoming paid members.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Most sites will only let you join if you pay for the site.

I was watching on TV (BBC in the UK) and one gambling (online) was just after people becoming members. Not only did they not make people pay to become members but they gave anyone who became a member a free bet on a certainty (I think the payout was £30). The idea is most people will then bet that £30 so chances are they get all the money back.

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

One porn site has given away VR goggles for free [LINK]. It will be interesting how they use this. Will they use the database to attract new customers (one presumes the problem is people under 18 will be getting them).

But if sites could get people to sign up for something (say a free gift or access to a small part of the site) this should result in more people becoming paid members.

Interesting...but I do not think the gambling model fits with adult too well IMHO. The gambling model relies on the person who is "addicted" to gambling. Such a person will make future bets which will cost him money. Where as in adult, the reliance is on a person wanting to masturbate. Using the limited membership model, that person can keep fulfilling his need for free. Unless the surfer is infatuated with a solo model, then I can see how a free limited version will likely result in a full membership. But then again, if the surfer is infatuated with a solo model, then that surfer is likely to signup for a full membership regardless.

[MiamiBoyz]

Sure, and the best way to fill up a restaurant is to offer free food then try to get them to buy dessert at the end of the meal.

See how long you can afford to keep your doors open!

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

[lezinterracial]

Many sites offer free and low cost deals, But I believe many see that as a scam. Like all those join for a $1 sites. In the small print you see where you are gonna get multiple cross sales.

[dyna mo]

so the problem with pay sites is they are not free.

the simple solution to that is to make them free then come up with a brand-new innovative way to get people to pay for what they are getting for free.


simple.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

so the problem with pay sites is they are not free.

the simple solution to that is to make them free then come up with a brand-new innovative way to get people to pay for what they are getting for free.


simple.

No, the problem with paysites is they are often run by geniuses like the OP.

Hey DV: It's called a TRIAL.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions

Perfect!

[bronco67]

If you have something good and create a following, almost any product can be sold that way. The problem is that the porn landscape is filled with same boring-ass shit made by people without a single sexual/erotic bone in their body.

[TheSquealer]

If anyone should be dispensing business advice, it's clearly this guy. You know. the one in a wedding dress, painted face like a clown who does nothing but cut and paste nonsense news all day long on forums.

[Adam_M]

The VOD sites are a little closer to the gambling site model then pay sites are.

[kane]

A person could also try wiping their ass and then taking a shit.

[aka123]

A bit better way to explain this type of marketing: make a bond with the customer before asking him to pay.

You know, like Ahrefs (came into my mind from last day's thread). They have two free options actually:

Not signed in option:

https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/ove...target=gfy.com

Signed in option:

https://ahrefs.com/registration/choose-your-plan


Porn sites already use this model and with the same way as Ahrefs; for example Chaturbate. Though their free signup doesn't really bring that much benefits.

[Paul Markham]

Did I miss something while I've been in exile?

I thought Tube sites were free, had loads of good porn on them and no one needed t even join. LOL

[aka123]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If you have something good and create a following, almost any product can be sold that way. The problem is that the porn landscape is filled with same boring-ass shit made by people without a single sexual/erotic bone in their body.

I can agree with the fact that big part of porn is badly produced. The quality seems also to have declined. If you look a tad old porn magazines; the sets are so much better produced. The editors had limited space to make impression/ customers happy and they did put so much more effort into the production to accomplish that. Today it seems that many think that the idea is just to take photos of nude women. Like seeing nude women would be something special in these days..daahhh..

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If you have something good and create a following, almost any product can be sold that way. The problem is that the porn landscape is filled with same boring-ass shit made by people without a single sexual/erotic bone in their body.

This man wins the coconut.

Porn sites can work like this, the cam model is one that certainly works like this. Dating can as well.

The crunch is the free sample isn't given away 24/7/365 and 1,000s of sites. And the product is worth purchasing on a repeat basis. So for porn there has to be the element of consumers have to pay for satisfaction.

[jimmycastor]

Originally Posted by bronco67

If you have something good and create a following, almost any product can be sold that way. The problem is that the porn landscape is filled with same boring-ass shit made by people without a single sexual/erotic bone in their body.

so true

[Roald]

ps, ABAG.com

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by aka123

I can agree with the fact that big part of porn is badly produced. The quality seems also to have declined. If you look a tad old porn magazines; the sets are so much better produced. The editors had limited space to make impression/ customers happy and they did put so much more effort into the production to accomplish that. Today it seems that many think that the idea is just to take photos of nude women. Like seeing nude women would be something special in these days..daahhh..

Ok...but even just a simple nude picture can be better than a movie, in the hands of someone who likes sex and knows how to capture it with a lens. Just take any joe scumbag off the street who buys a camera and decides he's a porn producer -- and you get all of that dime-a-dozen crap which has oversaturated the market.

Quality doesn't necessarily mean elaborate sets and movie style plots. Just hot sex with attractive people shot well.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Offer a two tiered membership;

1. a Free membership that would include older full length content served with advertising -- a tube killer
2. a Paid subscription with ''premium content'' served with limited (roll out ?) advertising -- use the ad revenue to subsidize the subscription price

I would be happy to buy ads direct on a legit porn site and I am sure here are others that would also like to buy quality advertising

[patadeperro]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

I dont know where you have been, but even in the webcam sites you open an account for free and can see the shows for free as well, and you get paid for those free accounts, obviously they know that certain number of those people will eventually pay, that is how the business works.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by aka123

I can agree with the fact that big part of porn is badly produced. The quality seems also to have declined. If you look a tad old porn magazines; the sets are so much better produced. The editors had limited space to make impression/ customers happy and they did put so much more effort into the production to accomplish that. Today it seems that many think that the idea is just to take photos of nude women. Like seeing nude women would be something special in these days..daahhh..

We shooters also had a budget to work with that would scare pornsites. And that's all it takes.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Ok...but even just a simple nude picture can be better than a movie, in the hands of someone who likes sex and knows how to capture it with a lens. Just take any joe scumbag off the street who buys a camera and decides he's a porn producer -- and you get all of that dime-a-dozen crap which has oversaturated the market.

Quality doesn't necessarily mean elaborate sets and movie style plots. Just hot sex with attractive people shot well.

It wasn't pics vs movies comment. Not at all. It was more like nude "mugshot" vs capturing sexy moment.

I do take some pictures (not anything to do with porn) and there is big difference between just taking a photo and capturing some moment. Most amateur/ family photos are merely mugshots. Really, most photos are some selfies or photos where people pose directly towards cam with some grin on their face. Though those are mostly intended to capture memories more than the moments, but still.

[Cameltoepro]

maybe like the old free site model. 3-4 pages. 15-20 photos and then the see more now link to the paysite.

[Porko]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Most sites will only let you join if you pay for the site.

I was watching on TV (BBC in the UK) and one gambling (online) was just after people becoming members. Not only did they not make people pay to become members but they gave anyone who became a member a free bet on a certainty (I think the payout was £30). The idea is most people will then bet that £30 so chances are they get all the money back.

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

One porn site has given away VR goggles for free [LINK]. It will be interesting how they use this. Will they use the database to attract new customers (one presumes the problem is people under 18 will be getting them).

But if sites could get people to sign up for something (say a free gift or access to a small part of the site) this should result in more people becoming paid members.

Well, that is what the TRIAL basically do. You allow member to enter, they can take a look, watch some content and navigate all the site. When they want to download, comment, interact or just see more content, they'll need to upgrade. No need to reinvent the wheel.

[Paul Markham]

Build a Tardis, set it for 2007, and you're good to go. LOL

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

A better way for porn sites would be to get people to join the site for free, then try to get them to join.

Your post should be stickied immediately, together with Paul Markham's "magic join links" tutorial!

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Cameltoepro

maybe like the old free site model. 3-4 pages. 15-20 photos and then the see more now link to the paysite.

Sounds like one gallery or FHG.

Nothing prevents trying that: get a domain, put one gallery into there and see what happens. I predict that not that much will happen.

[Princess Ellisa]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did I miss something while I've been in exile?

I thought Tube sites were free, had loads of good porn on them and no one needed t even join. LOL

Have also been in exile on a different island but laughed out loud when reading this as I had the same thought. Also equated it to the free trials... which of course we all know are not really free .... unless they are done without taking a credit card now?

That said after pondering a bit longer there is a potential difference...

If the Gambling sites are giving them that first $30 free just for their contact information.... without taking their credit card AND allowing them to play again also without getting their credit card then this differs from tubes ANd trials as it is a different type of hook than we currently offer.


It is a genuine Freebie in exchange for the right to continue to market to your interested party and get your money eventually. Yes at a glance it looks like an antiquated or been there done that approach. And it DOES work for a lot of industries... at this time I can't think of how it would apply to the paysites... we have dropped our drawers (both figuratively and literally) too far to straight give away something for emails.

While the tubes are a genuine freebie... generally they are sending the surfers to many different sites and are thus part of the marketing machine rather than than the client acquisition for any 1 company. There is no guaranteed return for the company that owns the content/site... they may just get a click or a page view.

What DVTimes is talking about is giving something to our clients like we see in mainstream that has a real value (not an ebook) and then start to build trust and confidence.

As for giving away a tangible free object that requires shipping, such as the VR Goggles, that is a great idea as it is much more involved and difficult to charge back when something has been shipped.

Maybe it is food for thought? Is there away to capture them and correspond beyond spamming, sending updates? Maybe. I don't know, but I am not sure I would dismiss it as a possibility. Anything is possible. I thought this industry was dead after the tube sites but yet here we all are! So anything is possible lol

Maybe things have changed and I am wrong... please feel free to bring me up to speed if I am ...I know you will lol

[Paul Markham]

The difference between the gambling industry model of ONCE giving away a freebie, and porn's model of ALWAYS giving it away for free.

Is so obvious even I see it. LOL

We now have a company employing people to upload 1,000 videos a week. And the Company after being inundated with applicants. Needs more.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Princess Ellisa

Have also been in exile on a different island but laughed out loud when reading this as I had the same thought. Also equated it to the free trials... which of course we all know are not really free .... unless they are done without taking a credit card now?

Customers are more educated in these days. Scamming them with free trials and asking credit card for age verification, etc. doesn't work that well anymore. Besides that sort of scamming is illegal in these days in where I live. Charging customer's credit card without clear consent from the customer is illegal. It just tightened about a year ago that what kind of consent is required.

Of course establishing company into Nigeria, etc. you can still scam people freely and legally, at least Nigerian wise.

In these kind of threads there is usually one big flaw. People forget that competition has increased. Yes, there are tubes, etc. but also shit load of more competitors than in back in the days. Applies to all online business.

In the times of hard competition; porn business, selling penis pills, etc. might be the only businesses where scamming customers is still seen as a viable option, at least by some companies/ individuals. However scamming people and selling the same shit, or worse shit than back in the days, with same price and with same "package" doesn't work that well and those who try it will slowly perish. I just recently read an article about "creative destruction" (it was study regarding my country's businesses and productivity). One important if not most important way to increase nation's productivity, is that some businesses go under or at least lose market share and also "employee share" to more productive companies. So, we can say with good heart "Bye, bye." to businesses those go under/ lose market share. Well, easier said than done, but that how societies go forward business wise.

[The Porn Nerd]

Wow, the amount of excuses in this thread for why people aren't making money with paysites is staggering! Excuse after excuse. It's fucking pathetic. No offense to anyone but think about this: why am I still here, growing, adding paysites on a monthly basis and acquiring other Affiliate Programs while those complaining/whining are not doing as well. How come?

HOW COME?

Think about it. Or continue your whining and excuse making because ALL that is doing is making yourself feel better for your own failure.

Carry on wayward sons.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Cameltoepro

maybe like the old free site model. 3-4 pages. 15-20 photos and then the see more now link to the paysite.

This is normally called a tour.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Most sites will only let you join if you pay for the site.

Well yes...that's why it's called a Pay site

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Wow, the amount of excuses in this thread for why people aren't making money with paysites is staggering! Excuse after excuse.

Carry on wayward sons.

Indeed. It is some degree of amusing to be sure. But at least you know the 'why'.