Good news: Minimum wage is going up, some of you can start dancing

[CDSmith]

NYTimes -- New York Plans $15-an-Hour Minimum Wage for Fast Food Workers
By PATRICK McGEEHAN
The increase would represent a raise of more than 70 percent for workers earning the state's current minimum wage of $8.75 an hour.

?When New York acts, the rest of the states follow,? said Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, citing the state?s passage of the law making same-sex marriage legal. ?We?ve always been different, always been first, always been the most progressive.?

With the federal minimum wage at $7.25 an hour since 2009, labor and religious groups have pressed state and local governments to enact pay raises as their hopes dim for an increase by the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress.

La, Seattle, and San Francisco also have increased minimum wages in recent years.

Business groups and other critics slammed the decision as discriminatory because it singles out one industry, and legal challenges are expected.

Economists predicted the increases would ripple out to other restaurants and other industries that pay low wages. This event marks the first time that a state had raised the minimum wage for a particular industry.

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All the burger flippers out there can rejoice. Yay.

Give not a second thought to the fallout of this though. What might that fallout be I wonder?


?It will likely put pressure on employers in other industries to raise wages in order to compete for workers,? Irene Tung, a policy researcher for the National Employment Law Project, said.

Laura Jankowski, who owns three Tropical Smoothie cafes on Long Island, said she had already raised prices to offset the increase in the state minimum wage that took effect last year. Though she was not certain that the new wage rules would apply to her businesses, she feared customers would complain at paying much more than $4.99 for a 24-ounce drink.

Most likely, she said, she would have to make do with fewer workers, all of whom she said were high school or college students working part-time. ?It really is going to come to less people,? Ms. Jankowski said by telephone from her cafe in Port Jefferson Station. ?What I envision is cutting labor, hiring less people, having less people per shift.?


Already on Wednesday afternoon, some retail workers in Manhattan were wondering, what about us? ?We deserve it, too,? said Mary Gomes, 51, who works at a Duane Reade drugstore, where she said she earned $9.20 per hour.

Brittany Thomas, 20, who works at a Lady Foot Locker store, said it would not be fair to raise wages only for fast-food workers given that ?there are a lot of jobs that require more work than serving food.?


If you don't mind the price of your McHappy meal going up a few bucks then you're all good.

Let the dancing begin.

[PR_Glen]

inflation for all! yes!

[Sly]

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[crockett]

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

[atom]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

Says the guy who's never ran a normal business or employed people, ever and really has no clue what it means to have dozens of employees. BTW... "Fiscal responsibility" doesn't mean fixing every one else's lives for them. It simply means being responsible with money.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

wow. i'd put my flame suit on, post haste!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

Spoken like a man who has never had an employee.

[woj]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

yea, lets blame the businesses... when reality is that if these idiots spent half the time actually learning some useful trade that they spend on bitching/whining/protesting, they would all be making $25/hr by now...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Says the guy who's never ran a normal business or employed people, ever and really has no clue what it means to have dozens of employees. BTW... "Fiscal responsibility" doesn't mean fixing every one else's lives for them. It simply means being responsible with money.

You have no clue what I've done.. I had 3 business running at the same time by the time I was 21 and yes I had employees.

[MiamiBoyz]

Legalize prostitution.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Spoken like a man who has never had an employee.

No, spoken as a man whom understood how to hire people whom were worth paying a decent wage.

[mineistaken]

Good news to the lazies.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by crockett

You have no clue what I've done.. I had 3 business running at the same time by the time I was 21 and yes I had employees.

What happened to them?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

You have no clue what I've done.. I had 3 business running at the same time by the time I was 21 and yes I had employees.

So you're in favor of eliminating all "entry level" jobs? Everyone is entitled to drop out of school, and get a job that supports them comfortably for life?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

No, spoken as a man whom understood how to hire people whom were worth paying a decent wage.

The thing is that not all people are worth decent wage. Some are unskilled, slow, lazy and so on.

[dyna mo]

the early bird over/under for this thread is 4 pages

[L-Pink]

Want to know what the future of fast food workers is? Not hiring them.






This burger was made, start to finish with the help of a human.




http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...flipping-robot


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Want to know what the future of fast food workers is? Not hiring them.






This burger was made, start to finish with the help of a human.




http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...flipping-robot


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forced 70% wage increases will certainly hasten the transition.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

how are your business doing these days??

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by woj

yea, lets blame the businesses... when reality is that if these idiots spent half the time actually learning some useful trade that they spend on bitching/whining/protesting, they would all be making $25/hr by now...

you should be ashamed of yourself... anybody that sits around not doing shit deserves as much money as you, and you know it.... you're just a looser for studying hard to get your skills set

[L-Pink]

One employee keeping the machines "Tubes" loaded can stock a machine making up to 400 custom cooked, prepared, wrapped and bagged burgers per hour.





Wages go up 50%, employees needed goes down 75% thru automation.


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[MK Ultra]

I'm ok with this, time will tell how well it works out for New York, San Francisco, Seattle, LA or if it kills businesses and reduces jobs like some economists seem to think it will.

Then we can settle once and for all if the Federal Minimum Wage is a good thing or not. Which is probably why the left is pushing this so hard now before the inevitable effects from the experiment becomes noticeable.

VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR MORE FREE STUFF!

I think that $10 NY Big Mac may change a few minds.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

The thing is that not all people are worth decent wage. Some are unskilled, slow, lazy and so on.

Then you don't keep them.. I'll let you in on a lil secrect. I paid piece work, meaning they earned what they were worth. You give an employe incentive to work hard as in earning more, then most will.

If someone was an obvious loafer, then they didn't last long. I was doing this with a commercial lawn service and a commercial cleaning service meaning I was hiring low skill workers. This was back in the mid to late 90s and it was pretty common my guys would make around $400/week which was way over min wage then and still more than it is now.

I got out of both of those business after about 10 years, I started the lawn service when I was in 11th grade in HIgh Scool. Eventually I got tired of dealing with all of it and choose to do business which I could run on my own.

I've been around family members whom have had large businesses all my life. I realized it wasn't that important to me to work 80hr weeks to keep building a businesses. I decided I'd rather enjoy my life, which is what I do now.

[aka123]

We don't even have minimum wage, at all.

[Rochard]

I am still not sold on this idea.

I read an article yesterday about the end effect the $15 minimum wage in Seattle and the end result was interesting. It seems prices went up, but it didn't cause anyone to fall off of welfare.

Despite a booming economy throughout western Washington, the state?s welfare caseload has dropped very little since the higher wage phase began in Seattle in April. In March 130,851 people were enrolled in the Basic Food program. In April, the caseload dropped to 130,376.

This seems to have no positive effect, hasn't removed anyone off welfare, and only raised the prices for hundreds of thousands of people living there. Some restaurants are charging a 15% surcharge just to cover these costs.

I'm sorry, but paying someone $15/hour to work fast food just isn't reasonable.

Article: Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit | Fox News

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how are your business doing these days??

I got out of those businesses a long time ago. Since then, I only do things which I can run on my own.. Hence adult webmastering and now buying/selling stuff to flip.

I didn't get out of those businesses because of employees or the income, but rather the lack of time to do what I wanted. Businesses like that are like a ball and chain and I'm not someone whom could go hands off and let someone else run it.

[flashfire]

many business owners don't make $15 per hour when you count the time they actually put in...and they are taking all the risk

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

You have no clue what I've done.. I had 3 business running at the same time by the time I was 21 and yes I had employees.

Yeah. I'm sure. You speak and sound like a businessman for sure. A nomadic businessman that lives in his vehicle. It's clear that you have seen success in business because you think you can just radically raise operational/production costs without significant consequences or crippling/destroying a business. This may lead a lessor person who didn't know you that you are both naive and are horrible at even basic math. But i know better.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yeah. I'm sure. You speak and sound like a businessman for sure. A nomadic businessman that lives in his vehicle.

Businesses with no fixed overhead, capital outlay of a few lawn-mowers and cleaning products. Employees were probably using their own vehicles, getting paid as subcontractors with no-one paying or matching FICA taxes. Fucking hilarious.

While I applaud his early hard working efforts he's clueless about the op's subject.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Feed the machine and the skilled that design and build them

Who eats ratburgers anyway>

[woj]

Originally Posted by crockett

I didn't get out of those businesses because of employees or the income, but rather the lack of time to do what I wanted. Businesses like that are like a ball and chain and I'm not someone whom could go hands off and let someone else run it.

That's bullshit dude and you know it... you were making fuck all, that's why you shut it down... no one EVER shuts down a highly profitable business... they either sell it, or they hire a manager to run it for them... but in your case, there was not enough profit to sell it or to pay for a competent manager, so your only play was to shut it down...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Yeah. I'm sure. You speak and sound like a businessman for sure. A nomadic businessman that lives in his vehicle. It's clear that you have seen success in business because you think you can just radically raise operational/production costs without significant consequences or crippling/destroying a business. This may lead a lessor person who didn't know you that you are both naive and are horrible at even basic math. But i know better.

No, I'm someone whom does what I want. I got lucky early on and made good with my first two businesses. My 3rd was selling used cars and I lost my ass on it. I'm great at buying and selling, but I jumped in head first and got in over my head.

I've done good and bad with business and I've had a job or two in between them. I'm not someone whom can stay doing the same thing for years. I get bored and need to do something else.

Right now I'm doing exactly what I enjoy doing. I have zero bills and zero responsibility and its fucking awesome. Since I was in high school I worked my ass off and wasn't out enjoying myself I worked instead. Eventually I realized I was working my life away for things which really were not important to me.

You can talk down to me all you want and be your angry little self over what I do, but I can assure you, you have no clue what real freedom is until you have done what I'm doing. A bum on the street has more freedom than you have and even my self, but it's something you likely will never understand.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by woj

That's bullshit dude and you know it... you were making fuck all, that's why you shut it down... no one EVER shuts down a highly profitable business... they either sell it, or they hire a manager to run it for them... but in your case, there was not enough profit to sell it or to pay for a competent manager, so your only play was to shut it down...

I never said it was highly profitable, I said I made good money. Lawn services are not highly profitable. It's a service business, you make x percentage profit.. The more you do the more profit you make, but it's limited.

The diffrence is I wasn't greedy. I decided upfront when I bid a job, my labor was going to be x amount.. ( 40% payout to a crew) I paid that 40% regardless of the hours it took to complete the job. I had crews of 2 to 3 guys and that percentage of 40% per job was split between them.

Example say a job paid $100/month on a yearly contract. The pay was $40/mth for that job or $10/week. Split between 2 guys that's $5 each guy per week on that job. Those 2 guys are going to do on average 20-25 of those type of jobs each day. Meaning on average they are making about $100 a day each.

After expenses I made about 20 30% profit off a crew on average. I also ran my own crew which did most of my big commercial jobs. As I said I was hands on.

If a new guy didn't preform, then the guy running the truck was loosing money and working longer hours, so it was in their interest to help me keep guys whom preformed. It didn't matter to my costs if a new guy was a loafer, it mattered to the guy he worked with so it was the guy running the truck whom had to make an effort into making sure his helper was worth his percentage.

It's a very simple concept, of course it's not going to work for burger flippers, but it worked very well for me. As for getting rid of the businesses, as I said I got bored and very burnt out, I let my brother take over the lawn service and he thought he would be mr big guy and drive around in a truck all day not running the main crew..

He killed it in less than a year, I was doing my auto sales and the cleaning company at that time and basicly handed him the keys to that business.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

One employee keeping the machines "Tubes" loaded

Fucking tubes all over.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by aka123

Fucking tubes all over.

That's exactly what I was thinking as I typed it, lol.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by crockett

I got out of both of those business after about 10 years, I started the lawn service when I was in 11th grade in HIgh Scool. Eventually I got tired of dealing with all of it and choose to do business which I could run on my own.

Or, more to the point, you got audited, ended up with over blown workforce development, state and US treasury tax liens then became another shut down business 'trophy' on an IRS agents wall. And... still pretend to support the system.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

Oh jeez

[crockett]

Originally Posted by noshit

Or, more to the point, you got audited, ended up with over blown workforce development, state and US treasury tax liens then became another shut down business 'trophy' on an IRS agents wall. And... still pretend to support the system.

I see your avatar, represents your real life. Your brains are fried..

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by crockett

I didn't get out of those businesses because of employees or the income, but rather the lack of time to do what I wanted. Businesses like that are like a ball and chain and I'm not someone whom could go hands off and let someone else run it.

You're a failure just admit it!

You do not talk like a business owner, everyone who has ever owned a business knows you're full of shit.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

You're a failure just admit it!

You do not talk like a business owner, everyone who has ever owned a business knows you're full of shit.

Even today most lawn care guys aren't commercially insured, don't declare taxes, pay helpers cash, don't withhold FICA yet alone employer match it. No way was workers comp being paid. It's an under the table cash business where a wal-mart capital outlay of $500 for equipment puts you in business.

Again not saying it's not hard work just irrelevant when compared to the subject discussed.


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[crockett]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

You're a failure just admit it!

You do not talk like a business owner, everyone who has ever owned a business knows you're full of shit.

You think I'm full of shit, but you could get off your ass go mow some yards and run a business right now using my old business model and make a profit. It's a very simple concept as long as you are smart enough to bid your jobs properly.

Hell I'll even tell you how to bid govt jobs. It's called the freedom of information act. If you know your local city/county/state gives out a specific contract each year to the lowest bidder, this is like money in the bank.

Say your city bids out the grass cutting of all your local parks (most cities do). Usually up to 3 months before the new bid goes out, you can file a freedom of information act for the previous year's contract. You now know what the winning bid was for the previous year for that contract.

Yes, my company had a lot of local city/county contracts.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Even today most lawn care guys aren't commercially insured, don't declare taxes, pay helpers cash, don't withhold FICA yet alone employer match it. No way was workers comp being paid. It's an under the table cash business where a wal-mart capital outlay of $500 for equipment puts you in business.

Again not saying it's not hard work just irrelevant when compared to the subject discussed.


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We had to be, because of local govt contracts. Also in FL, even back then you had a little red tag you had to hang from your mirror (looked like a handy capped tag) which showed you were licensed and insured. You could only get that tag, if you were lic and insured and cops would check them, at least in my area.

[tony286]

You guys act like $15 dollars is big money. Try living on $15 an hour and come back and tell me what a cushie wage it is. lol
Also people dont seem to grasp,tax payers are making up the difference right now. Alot of these people would of been factory workers and those jobs are gone. The avg min wage worker is 29 yrs old. I cant remember the last time I saw a kid working one of these jobs.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Even today most lawn care guys aren't commercially insured, don't declare taxes, pay helpers cash, don't withhold FICA yet alone employer match it. No way was workers comp being paid. It's an under the table cash business where a wal-mart capital outlay of $500 for equipment puts you in business.

Again not saying it's not hard work just irrelevant when compared to the subject discussed.


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I did start like that, I won't try to lie. In high school, I had a 4 door Pontiac pheniox. Total shit car, I ripped the back seats out and would stuff a push mower, weed eater ect.. In the trunk. I started that biz with literally shit of anything. I actually got my first riding mower, by making a deal with my mail man for his. I cut his grass for 6 months for that thing.

I was in a class called DCT at school during my 11th and 12th grade, if you had good enough grades you could do it and get out of school early to work a job and it counted as credits. I ran my own business doing lawns while in that program.

The local airport authority owned a big trailer park and I used to cut all their vacant lawns very cheap ( like slave labor cheap, but fuck it I was young and it's how I started) The head maintance guy signed my paper work for the class and gave my reviews.. My teacher knew what was going on but she let it slide as long as my paper work was signed.

Yes my first 2 years before I was even 18 I was uninsured, but I was always licensed..

[AdultKing]

Minium wage in Australia is $17.29 per hour, which is $12.72 USD right now.

The median house price in Melbourne is over $600,000 and in Sydney is around $1million as a guide to cost of living here.

$15 USD sounds like a good deal.

[SuckOnThis]

Hilarious to see all the educated degree holding porn pushers whining about fast food workers making to much money.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by crockett

The simple fact is, if your business can't afford to pay a full time worker a wage which keeps them out of poverty, then your business is being subsidized by the state and federal govt (and tax payers) and is operating as a leech to the system.

I'll put it another way, if your business can't afford to pay its workers above the poverty level, then your business model is a failure and you should be having a going out of business sale.

It's called fiscal responsibility and as a employer it's your responsibility to pay a livable wage.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by tony286

You guys act like $15 dollars is big money. Try living on $15 an hour and come back and tell me what a cushie wage it is. lol
Also people dont seem to grasp,tax payers are making up the difference right now. Alot of these people would of been factory workers and those jobs are gone. The avg min wage worker is 29 yrs old. I cant remember the last time I saw a kid working one of these jobs.

Um so it is currently operational business' fault that factory jobs are gone? they should be punished for it and pick up the slack?

"Tax payers are making up the difference now"....
Why are tax payers making up the difference? Government is giving out handouts through taxes, has nothing to do with a business. It is not the business' fault that there is an extreme number of government programs.

"avg min wage worker is 29 yrs old"
Again WHY is that a currently operational business' fault? MAYBE just MAYBE the government doesn't provide a quality environment to run a business and create jobs in?

The way some of you people think and supposedly run a successful business (which i am pretty sure you don't) is hilarious to me.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by crockett

I did start like that, I won't try to lie. In high school, I had a 4 door Pontiac pheniox. Total shit car, I ripped the back seats out and would stuff a push mower, weed eater ect.. In the trunk. I started that biz with literally shit of anything. I actually got my first riding mower, by making a deal with my mail man for his. I cut his grass for 6 months for that thing.

I was in a class called DCT at school during my 11th and 12th grade, if you had good enough grades you could do it and get out of school early to work a job and it counted as credits. I ran my own business doing lawns while in that program.

The local airport authority owned a big trailer park and I used to cut all their vacant lawns very cheap ( like slave labor cheap, but fuck it I was young and it's how I started) The head maintance guy signed my paper work for the class and gave my reviews.. My teacher knew what was going on but she let it slide as long as my paper work was signed.

Yes my first 2 years before I was even 18 I was uninsured, but I was always licensed..

So you run your business' illegally and then complain about legal business' operation? /facepalm