That was fast... a 4 Wheel drive electric pickup truck.

[2MuchMark]

Awesome!

VIA Motors | Extended-Range Electric Truck 402HP/100mpg

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[dyna mo]

you know what would be cool?

if they used wind to recharge the batteries instead of the gas engine. it doesn't take a large fan to start cranking out serious wattages. they could put 2 fans behind the front grill and any speed over 5mph is generating energy.

that's my idea, on the fly, off the cuff. i think it would work.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you know what would be cool?

if they used wind to recharge the batteries instead of the gas engine. it doesn't take a large fan to start cranking out serious wattages. they could put 2 fans behind the front grill and any speed over 5mph is generating energy.

that's my idea, on the fly, off the cuff. i think it would work.

It wouldn't work. The drag caused by the fans would make the whole thing inefficient.

[MaDalton]

yeah, awesome, it does 40 miles and the range extender is a 4.3l V6

i needed a laugh before heading off to bed and here we are.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

It wouldn't work. The drag caused by the fans would make the whole thing inefficient.

Have a little fun, or else I'll ask you for the math to back up your poopooing.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

yeah, awesome, it does 40 miles and the range extender is a 4.3l V6

i needed a laugh before heading off to bed and here we are.

That's pretty much what i was trying to have fun with.

[SBJ]

1,000lbs payload/towing? most wives weight 300+ so that means you are not towing shit with that thing unless you put your wife on a diet or leave her home

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

It wouldn't work. The drag caused by the fans would make the whole thing inefficient.

using lift-based wind turbine technology removes all drag.



i still think using drag-based turbines would work. the technology in the blades removes gobs of drag

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you know what would be cool?

if they used wind to recharge the batteries instead of the gas engine. it doesn't take a large fan to start cranking out serious wattages. they could put 2 fans behind the front grill and any speed over 5mph is generating energy.

that's my idea, on the fly, off the cuff. i think it would work.

Fuck that!!
According to Mark electricity is clean and free.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Have a little fun, or else I'll ask you for the math to back up your poopooing.

You brought up the idea my friend, you can back it up with some math. ;)

I'm sure it would not work, and here's why. To move the car as efficiently as possible, it has to be aerodynamic. If you introduce something like a turbine, you are increasing friction.

The question is: Can the increased friction be used to charge the car's batteries?

No, because no matter what, it can't be done efficiently. Not 100% of the increased friction can be converted into 100% electrical energy. Some of that air friction is lost to turbulence, or pushed to the side of the turbine instead of being used to turn the turbine, and some of it is lost to the mast that would hold the turbine up and away from the car. There is of course all that extra weight that the car needs to take long with it too.

I don't know the math, sorry, but I know the idea would not work.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

using lift-based wind turbine technology removes all drag.



i still think using drag-based turbines would work. the technology in the blades removes gobs of drag

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Dvae

Fuck that!!
According to Mark electricity is clean and free.

When did I ever say that?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

You brought up the idea my friend, you can back it up with some math. ;)

I'm sure it would not work, and here's why. To move the car as efficiently as possible, it has to be aerodynamic. If you introduce something like a turbine, you are increasing friction.

The question is: Can the increased friction be used to charge the car's batteries?

No, because no matter what, it can't be done efficiently. Not 100% of the increased friction can be converted into 100% electrical energy. Some of that air friction is lost to turbulence, or pushed to the side of the turbine instead of being used to turn the turbine, and some of it is lost to the mast that would hold the turbine up and away from the car. There is of course all that extra weight that the car needs to take long with it too.

I don't know the math, sorry, but I know the idea would not work.

that electric truck in your OP there? it has a drag coefficient in the upper .45s, easy, that's a wall. combined with the turbine blade technology and the lightweight materials wind turbines are made of and the ULTRA efficiency of wind power, wind turbines crank out massive amounts of power for their size and extremely efficiently.

285 watts out of this little beast, that's = 6 SIX solar panels 2 feet x 4 feet with direct sunlight on them



again, i was simply trying to add a bit of fun to your thread, don't be so quick to brush off things.

[dyna mo]

hah, i just remembered, you're anti-wind power on account of the birds!

[Choopa Phil]

What about the extra room/space needed to house these turbines? It would surely add additional weight as well since you would most likely need to make the chassis bigger to accommodate a turbine that could even charge such a battery. Takes power to make power in this case. I say throw some solar panels on all the sky facing body panels/bed

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hah, i just remembered, you're anti-wind power on account of the birds!

When did I ever say I was anti wind-power? You and Dvae... sheese!

Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, i was simply trying to add a bit of fun to your thread, don't be so quick to brush off things.

Oh, you...

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

What about the extra room/space needed to house these turbines? It would surely add additional weight as well since you would most likely need to make the chassis bigger to accommodate a turbine that could even charge such a battery. Takes power to make power in this case. I say throw some solar panels on all the sky facing body panels/bed

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

What about the extra room/space needed to house these turbines? It would surely add additional weight as well since you would most likely need to make the chassis bigger to accommodate a turbine that could even charge such a battery. Takes power to make power in this case. I say throw some solar panels on all the sky facing body panels/bed

i'm just playing around actually, but solar panels are not near efficient enough to do this. the surface space required + the fact they will never be angled right = not enough energy to recharge the batteries. 1 2x4 foot panel is rated at best under perfect conditions to crank out 100w, they never do that though, it's usually closer to 50w average. wind power is much much more efficient than solar.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

When did I ever say I was anti wind-power? You and Dvae... sheese!




Oh, you...

while i am just messing around, this guy is proving that the future could hold anything

One Man's Quest to Outrace Wind | WIRED

that has up till now assumed to be impossible- faster than the wind going directly with the wind. if the drag issue can be resolved here, i bet it could be resolved in wind turbine technology

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by **********

You brought up the idea my friend, you can back it up with some math. ;)

I'm sure it would not work, and here's why. To move the car as efficiently as possible, it has to be aerodynamic. If you introduce something like a turbine, you are increasing friction.

The question is: Can the increased friction be used to charge the car's batteries?

No, because no matter what, it can't be done efficiently. Not 100% of the increased friction can be converted into 100% electrical energy. Some of that air friction is lost to turbulence, or pushed to the side of the turbine instead of being used to turn the turbine, and some of it is lost to the mast that would hold the turbine up and away from the car. There is of course all that extra weight that the car needs to take long with it too.

I don't know the math, sorry, but I know the idea would not work.

Why not take some of the friction that's already just pushing on the car body for no reason and make it kinetic somehow? You know, not adding anything, just making the forces more efficient..

[Mickey_]

Can it roll coal, though?

[Rochard]

Looks like they have a van too.

This should come as no surprise - cars are getting lighter and batteries getting better and better. We will all be driving electric cars sooner or later.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Looks like they have a van too.

This should come as no surprise - cars are getting lighter and batteries getting better and better. We will all be driving electric cars sooner or later.

batteries are not getting better and better. battery tech is stagnant for the moment, and no, we will all not be driving electric sooner or later.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm just playing around actually, but solar panels are not near efficient enough to do this. the surface space required + the fact they will never be angled right = not enough energy to recharge the batteries. 1 2x4 foot panel is rated at best under perfect conditions to crank out 100w, they never do that though, it's usually closer to 50w average. wind power is much much more efficient than solar.

Of course, all in fun Dyna . Now the thing you really need to find out is how fast does the car need to get moving for that turbine to effectively and efficiently make power. What about traffic? Stop and go? City? Solar may actually give the upper hand if driving in those conditions. Can even take the heat harvested from the solar to have it spin some type of steam powered turbine? Worlds most efficient vehicle perhaps? haha

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by **********

It wouldn't work. The drag caused by the fans would make the whole thing inefficient.

??? See that massive front end that is 100% flat? Fans right there would not add any more drag that it already has.

Someone should give it a try.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

Of course, all in fun Dyna . Now the thing you really need to find out is how fast does the car need to get moving for that turbine to effectively and efficiently make power. What about traffic? Stop and go? City? Solar may actually give the upper hand if driving in those conditions. Can even take the heat harvested from the solar to have it spin some type of steam powered turbine? Worlds most efficient vehicle perhaps? haha

now that's a hybrid!

what would be really cool would be solar body panels and wind power. i've seen some flexible solar panels out already, they don't flex too much but i'm sure someone is working on a more flexible panel, just like they're working on more efficient panels, was reading about a panel breakthrough just recently that doubles panel efficiency, from ~20% to 40%.

[PAR]

Don't worry soon they wont need the gas engine Tesla will come out with a 40 mile extension cable...

[dyna mo]

a good overview on why we haven't had a battery tech breakthrough


Why Electric Cars Don't Have Better Batteries | MIT Technology Review

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

a good overview on why we haven't had a battery tech breakthrough


Why Electric Cars Don't Have Better Batteries | MIT Technology Review

Then make the streets electric, bumper cars figured that out years ago..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Then make the streets electric, bumper cars figured that out years ago..

excellent idea!


let's use wireless electricity!

[bronco67]

I noticed there's no mention of horsepower or torque -- which is precisely the type of thing that interests a potential big truck buyer. Who gives a shit if it can go 400 miles?

What can it can pull over 400 feet?

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I noticed there's no mention of horsepower or torque -- which is precisely the type of thing that interests a potential big truck buyer. Who gives a shit if it can go 400 miles?

What can it can pull over 400 feet?

Are you blind?

VIA Motors | Extended-Range Electric Truck 402HP/100mpg

and on the linked page:
Traction Motor Torque 415 Nm peak 210 Nm continuous

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by **********

I don't think so.


When did I ever say that?

You implied it back when you started the 'drivel' on the Volt.
When I called you on it you said most of your electricity was Hydro generated, therefore near zero pollution (which is true for that portion) other than that its the furtherest thing from the truth but for all you greenie weenies, facts don't matter.

Truth is most electricity is still generated by fossil fuel between coal and natural gas almost 70% in the US. Hydro is only about 6%. I understand Canada may be different but there are a lot more cars in US then in Canada.

As far as it being free every time you post about how much it costs you to run it as opposed to a nonelectric car.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Are you blind?

VIA Motors | Extended-Range Electric Truck 402HP/100mpg

and on the linked page:
Traction Motor Torque 415 Nm peak 210 Nm continuous

I guess I am blind.

[michael.kickass]

Awesome vehicle!

[AllAboutCams]

How about making an electric moter that drops in to the space of a car engine and the battery the size of a fuel tank and just convert old cars?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Dvae

You implied it back when you started the 'drivel' on the Volt.
When I called you on it you said most of your electricity was Hydro generated, therefore near zero pollution (which is true for that portion) other than that its the furtherest thing from the truth but for all you greenie weenies, facts don't matter.

Truth is most electricity is still generated by fossil fuel between coal and natural gas almost 70% in the US. Hydro is only about 6%. I understand Canada may be different but there are a lot more cars in US then in Canada.

As far as it being free every time you post about how much it costs you to run it as opposed to a nonelectric car.

Originally Posted by Dvae

Fuck that!!
According to Mark electricity is clean and free.

Hi Dvae,

I never said it was free, and never implied it. Your post above even confirms this, so you dun goofed.

How clean electricity is varies greatly from where you get it. As you correctly said, electricity is pretty clean here in Canada, and very clean in Quebec. It's also the cheapest in Quebec. It makes a lot of sense to drive electric here.

There are many other places in Canada such as Alberta that have 7 coal fired plants, and places in the US and around the world that generate electricity from Coal, so going EV is less green. However with some pressure by consumers, voters and politicians, maybe one day those carbon-electric plants can be replaced with something better.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

285 watts out of this little beast, that's = 6 SIX solar panels 2 feet x 4 feet with direct sunlight on them



again, i was simply trying to add a bit of fun to your thread, don't be so quick to brush off things.

Actually that's kinda cool. I wonder how much you would get if you attached a few more and then added solar panels to the top of the roof?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hah, i just remembered, you're anti-wind power on account of the birds!

No I'm not anti wind, despite the death to birds. It's unfortunate but turbines kill a lot less birds than buildings, cats and air pollution.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

batteries are not getting better and better. battery tech is stagnant for the moment, and no, we will all not be driving electric sooner or later.

Not true. A few years ago Tesla offered new batteries with better range for free to all Tesla Roadster owners. And just recently they announced a new 90kWh battery (up from 85kWh). And this year, Chevy is using new battery tech for better range on their EV's too.

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

How about making an electric moter that drops in to the space of a car engine and the battery the size of a fuel tank and just convert old cars?

Done!

EV Conversion Kits, EV West - Electric Vehicle Parts, Components, EVSE Charging Stations, Electric Car Conversion Kits





Shit!!! Just found this: Electric Camaro!
$55,000 Kit To Build Electric Camaro Offered By GM

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by **********

Actually that's kinda cool. I wonder how much you would get if you attached a few more and then added solar panels to the top of the roof?




No I'm not anti wind, despite the death to birds. It's unfortunate but turbines kill a lot less birds than buildings, cats and air pollution.




Not true. A few years ago Tesla offered new batteries with better range for free to all Tesla Roadster owners. And just recently they announced a new 90kWh battery (up from 85kWh). And this year, Chevy is using new battery tech for better range on their EV's too.




Done!

EV Conversion Kits, EV West - Electric Vehicle Parts, Components, EVSE Charging Stations, Electric Car Conversion Kits





Shit!!! Just found this: Electric Camaro!
$55,000 Kit To Build Electric Camaro Offered By GM

Great really for how much it costs thouse kits are around $7500 less battery

[SekobA]

Technology is going forward.very cool

[flashfire]

so a truck that can't tow anything...honestly whats the point?