Navy to prosecute Chattanooga hero

[Grapesoda]

According to former congressman and retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Allen West, the U.S. Navy has decided to bring charges against the naval officer who fired his personal weapon at Mohammad hahahahahahaha Abdulazeez during the ISIS supporter?s July 16 attack on the Chattanooga U.S. Naval and Marine Reserve Center.

Abdulazeez, armed with a handgun and an assault rifle, killed four Marines and one sailor.

In the posting on his website Saturday, West wrote:

?Ladies and gents, resulting from the text message I received yesterday, I can confirm that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property.

?The text message asked if it would be possible for Lt. Cmdr. White to reach out to me. To wit I replied, ?Affirmative.??

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Following the attack, several military officials with knowledge of the internal investigation on the shooting reported White ? the commanding officer for the Navy Operational Support Center ? likely fired his personal weapon at Abdulazeez. Reports said one of the murdered Marines, armed with his own personal 9mm Glock, possibly engaged the shooter as well.

Killed were Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David Wyatt, Sgt. Carson Holmquist and Lance Cpl. Squire Wells, as well as Navy petty officer second class Randall Smith.

Department of Defense regulations prohibit most service members from being armed on U.S. soil, including most personnel at reserves and recruiting centers like the ones in Chattanooga. Only law enforcement or service members who are acting as military police are allowed to carry weapons on such properties.

This infallible argument for armed self-defense presents real stories of Americans fighting back ? and surviving because they were armed. ?America Fights Back: Armed Self-Defense In A Violent Age? is a must-read for anyone who has ever wondered if concealed carry can actually save and protect.

The attacker was a naturalized American citizen, but was born in Kuwait to Jordanian parents and had traveled to Jordan for a seven-month stay last year.

Abdulazeez opened fire on the first facility, a recruiting office, from his rented, silver Mustang convertible and never got out. No one was hit. He then went to a joint Marine-Navy facility about seven miles away.

Officer White confirmed Thursday to the Knoxville Free Press that he had used his personal weapon to try to fend off Abdulazeez.

White, who has served in the Navy for 13 years, moved to Chattanooga in April with his wife and six kids ? and a seventh on the way. His wife, Franicia White, said she supports her husband?s actions that day.

?He values human life enough to protect his sailors and others,? she said. ?I am honored to be his wife and stand by him 100 percent.?

Whether or not the shots fired by White or the unnamed Marine struck Abdulazeez has not been reported.

?What kind of freaking idiots are in charge of our Armed Forces ? pardon me, our ?unArmed Forces??? said West in his posting.

?What would they prefer ? that Abdulazeez had been able to kill all the Marines and sailors at the Naval Support Reserve Center?

?Let me draw an interesting contrast: Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus is more concerned about lifting the ban on transgendered sailors. Mabus has a problem in that for the first time since 2007 the U.S. Navy will not have a carrier battle group operating in the Persian Gulf. But this knucklehead has no problem with the Navy seeking to destroy the career of a sailor, a commander of an installation, returning fire against an Islamic jihadist attack.

?I do not care if it was his personal weapon, he deserves a medal for facing the enemy.?

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WND revealed two days ago a new report saying the U.S. military is authorizing service members who are at remote locations ? such as a recruitment center ? to be armed, even if they?re not in law enforcement.

According to a report at The Hill, Defense Secretary Ash Carter has signed a new memo specifying that qualified troops can be armed, on orders from their commanders, at locations such as the off-base reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Carter had cited the Chattanooga shooting as evidence of the ?continuing threat to DOD personnel.?

?This incident and the ongoing threat underscore the need for DOD to review its force protection and security policies, programs and procedures, particularly for off-installation DOD facilities.?

The change in policy notwithstanding, Cmdr. White will not be spared, according to West?s sources.

?Can you imagine the message this sends to ISIS and all the enemies of America? West asked. ?We are going to end his career and court-martial a man who drew his sidearm to protect his command, and the assigned sailors and Marines.

?Are they just supposed to sit and be butchered, gunned down, until local law enforcement come along? Let?s be very clear here, I can attest that there are many reserve and National Guard troops who are carrying concealed during their drill periods ? why? Because they are lions, not sheep, like the imbeciles who are making the decision to punish Lt. Cmdr. White.

?Here?s what needs to happen. Flood the phone of SecNav Ray Mabus and SecDef Carter and ask them whose side they?re on. Demand the charges being brought against Lt.Cmdr White be immediately dropped. If those charges are not dropped, I will personally lead the charge to have Carter and Mabus removed from their positions.?

On Wednesday, a petition was filed at the White House website asking President Obama to ?honor our brave men ? who saved lives by returning fire.?

?But for the gallant actions under enemy fire of LCDR Tim White and his men, many more lives would have been lost that day,? the petition reads.

We petition the President to honor our brave men by presenting medals for bravery to LCDR White and all of the service members, including the fallen, who saved lives by returning fire.

?What he did there was a very brave thing,? Michael Seewald, a friend of White?s who signed the petition, told the Knoxville Free Press. ?It would be so easy for somebody to just try to get away and escape, but he tried to defend the people there. I?m not sure that was in the protocol for what they were supposed to be doing, but I think he felt he had a responsibility to protect his people.?

The White House petition must reach at least 100,000 signatures by Aug. 28 in order to get a response from the administration.

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[L-Pink]

That's fucked up.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

This infallible argument for armed self-defense presents real stories of Americans fighting back – and surviving because they were armed. “America Fights Back: Armed Self-Defense In A Violent Age” is a must-read for anyone who has ever wondered if concealed carry can actually save and protect.

America fights back America. Wouldn't more appropriate slogan be "Americans shoot each other."?

[ClaireMonroe]

WTF? I'm so sick of this crap.

[Joshua G]

good thing the sailor didnt fire the killshot, they mighta charged him with murder!

[aka123]

That guy broke the law. Based on previous discussions that is enough to throw that (fucking) criminal into jail for forever. Without trial of course.

[ClaireMonroe]

Let me get this straight, so we can't conceal carry in many states because it's getting harder and harder to get a weapon. In some states such as my dufus state you can't open carry either. You can't rely on the military to protect you from these jerks because they can't shoot them and all of the libs want to give police rubber bullets and stun guns instead of real weapons. Good God we're doomed.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

good thing the sailor didnt fire the killshot, they mighta charged him with murder!

don't worry blacks across America will protest this injustice while Sharpton and all the black entertainers plus ben afflac will protest

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by ClaireMonroe

Let me get this straight, so we can't conceal carry in many states because it's getting harder and harder to get a weapon. In some states such as my dufus state you can't open carry either. You can't rely on the military to protect you from these jerks because they can't shoot them and all of the libs want to give police rubber bullets and stun guns instead of real weapons. Good God we're doomed.

obamas new America

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by aka123

That guy broke the law. Based on previous discussions that is enough to throw that (fucking) criminal into jail for forever. Without trial of course.

Of course, we never have trials in the US.

[MrBottomTooth]

Scary that someone high up could possibly think this was the correct course of action. If they make bad decisions like this just imagine all the other fucked up things they do that you don't hear about. Whoever went forward with this plan of action needs to lose their job.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's fucked up.

Agreed - what a fucked up world we live in at times.

[MetaMan]

The attacker was muslim, i am sure he was just wearing weapons as part of his religious attire. I have a hard time believing a muslim (religion of peace) would attack complete strangers wanting to kill them.

I think the best of course of action would have been to ask the attacker NICELY to please let us know his demands. I'm sure we could have women wearing burkas and bring back prohibition to appease him.

I believe the best course of action is for Obama to write a speech, apologize to the muslims (plus the blacks) and blame the white guys for causing this mess.

[ClaireMonroe]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

The attacker was muslim, i am sure he was just wearing weapons as part of his religious attire. I have a hard time believing a muslim (religion of peace) would attack complete strangers wanting to kill them.

I think the best of course of action would have been to ask the attacker NICELY to please let us know his demands. I'm sure we could have women wearing burkas and bring back prohibition to appease him.

I believe the best course of action is for Obama to write a speech, apologize to the muslims (plus the blacks) and blame the white guys for causing this mess.

who in the hell are you? dianne feinstein? (i know, you're kidding)

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

The attacker was muslim, i am sure he was just wearing weapons as part of his religious attire. I have a hard time believing a muslim (religion of peace) would attack complete strangers wanting to kill them.

I think the best of course of action would have been to ask the attacker NICELY to please let us know his demands. I'm sure we could have women wearing burkas and bring back prohibition to appease him.

I believe the best course of action is for Obama to write a speech, apologize to the muslims (plus the blacks) and blame the white guys for causing this mess.

His room mate was at the gay pride parade in Jerusalem last weekend. Patting people on the back with a knife - you know, showin his support.

[Rochard]

What most people do not begin to understand is that he really isn't being charged with a crime in the regular sense, but instead is being charged under the UCMJ - Uniform Code Of Military Justice. In very simple terms if your orders or rules state you may not carry a firearm while on durty and you violate those orders or rules, guess what.... You get charged. I am not saying I agree with this, but his said "no firearms" and it seems he did in fact have a firearm.

[ClaireMonroe]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What most people do not begin to understand is that he really isn't being charged with a crime in the regular sense, but instead is being charged under the UCMJ - Uniform Code Of Military Justice. In very simple terms if your orders or rules state you may not carry a firearm while on durty and you violate those orders or rules, guess what.... You get charged. I am not saying I agree with this, but his said "no firearms" and it seems he did in fact have a firearm.

which was pass by truman and his democratic majority. looks like they mucked up again.

[bronco67]

The only thing in the world that both Grapesoda and I find ridiculous.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

obamas new America

Thanks, Obama.

[buyandsell]

any reputable news source to confirm this?
I don't think so

[Barry-xlovecam]

Unfortunately, he probably did violate Military Laws

Carrying of Firearms and Use of Force for Law Enforcement and Security Duties

Guilty as charged. Suspended minimum sentence and payment of a token fine. Then change the law to fit the specific circumstances.

Servicemen in public areas are terrorist targets and there should be reasonable exemptions and latitude on soldiers bearing arms on US soil for purposes of self defense. You don't send unarmed soldiers into harms way.

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's fucked up.

[EliteWebmaster]

That's what is wrong with america these days. They should be giving him a medal, instead they want to give him a cell. POS bureaucrats

[EliteWebmaster]

We petition the President to honor our brave men by presenting medals for bravery to LCDR White and all of the service members, including the fallen, who saved lives by returning fire.

Yeah good luck with that, our pussy of a president would rather give the ISIS shithead Abdulazeez a medal than to honor our true american heroes like the soldiers of this great land that fight for freedom, justice and to keep america safe.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's fucked up.

It's fake BS. There is zero truth to it. This is just a completly made up article by a gun supporting sites trying to make people outraged and scared the govt is gonna take their guns away. The entire article is bull shit and lies.. The navy has even gone so far to deny there is any charges being pressed or pending.

The entire article reads like a spin job, I can't believe you guys can read this and not get skeptical. The moment I started reading it, it sounded like BS so I spent 2 seconds on Google to find it was fake BS spread by gun nutters trying to make people outraged..

Typical far right BS..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by buyandsell

any reputable news source to confirm this?
I don't think so

There is none because it's a fake story and all the "hate the govt types" fall for the bait, hook line and sinker..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What most people do not begin to understand is that he really isn't being charged with a crime in the regular sense, but instead is being charged under the UCMJ - Uniform Code Of Military Justice. In very simple terms if your orders or rules state you may not carry a firearm while on durty and you violate those orders or rules, guess what.... You get charged. I am not saying I agree with this, but his said "no firearms" and it seems he did in fact have a firearm.

jtfc.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster

We petition the President to honor our brave men by presenting medals for bravery to LCDR White and all of the service members, including the fallen, who saved lives by returning fire.

Yeah good luck with that, our pussy of a president would rather give the ISIS shithead Abdulazeez a medal than to honor our true american heroes like the soldiers of this great land that fight for freedom, justice and to keep america safe.

Obama is pretty busy with black thugs and gay people right now

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

That's fucked up.

He wouldn't have been charged if his last name wasn't white.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by crockett

There is none because it's a fake story and all the "hate the govt types" fall for the bait, hook line and sinker..

thanks obama

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

thanks obama

[aka123]

In simple: he carried gun illegally. Shouldn't he be punished for that?

What about all he "crisp" guys carrying guns illegally?




EDIT: Doesn't matter whether this case is real or not. I am just asking question.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

There is none because it's a fake story

I sure do hope you're right

[_Richard_]

right and wrong:

Roy Exum: Navy Denies Any Charges - Chattanoogan.com

they had weapons and they shouldn't have. while there is no charges currently, the fact they found weapons will be subject to review, as required by law

[Va2k]

ONLY IN THE GOOD OLE USFUCKEDA grrr

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's fake BS. There is zero truth to it. This is just a completly made up article by a gun supporting sites trying to make people outraged and scared the govt is gonna take their guns away. The entire article is bull shit and lies.. The navy has even gone so far to deny there is any charges being pressed or pending.

The entire article reads like a spin job, I can't believe you guys can read this and not get skeptical. The moment I started reading it, it sounded like BS so I spent 2 seconds on Google to find it was fake BS spread by gun nutters trying to make people outraged..

Typical far right BS..

What ever, fucking lame. Every time there is a new president there is a scare that they are going to pass new laws to ban weapons and firearms and suddenly people are buying up ammo so much that it's hard to buy.

People are just retarded.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What ever, fucking lame. Every time there is a new president there is a scare that they are going to pass new laws to ban weapons and firearms and suddenly people are buying up ammo so much that it's hard to buy.

People are just retarded.

It's not about everytime there is a new president.. This type of shit goes on non stop from Right Wing mailing lists. They are always spreading bullshit which is loosely based on a real story but full of "agenda". This shit is always chain mails and Facebook posts and almost always lies which they believe hook line and sinker because it's always supporting what they want to believe.. Ie hero white guy, rapist illegals, hero with the gun, big bad govt.. Ect..ect..

I honestly wish a major university or some group with the ability and the means would actually track where these bullshit stories come from. I would bet you anything they come from right wing think tanks.

In the one study I've heard of, in which a study like this was preformed, they took aim at anti science and pro Relgious chain mails and they all came back to a pro-creationism think tank.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by aka123

In simple: he carried gun illegally. Shouldn't he be punished for that?

What about all he "crisp" guys carrying guns illegally?

EDIT: Doesn't matter whether this case is real or not. I am just asking question.

People in the military are subject to an entirely different set of rules. The reason for this are simple - In some countries or combat zones, there is no government, no police forces, and in some cases no laws. In other cases, they might be at sea or something similar.

Military law includes items that do not apply in civilian law - things like "conduct unbecoming", UA / AWOL, desperation, and "failure to follow orders". In the civilian workplace if you fail to show up to work or tell your boss "no" you might get suspended or even fired. In the military you would get fined, demoted, jailed, or potentially discharged.

In this case, it seems his only crime was failure to obey an order (or perhaps they will call it a rule or guideline). If the Navy decided to press the issue it might result in a slap on the wrist.

This is really no different than the civilian workplace. If your job says "no personal firearms" and you get into a shoot out at the office, well, you are violation of company policy and they have the right to punish you.

[dyna mo]

how the libs can spin this into a * the new president is taking our guns away so people are stocking up on ammo* story defies every bit of logic on the planet.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Rochard

People in the military are subject to an entirely different set of rules. The reason for this are simple - In some countries or combat zones, there is no government, no police forces, and in some cases no laws. In other cases, they might be at sea or something similar.

Military law includes items that do not apply in civilian law - things like "conduct unbecoming", UA / AWOL, desperation, and "failure to follow orders". In the civilian workplace if you fail to show up to work or tell your boss "no" you might get suspended or even fired. In the military you would get fined, demoted, jailed, or potentially discharged.

Maybe you are just making a point; for presentation, but at least we don't have a separate military laws. Of course there are laws named like "Military conduct" or something like that, but those are regular laws anyways.

Anyhow, my point is that at least around here the laws about military are just as serious shit as laws about civilians, usually even more. It is nowhere the same thing than some rules in common workplace. Army has regular workplace rules too, but many of the army's workplace rules are backed up by law. AKA breaking work place rule is breaking the law.

So, to make my point even simpler: there is no need to downplay army's rules.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

how the libs can spin this into a * the new president is taking our guns away so people are stocking up on ammo* story defies every bit of logic on the planet.

Don't be such a fucking idiot. You have been shown this story is fake. Almost a complete fabercation, yet you still blame liberals.

You are the exact target audience this propaganda piece was aimed at. People whom lack critical thinking nor the want to search out the truth, but rather believe what is said as long as it fits your opinions.

[suesheboy]

I am a gun carrying NRA member for more than 35 years with a Conceal Permit from FL and I both open and conceal carry in TN and NC.

I not read the entire OP, but knowing what I know and how I feel, here is my take on the deal.

1) He should be prosecuted for a weapons violation as he broke the law by having the gun where is is forbidden by law to have it.

There are many place I can not bring a gun: post office, schools, airport, places that serve alcohol and in some states banks. Knowingly bringing a gun there where I know I am forbidden to does not make a hero, it makes me a criminal. Out of habit before walking into such places I always tap my right side where my holster is as well as front and back pockets where I may have a .380 in a pocket holster.

2) As for discharging the weapon, he should not have any further charges against him as the act to do so was justifiable.

There is a clear reason why service members not engaged in military action or on active guard duty on US soil in times of peace should not be armed.

If you break the law, you should be charged. If you do not like the law, work to have it changed.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Don't be such a fucking idiot. You have been shown this story is fake. Almost a complete fabercation, yet you still blame liberals.

You are the exact target audience this propaganda piece was aimed at. People whom lack critical thinking nor the want to search out the truth, but rather believe what is said as long as it fits your opinions.

you really want to make it personal with me? you really are a bigger dumbfuck than you think i think you are because that post wasn't even about you. a fake fucking story about this guy has exactly ZERO to do with a new president taking guns away and people stocking up on ammo and you think my pointing that out is an opportunity for you to get personal?

you're the one falling for rochard's bullshit commentary, fuck, even the non-english speaking gfyers aren't falling for that tripe.

buckle up you stupid fucking nitwit because i'm going to derail every fucking post of yours i feel like going forward.

[dyna mo]

i lack critical thinking because i don't fall for a fuckwad troll spinning this into the new president is coming for your guns story?



what a dumbfuck.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i lack critical thinking because i don't fall for a fuckwad troll spinning this into the new president is coming for your guns story?



what a dumbfuck.

You lack critical thinking in this topic because it fed into the agenda you believe in. Hence you taking the bait hook line and sinker. You didn't stop to think, hum this sounds like BS, maybe I should investigate before blabbing.. You like others just went to blabbing even after it was said to be fake by others whom didn't lack critical thinking..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

You lack critical thinking in this topic because it fed into the agenda you believe in. Hence you taking the bait hook line and sinker. You didn't stop to think, hum this sounds like BS, maybe I should investigate before blabbing.. You like others just went to blabbing and still went on after it was said to be fake by others whom didn't lack critical thinking..

you stupid dumbfuck, you waxed right past my post lolling the living fuck out of that troll rochard's post where he schooling everybody on why this guy is getting prosecuted by the fucking Marines. you can't figure that shit out so you point your fuckwad dumfuck finger at me and exclaim i lack critical thinking because i fell for the fucking story?

godfuckingdamn man you are stupid fucking fuckwad.