Seriously - why has no one in this industry ever thought of this?

[MaDalton]

sounds reasonable

[Relic]

I like pool

[VSKevin]

I think I'm lost. Does this mean they.. err... "finished"? Lol

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

sounds reasonable

There is a prominent site which does this (but a bit more scientifically) with it's featured videos.

[Robbie]

I'm thinking that there used to be this old fashioned way of sorting porn videos. I know it sounds archaic now.

The way it worked was this...
Porn Vids in the members area: All of them.
Porn Vids for free: None.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm thinking that there used to be this old fashioned way of sorting porn videos. I know it sounds archaic now.

The way it worked was this...
Porn Vids in the members area: All of them.
Porn Vids for free: None.

Ah the good old days

The genie is out of the bottle in that regard I'm afraid.

The only hope for infringed parties is suing infringing sites or making partner deals that include the fast exclusion of unauthorised content.

It's not ideal, but it's reality now.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by VSKevin

I think I'm lost. Does this mean they.. err... "finished"? Lol

exactly

[8pt-buck]

No money in porn

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck

No money in porn

Plenty of money in stealing it and giving it away to draw traffic to sell.

[PaperstreetWinston]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Plenty of money in stealing it and giving it away to draw traffic to sell.

Its insane.

Everything continues to get worse with how these tube giants compete for traffic.

They offer ridiculously better and better quality porn for free making it harder and harder for paysite advertisers to make biz

[EngineCash]

I like this blonde babe... And idea is not so bad...

[johnny_r]

:D great idea, never thought of this! But you would have to track the time the user stayed before he left..

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm thinking that there used to be this old fashioned way of sorting porn videos. I know it sounds archaic now.

The way it worked was this...
Porn Vids in the members area: All of them.
Porn Vids for free: None.

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Ah the good old days

The genie is out of the bottle in that regard I'm afraid.

The only hope for infringed parties is suing infringing sites or making partner deals that include the fast exclusion of unauthorised content.

It's not ideal, but it's reality now.

originally i just thought it was a fun idea and then it was turned into a piracy thread right away

but then i thought: there is something that shows the fundamental problem here

Robbie - when you say "Porn Vids in the members area: All of them." the underlying issue with this is: there were millions of cookie cutter sites with 20 vids for $39.95
of course you do not need a search function for that

then the tubes came along - and free or not - they offered what people wanted: huge amounts of content and not being screwed over

and the tubes were way ahead in technology - streaming, favorites, rating, commenting and search

let's be honest - this is how markets work - the lack of something on one side opens an opportunity on the other side

I had been arguing for hours on here about streaming years ago and was told that surfers don't want that and that no one is going to pay for it

anyone not offering streaming today?

and who streamed porn first and made you adapt?

i said it before and i'll say it again: most paysite owners dug their own grave by just trying to grab money the easy way whilst thinking it will go on like that forever

and i watched my clients disappear while those that adapted are still there

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by johnny_r

:D great idea, never thought of this! But you would have to track the time the user stayed before he left..

and this fits right into my last post:

tube people are data junkies, they analyze the shit out of their traffic. they could do it.

which paysite owner does that with his own customers?

[Paul Markham]

How about sorting by the number of minutes viewed / the length?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Relic

I like pool

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

originally i just thought it was a fun idea and then it was turned into a piracy thread right away

Piracy is no longer the issue. Even with a 100% effective tool to close down piracy. The number of paying customers that would return is minimal. Who has a version of porn that a consumer can't do without and has to pay for it?

She may have fans who love her, make them pay and many will soon fall out of love and in love with a free version.

Even porn stars had a fickle audience. Comparing them to the devoted fans of people like pop singers is insane.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Piracy is no longer the issue. Even with a 100% effective tool to close down piracy. The number of paying customers that would return is minimal. Who has a version of porn that a consumer can't do without and has to pay for it?

She may have fans who love her, make them pay and many will soon fall out of love and in love with a free version.

Even porn stars had a fickle audience. Comparing them to the devoted fans of people like pop singers is insane.

not sure how that relates to what i wrote - but ok

but in general i think you base this too much on the "falling in love with a girl" perspective

there are plenty of porn consumers that want to see a certain niche/fetish well done and dont care about the specific girl in the scene

but my point again would be: tube sites in many aspects are superior: content wise and technically

and that's not their fault

[potter]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

originally i just thought it was a fun idea and then it was turned into a piracy thread right away

but then i thought: there is something that shows the fundamental problem here

Robbie - when you say "Porn Vids in the members area: All of them." the underlying issue with this is: there were millions of cookie cutter sites with 20 vids for $39.95
of course you do not need a search function for that

then the tubes came along - and free or not - they offered what people wanted: huge amounts of content and not being screwed over

and the tubes were way ahead in technology - streaming, favorites, rating, commenting and search

let's be honest - this is how markets work - the lack of something on one side opens an opportunity on the other side

I had been arguing for hours on here about streaming years ago and was told that surfers don't want that and that no one is going to pay for it

anyone not offering streaming today?

and who streamed porn first and made you adapt?

i said it before and i'll say it again: most paysite owners dug their own grave by just trying to grab money the easy way whilst thinking it will go on like that forever

and i watched my clients disappear while those that adapted are still there

Been saying it for years man https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...porn-slap.html

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Ah the good old days

The genie is out of the bottle in that regard I'm afraid.

The only hope for infringed parties is suing infringing sites or making partner deals that include the fast exclusion of unauthorised content.

It's not ideal, but it's reality now.

Ok - so the Stop File Lockers project is dead ?

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

originally i just thought it was a fun idea and then it was turned into a piracy thread right away

but then i thought: there is something that shows the fundamental problem here

Robbie - when you say "Porn Vids in the members area: All of them." the underlying issue with this is: there were millions of cookie cutter sites with 20 vids for $39.95
of course you do not need a search function for that

then the tubes came along - and free or not - they offered what people wanted: huge amounts of content and not being screwed over

and the tubes were way ahead in technology - streaming, favorites, rating, commenting and search

let's be honest - this is how markets work - the lack of something on one side opens an opportunity on the other side

I had been arguing for hours on here about streaming years ago and was told that surfers don't want that and that no one is going to pay for it

anyone not offering streaming today?

and who streamed porn first and made you adapt?

i said it before and i'll say it again: most paysite owners dug their own grave by just trying to grab money the easy way whilst thinking it will go on like that forever

and i watched my clients disappear while those that adapted are still there

Lets not all fool for this ridiculous notion that the tube guys succeeded because they were tech pioneers that brought in some great new tech or marketing technique. The tubes were able to give the customer what they wanted because the production cost was not being paid for by the tube sites ! Tube streaming tech did not remove the cost of production - they just made sure it was someone else's problem.

It irritates me when adult tubes are referred to as a disruptive technology. I reserve that title for businesses that really did disrupt the status quo through smart tech or superior distribution. (amazon and book retail, netflix and film/TV, apple itunes and the music business)

The adult tubes thrived because they did not have to pay for their content. The "disruptive idea" was a realisation that the DMCA dance allowed them to steal the content thus completely negating the cost of sales. The adult tubes prevailed because of a legal loophole not because of a brilliant invention or business idea.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by potter

Been saying it for years man https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...porn-slap.html

great post back then - still very true

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Lets not all fool for this ridiculous notion that the tube guys succeeded because they were tech pioneers that brought in some great new tech or marketing technique. The tubes were able to give the customer what they wanted because the production cost was not being paid for by the tube sites ! Tube streaming tech did not remove the cost of production - they just made sure it was someone else's problem.

It irritates me when adult tubes are referred to as a disruptive technology. I reserve that title for businesses that really did disrupt the status quo through smart tech or superior distribution. (amazon and book retail, netflix and film/TV, apple itunes and the music business)

The adult tubes thrived because they did not have to pay for their content. The "disruptive idea" was a realisation that the DMCA dance allowed them to steal the content thus completely negating the cost of sales. The adult tubes prevailed because of a legal loophole not because of a brilliant invention or business idea.

just not true - people like JT when he was running Youporn focussed on data extensively - and they bought content in huge amounts.

and i am really not saying all tube owners are saints - many are not and it really bothers me - but saying that all tubes never bought content is not true

actually sometimes the same people that in public cursed at tubes, licensed behind the scenes their whole libraries cause in the beginning tubes paid very well

but from a content owner point of view file lockers always bothered me way more cause there whole member areas in full quality are available - opposed to a few grainy videos on tubes here and there

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

just not true - people like JT when he was running Youporn focussed on data extensively - and they bought content in huge amounts.

and i am really not saying all tube owners are saints - many are not and it really bothers me - but saying that all tubes never bought content is not true

actually sometimes the same people that in public cursed at tubes, licensed behind the scenes their whole libraries cause in the beginning tubes paid very well

but from a content owner point of view file lockers always bothered me way more cause there whole member areas in full quality are available - opposed to a few grainy videos on tubes here and there

Ok so the tube model would have worked if they had bought all of the content ? They didn't have to steal it ?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Ok so the tube model would have worked if they had bought all of the content ? They didn't have to steal it ?

get a time machine and this time have content owners and tubes work out deals instead of the content owners flat out dismissing them (in the beginning) because they thought giving content away for free is crazy

other than that I am not good at "what if" predictions

[patadeperro]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

great post back then - still very true

I have never read it before, but it is right, many people in the adult industry have forgotten the basic principles of marketing, just because it has always been a demand for the product, but it wont hurt the webmasters to step up their skills in that area

[Ross]

Because no one is making money on users visiting one page of a site. It's all about the ad impressions!

[The Porn Nerd]

Blaming the DMCA loophole for the success of tube sites is WRONG. Here's why:

DMCA only applies to US companies. If a tube wanted to steal everything and were based in Cyprus or wherever then DMCA does not apply. This means tubes would've done what they did regardless of whatever laws were in place in the US.

Inevitable.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Plenty of money in stealing it and giving it away to draw traffic to sell.

Just get the traffic sites to stop buying it. Hahahahahha

oddly if they were selling better quality traffic they might make more money.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Ok - so the Stop File Lockers project is dead ?

Yes but tubes and file lockers are different.

Most large tubes license insane amounts of content. File lockers license nothing.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm thinking that there used to be this old fashioned way of sorting porn videos. I know it sounds archaic now.

The way it worked was this...
Porn Vids in the members area: All of them.
Porn Vids for free: None.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Ross

Because no one is making money on users visiting one page of a site. It's all about the ad impressions!

don't take it personally but at the end a lot of traffic companies buy their own traffic back after they sold it to someone else before, who then sold it to the next and so on - but no value is created.

that might work for a while but at some point there will be no one left anymore that can afford to buy traffic that makes less than it costs

the same in mobile, non-profitable tubes have also disappeared as have TGPs, MGPs and paysites that don't deliver state-of-the-art content and technology

why would the adult industry be immune to what happens to any other industry on this planet?

[dyna mo]

i would never want or need to sort porn vids based on if they were watched in entirety. i mean really, so what if some random pron clip was watched till the end and percolates up to the top of that sort, i couldn't give a shit, i'm looking for specific pron, not randomized porn based on what some knucklehead somewhere let run till the end.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i would never want or need to sort porn vids based on if they were watched in entirety. i mean really, so what if some random pron clip was watched till the end and percolates up to the top of that sort, i couldn't give a shit, i'm looking for specific pron, not randomized porn based on what some knucklehead somewhere let run till the end.

which i totally agree to - but that was not the point here

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

which i totally agree to - but that was not the point here

according to the thread title and OP, it very much is the point.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

according to the thread title and OP, it very much is the point.

no - the point is to track which was the last video the user watched before he left - assuming that he finished jerking off - not finished watching the video to the end

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

why would the adult industry be immune to what happens to any other industry on this planet?

Spot on.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no - the point is to track which was the last video the user watched before he left - assuming that he finished jerking off - not finished watching the video to the end

semantics. finished = finished. i think you could figure that out if you really wanted. either way, i tried to participate in your thread topic. you got miffed elsewhere when others changed the subject, you could choose to try and see that and my point or not. but hey, you're the guy who needs to generalize 95% of my posts as negative, so i get where you are coming from.

either way, it's fucking stupid to think sorting vids based on "finished" makes sense. i should have just stuck with being blunt with you.

[The Porn Nerd]

Better and better technology will do what better and better technology always does to every Industry on Earth: destroy it.

Or, shrink it till the only people profiting from it anymore is a small handful of mega-players.

Great. Yeah let's all WHOOP WHOOP for cutting edge technology. LOL

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Great. Yeah let's all WHOOP WHOOP for cutting edge technology. LOL

I hate to break this to you, so I'll do it as gently as possible.

You run sites on the fucking Internet. Your whole DNA is technology.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

semantics. finished = finished. i think you could figure that out if you really wanted. either way, i tried to participate in your thread topic. you got miffed elsewhere when others changed the subject, you could choose to try and see that and my point or not. but hey, you're the guy who needs to generalize 95% of my posts as negative, so i get where you are coming from.

either way, it's fucking stupid to think sorting vids based on "finished" makes sense. i should have just stuck with being blunt with you.

i know you rather argue yourself to death than admitting you got something wrong so feel free to yell at me, call me stupid or whatever - enjoy!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

which paysite owner does that with his own customers?

No need to. Our members directly talk to us via PM in the members area. We know more about our members than any tube site and their pondering over analytics.

Anyway, wasn't trying to hijack your thread or have you try to tell us how bad paysites sucked in your opinion. My reply was a simple one that had to do with the health of the industry.

Right now there are millions of "cookie cutter" car dealerships all selling the same cars. But you don't see the automobile industry doing something so goddamned dumb as to say: "Hey, I bet the customers would like it even better if we just give the cars away for free!"

Of COURSE customers like to get everything free. Try it with your content company. Give away everything for free and watch your orders for content grow a thousand times over.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

get a time machine and this time have content owners and tubes work out deals instead of the content owners flat out dismissing them

WTF? Are you trying to rewrite history?

Content owners were never given any choice in the matter. The content is STOLEN and posted without so much as a heads up.

You think pirates were busy trying to cut deals back in those "time machine" days (about 7 years ago...for you "old timers")?

Fuck no! Most paysite owners didn't even know that it was occurring because they were too busy running their business (the way it should be).

Sometimes the stuff you say makes me shake my head. Love you man, but you really piss people off whenever you start defending fucking thieves. It's just that simple.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

WTF? Are you trying to rewrite history?

Content owners were never given any choice in the matter. The content is STOLEN and posted without so much as a heads up.

You think pirates were busy trying to cut deals back in those "time machine" days (about 7 years ago...for you "old timers")?

Fuck no! Most paysite owners didn't even know that it was occurring because they were too busy running their business (the way it should be).

Sometimes the stuff you say makes me shake my head. Love you man, but you really piss people off whenever you start defending fucking thieves. It's just that simple.

sorry, i can't help it, everyone has his own story to tell

i was approached when tubes were still fairly new about selling my library, back then I said no because I was worried how it would be perceived by my other clients

worst move ever - later, when many others already made good money, I sold mine as well, but for a lot less than I could have gotten in the beginning.

and i got one single complaint ever from one client who didnt buy a $35 video because she had seen it on a tube

pirates did not buy content and would never have - but big companies that run tubes have bought millions of videos absolutely legitimately - from a lot of people on this board

[daddy_fu]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i would never want or need to sort porn vids based on if they were watched in entirety. i mean really, so what if some random pron clip was watched till the end and percolates up to the top of that sort, i couldn't give a shit, i'm looking for specific pron, not randomized porn based on what some knucklehead somewhere let run till the end.

A "watched till the end" filter could be secondary metric. It doesn't have to be random. Once you've filtered the content to your specific fetish, you could then sort by watched till the end. It's no different than searching for a fetish and then sorting by "most popular" or "most favorited".

[daddy_fu]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

pirates did not buy content and would never have

That's a valid argument that I think many people overlook. The music industry has been complaining about piracy for years now, but studies have shown the people stealing music wouldn't have payed for it in the first place. I downloaded a ton of music during the Napster days, but I was a broke 20 year old. The studios didn't lose any money because of my downloads, because I didn't have any money to spend in the first place.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No need to. Our members directly talk to us via PM in the members area. We know more about our members than any tube site and their pondering over analytics.

I agree that actual member interaction is probably one of the best input you can get. However the tubes do this too. Whether it be ratings, favorits, comments, shares, views this is all very valuable data. Big data. Which you can not compare with the "little" input you get from 1 single site.

This is probably one of the biggest chances in this industry over the years and specially in regards to the tubes. Porn not being treated anymore in the old fashioned way but actual companies and marketing guys running this data analysing every bit of it and use THAT as a starting point.

[daddy_fu]

Originally Posted by Roald

This is probably one of the biggest chances in this industry over the years and specially in regards to the tubes. Porn not being treated anymore in the old fashioned way but actual companies and marketing guys running this data analysing every bit of it and use THAT as a starting point.

Don't forget machine learning. We use the hell out of recommendation engines these days. You're not helping yourself if you're mindlessly shoving thumbnails/links in people's faces. You need to target their interest. Of course we also collect a lot of big data.

Sadly the adult industry always seems to be slow in adopting new technology.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Roald

This is probably one of the biggest chances in this industry over the years and specially in regards to the tubes. Porn not being treated anymore in the old fashioned way but actual companies and marketing guys running this data analysing every bit of it and use THAT as a starting point.

i recently wrote an article for a magazine and compared it to Netflix and how they tailor their new exclusive content - and there is not someone sitting saying "hey, let's make a comedy, somebody have an idea?"

[Milfer]

there could be hundred different reason why someone would leave a website after watching a video, other than you know what I mean