Vaping is 95% safer than smoking and could lead to the demise of the traditional cigarette

[wehateporn]

The Tobacco Industry will be fuming!!

Government body says vaping can make ?significant contribution to endgame of tobacco? and raises concerns about length of licensing process

Vaping is safer than smoking and could lead to the demise of the traditional cigarette, Public Health England (PHE) has said in the first official recognition that e-cigarettes are less damaging to health than smoking tobacco.

The health body concluded that, on ?the best estimate so far?, e-cigarettes are about 95% less harmful than tobacco cigarettes and could one day be dispensed as a licensed medicine in an alternative to anti-smoking products such as patches.

While stressing that e-cigarettes are not free from risk, PHE now believes that e-cigarettes ?have the potential to make a significant contribution to the endgame for tobacco?.

The message was backed by the government?s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, who nevertheless cautioned that ?there continues to be a lack of evidence on the long-term use of e-cigarettes?. She said they should only be used as a means to help smokers quit.

?I want to see these products coming to the market as licensed medicines. This would provide assurance on the safety, quality and efficacy to consumers who want to use these products as quitting aids, especially in relation to the flavourings used, which is where we know least about any inhalation risks.?

The 111-page review raises concerns about the length and cost of the the government?s licensing process, which is a key part of the revised strategy to cut tobacco use.

Continued Vaping: e-cigarettes safer than smoking, says Public Health England | Society | The Guardian

[aka123]

What about "Stop smoking at all."? Remove that right portion from the picture. Are you some ad man for vaping industry?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

What about "Stop smoking at all."?

If only it were so simple

[j3rkules]

Smoked 20 a day for 22 years. Started e-cig January 2012 - had quit completely by May 2012. Nicotine free ever since.

[candyflip]

All the anti vamping propaganda has to be coming from those with interests in big tobacco.

[Best-In-BC]

Some weed all day :D

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by candyflip

All the anti vamping propaganda has to be coming from those with interests in big tobacco.

True, Cancer Industry might be helping a bit too

[CaptainHowdy]

Ok ..........

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If only it were so simple

Yes, selling nothing produces no income aka is bad business. You got it. That is why there is some commercial solution for pretty much all problems. I am just surprised that a tin foil hat as you are so eager to work for those "evil companies".

You know that nicotine based vaping is more addictive than heroin, right? Do you also know that big part of today's smokers start with vaping? Many also start with vaping and stay with it. It isn't some miracle cure for smoking, it is just one addictive stuff more. Like Subutex has become.

The simple solution is not to smoke or vape, but it is bad business, so..

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by aka123

I am just surprised that a tin foil hat as you are so eager to work for those "evil companies".

You know that nicotine based vaping is more addictive than heroin, right? Do you also know that big part of today's smokers start with vaping? Many also start with vaping and stay with it. It isn't some miracle cure for smoking, it is just one addictive stuff more. Like Subutex has become.

The simple solution is not to smoke or vape, but it is bad business, so..

There isn't a single tin foil hatter bandwagon wehateporn doesn't jump on, don't ask him to actually form an original opinion for himself.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by aka123

You know that nicotine based vaping is more addictive than heroin, right?

Nicotine in general is more addictive than heroin. So is sugar. But you dont risk death when withdrawing from either nicotine or sugar. The fact of the matter is that vaping is actually more healthy from a TAR stand point. Think we can all agree that is the most obvious health benefit.

[HowlingWulf]

Vaping isn't just for tobacco hint hint

[The Porn Nerd]

And yet some places, like fucking TORONTO, are banning ecigs, too. People don't want that "secondhand vape" I guess. Fucking retards.

Let freedome ring, wtf.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If only it were so simple

It is simple, you just stop smoking. The problem is, most people are weak so that simple step is not easy.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by WarChild

The problem is, most people are weak so that simple step is not easy.

Yes, so it's not so simple

[2MuchMark]

I saw my Dad and my sister's lungs get completely destroyed from life-long cigarette smoking It's probably one of the worst ways to die.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The Tobacco Industry will be fuming!!

Government body says vaping can make ?significant contribution to endgame of tobacco? and raises concerns about length of licensing process

Vaping is safer than smoking and could lead to the demise of the traditional cigarette, Public Health England (PHE) has said in the first official recognition that e-cigarettes are less damaging to health than smoking tobacco.

The health body concluded that, on ?the best estimate so far?, e-cigarettes are about 95% less harmful than tobacco cigarettes and could one day be dispensed as a licensed medicine in an alternative to anti-smoking products such as patches.

While stressing that e-cigarettes are not free from risk, PHE now believes that e-cigarettes ?have the potential to make a significant contribution to the endgame for tobacco?.

The message was backed by the government?s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, who nevertheless cautioned that ?there continues to be a lack of evidence on the long-term use of e-cigarettes?. She said they should only be used as a means to help smokers quit.

?I want to see these products coming to the market as licensed medicines. This would provide assurance on the safety, quality and efficacy to consumers who want to use these products as quitting aids, especially in relation to the flavourings used, which is where we know least about any inhalation risks.?

The 111-page review raises concerns about the length and cost of the the government?s licensing process, which is a key part of the revised strategy to cut tobacco use.

Continued Vaping: e-cigarettes safer than smoking, says Public Health England | Society | The Guardian

If you're a smoker, it's not very likely you're this fit. You know... because smokers don't give two shits about their body.

[Deej]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yes, so it's not so simple

no see... it IS simple. but like warchild said... People are weak and cannot control themselves.

It really is as simple as putting the habit down. You can add all the addiction and self will crap you want. but when boiled down... its just that simple.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by WarChild

It is simple, you just stop smoking. The problem is, most people are weak so that simple step is not easy.

Were you ever a cigarette smoker? Took me numerous tries before I quit for good. You're beating a series of mental addictions more than anything.. You light up habitually before/after/during so many things. It's a lot more complex than beating a physical addiction to nicotine.

[Spunky]

I guess I'm weak but down to 3 mg nic .Will get down to 0 in a month or 2

[Colmike9]

Tobacco companies won't be fuming, they'll be adding more to the market, like R.J. Reynolds and Vuse..

But.. what happened to that "study" when eCigs first came out showing a charred looking lung saying that the water vapor caused it.. Are you telling me that someone lied to me on the internet?..

btw, click my sig, you can get a cheap eGo for $18.99!
Stoner Quotes - Buy this!

[MrBottomTooth]

I don't understand how people start. Took some puffs on a cigarette, coughed a bit. Stunk like shit afterwards. How do you say... I want more of that? Drugs and booze are easy to understand. Cigs, not so much.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I don't understand how people start. Took some puffs on a cigarette, coughed a bit. Stunk like shit afterwards. How do you say... I want more of that? Drugs and booze are easy to understand. Cigs, not so much.

I just smoke weed, I don't get the craving for that shit, either. It doesn't even get you high..

Even alcohol kinda sucks, I grew up running the oldest bar on campus and don't drink because of those people..

[CurrentlySober]

To me it seems a non brainer. I smoke cause its a habit I enjoy the hand to mouth movement, but more so, the crux of the matter - A shot of nicotine. If I can still get all that, but without any of the other poisonous stuff... Why the hell not?

I actually went to a shop a town over today and looked to get started. They normally have a starter pack which contains everything you need, and is compatible with all the upgrades.

Guy said that if I didn't get on with it, I had only wasted the price of a couple of packs, but if I like it and want say a more powerful battery or what not, I can just purchase it and it fits... Basically nothing in the kit goes to waste.

He's sold out of the kits so I have one reserved for pickup next week.I didnt poo in is shop, so I can probably go back and get it... Good times

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

To me it seems a non brainer. I smoke cause its a habit I enjoy the hand to mouth movement, but more so, the crux of the matter - A shot of nicotine. If I can still get all that, but without any of the other poisonous stuff... Why the hell not?

I actually went to a shop a town over today and looked to get started. They normally have a starter pack which contains everything you need, and is compatible with all the upgrades.

Guy said that if I didn't get on with it, I had only wasted the price of a couple of packs, but if I like it and want say a more powerful battery or what not, I can just purchase it and it fits... Basically nothing in the kit goes to waste.

He's sold out of the kits so I have one reserved for pickup next week.I didnt poo in is shop, so I can probably go back and get it... Good times

Just wondering which kit it is? Vape shops around me sell starter pen kits for around $40+, but are about half that online for the exact same thing.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

To me it seems a non brainer. I smoke cause its a habit I enjoy the hand to mouth movement, but more so, the crux of the matter - A shot of nicotine. If I can still get all that, but without any of the other poisonous stuff... Why the hell not?

I actually went to a shop a town over today and looked to get started. They normally have a starter pack which contains everything you need, and is compatible with all the upgrades.

Guy said that if I didn't get on with it, I had only wasted the price of a couple of packs, but if I like it and want say a more powerful battery or what not, I can just purchase it and it fits... Basically nothing in the kit goes to waste.

He's sold out of the kits so I have one reserved for pickup next week.I didnt poo in is shop, so I can probably go back and get it... Good times

Just piece together your own. You don't need a "kit" when all kit consists of is 2 pieces, a tank and a battery. One of the better starter mods is the Kanger Sub Box Mini. And +2 to getting everything online. Its so much cheaper than the store. No markup and you dont have to deal with a guy trying to sell you something you dont really need.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

Just piece together your own. You don't need a "kit" when all kit consists of is 2 pieces, a tank and a battery. One of the better starter mods is the Kanger Sub Box Mini

I was going to suggest the Kanger but forgot the name of it, just $100ish I think

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

I was going to suggest the Kanger but forgot the name of it, just $100ish I think

Its about 70USD in the vape shop near my house. Theyre the only store front that I've been in that charges online pricing.

[pomperipossa]

I finally decided to quit traditional smoking so I just bought a Vapor kit. (total of $60) After a careful research, I finally ended up buying the Vision Spinner with USB charger and a 5ml tank for the oil and a "herb" exchanger head. I vaped the shit out of it to test it for 3 days now. So far very happy with the purchase. The only thing that I had problems with was to adjust the heat to be a perfect "hit". I am using 24% tobacco flavored oil and it actually feels like the real deal...just my
http://www.honestecigarettereviews.c...carto-tank.jpg

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by pomperipossa

I finally decided to quit traditional smoking so I just bought a Vapor kit. (total of $60) After a careful research, I finally ended up buying the Vision Spinner with USB charger and a 5ml tank for the oil and a "herb" exchanger head. I vaped the shit out of it to test it for 3 days now. So far very happy with the purchase. The only thing that I had problems with was to adjust the heat to be a perfect "hit". I am using 24% tobacco flavored oil and it actually feels like the real deal...just my
http://www.honestecigarettereviews.c...carto-tank.jpg

Just curious, but why would you choose tobacco flavored when you have any flavor that you want available?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Just wondering which kit it is? Vape shops around me sell starter pen kits for around $40+, but are about half that online for the exact same thing.

Dunno off the top of my head. If I remember I'll update this thread next week when I pick it up...

Its only like £20 / $30 so I'm not too worried about saving on it. 2 Packs of my normal cigs cost me just under £20 so no biggy...

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

2 Packs of my normal cigs cost me just under £20 so no biggy...

Damn, you could save some money switching to weed..

[rhon23]

I see it as trading one necessary evil for another. I smoked for 31 years. I quit almost 2 years ago no vape no e cigs.

[pomperipossa]

colmike, I chose tobacco flavor cause that's what I like. I tried a few of these "fruity" oils but its doesn't give me the real "feel" i want ..hope that answers your question.

[mineistaken]

Never understood smokers - harming their body in a major way and paying for it.
And don't say it is THAT addictive. That must be an excuse for weak people.

[jimmycastor]

it make sense to smoke a real or two a day to keep your nicotine level at the beginning , its harder to get the real nicotine into your blood with ecigs and for addicts its helpful , lets say when having your morning coffee, before your daily dump or after dinner.

i wouldnt use it if you seriously want to stop smoking, but if you just want to reduce the side effects of burning cigs its great

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by pomperipossa

colmike, I chose tobacco flavor cause that's what I like. I tried a few of these "fruity" oils but its doesn't give me the real "feel" i want ..hope that answers your question.

I'm gonna be getting tobacco flavour as well. They do 3. One is like a rolling tobacco taste, one more like pipe tobacco and the one I'm getting is the normal cigarette type. Bloke described it as a bit like Marlboro reds...

I'm hoping to get the experience as close to a cigarette as possible, but without all the unnecessary bad stuff

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

2 Packs of my normal cigs cost me just under £20 so no biggy...

Still expensive.
Buy from immigrants, they bring in original cigs from less taxed EU and sell for 3.5-4 pounds a pack

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by pomperipossa

colmike, I chose tobacco flavor cause that's what I like. I tried a few of these "fruity" oils but its doesn't give me the real "feel" i want ..hope that answers your question.

Yep

[Barry-xlovecam]

Nicotine is so fucking good for you

Smokers are idiots. I have suffered the illnesses associated with nicotine use -- I smoked for 40 years. I was an Idiot -- word to the wise.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by geedub

Were you ever a cigarette smoker? Took me numerous tries before I quit for good. You're beating a series of mental addictions more than anything.. You light up habitually before/after/during so many things. It's a lot more complex than beating a physical addiction to nicotine.

I sure was. 2 packs a day throughout my late teens and all of my twenties. I quit for almost 10 years and started again foolishly. Fortunately I quit a year after and have been good since.

It's not easy. I "quit" probably 1000's of times. Every time I ran out of cigarettes, every time I went to bed. And you're totally right it's a huge mental game. Your brain starts convincing you that you DO want to smoke. It's not easy.

It is, however, simple. You just stop doing it. You don't get sick and die. You don't have a mental lapse and kill somebody. What you have is a slight feeling of something "missing" for about 72 hours, and then after that it's purely mental. Hard, but still very simple; Just don't smoke.

I would recommend the book "The Easy Way To Quit Smoking" by Allen Carr. It didn't make me quit, but it did give me a whole different perspective on smoking after I had already quit. It's an interesting read and worth the $10 or whatever it is in Ebook.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Deej

no see... it IS simple. but like warchild said... People are weak and cannot control themselves.

It really is as simple as putting the habit down. You can add all the addiction and self will crap you want. but when boiled down... its just that simple.

The Tobacco industry put all kinds of extra addictive crap in them these days, it's a lot harder to give up today than it once was

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Deej

no see... it IS simple. but like warchild said... People are weak and cannot control themselves.

It really is as simple as putting the habit down. You can add all the addiction and self will crap you want. but when boiled down... its just that simple.

shut up. *you* may have found it easy, but you really think it's a case of simply being 'weak' for hundreds of millions of people globally? get off your fucking high horse lol. If I find something easy and you don't, does that make you 'weak'? what a crock of shit, spouted by those who feel themselves to be superior

[Jel]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Dunno off the top of my head. If I remember I'll update this thread next week when I pick it up...

Its only like £20 / $30 so I'm not too worried about saving on it. 2 Packs of my normal cigs cost me just under £20 so no biggy...

only thing mate - if you go too cheap you won't get a decent hit, and disregard the whole vaping thing as shit (but shit shit, not good shit). The huge fuck off things that look like you should park them on the drive and bell them up overnight are OTT imo, if you want a recommendation on a VERY good piece of kit that is still fairly cheap (£60 for pen, spare battery, some cartridges and a bottle of juice iirc) remind me your addy and I'll email you

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil

Nicotine in general is more addictive than heroin. So is sugar.

The 2 things I consume like a crack head.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I don't understand how people start. Took some puffs on a cigarette, coughed a bit. Stunk like shit afterwards. How do you say... I want more of that? Drugs and booze are easy to understand. Cigs, not so much.

I quit for over a year and then picked one up again and it tasted like shit and was like why da fuck do I do this. After a few more hits though it all comes back and tastes good again. Gotta try again to kick it.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Jel

only thing mate - if you go too cheap you won't get a decent hit, and disregard the whole vaping thing as shit (but shit shit, not good shit). The huge fuck off things that look like you should park them on the drive and bell them up overnight are OTT imo, if you want a recommendation on a VERY good piece of kit that is still fairly cheap (£60 for pen, spare battery, some cartridges and a bottle of juice iirc) remind me your addy and I'll email you

Sure - Thanks. I totally get what you mean. I'm gonna try the one I'm getting first of course, because I've already reserved a kit - Apparently they go fast from the shop so I have pre-paid

That said though, If I dont like it I'm totally open to suggestions so please do

My email? HOW CAN YOU FORGET ??? ilikepoo (AT) ilikepoo DOT com

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Jel

shut up. *you* may have found it easy, but you really think it's a case of simply being 'weak' for hundreds of millions of people globally? get off your fucking high horse lol. If I find something easy and you don't, does that make you 'weak'? what a crock of shit, spouted by those who feel themselves to be superior

So it is hard to believe that hundreds of millions can be weak? Bare in mind that not all of them are trying to quit so the number is even smaller.
How much is that? 10% 20% max?
Is it that hard to believe that 20% of people are weak?

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So it is hard to believe that hundreds of millions can be weak? Bare in mind that not all of them are trying to quit so the number is even smaller.
How much is that? 10% 20% max?
Is it that hard to believe that 20% of people are weak?

more addictive than heroin, yet you are 'weak' if you can't just put it down one day. Lots of people are casual heroin users, does it mean the addicts are 'weak' because they can't just stop using with a click of the fingers?

And it's more like hundreds of millions who would prefer not to be smokers, not a %age of all smokers - the vast majority of those who would like to quit but are addicted find it extremely tough, so it's actually the small %age who find it easy. How the fuck this correlates to the majority being 'weak' I don't know.

What a fucking stupid argument lol, and what a cunts position to take... "I am strong because I did this incredibly hard thing (fair enough with that part - it *is* hard, unless you are lucky and differ from the vast vast majority of people on earth who develop addictions), and you are weak because you are different from me, unique in yourself, and I want to give myself a reacharound". Really, people who think like this are so fucking pompous... how can anyone be so fucking stupid as to assume everyone has the exact same traits and physiological/psychological makeup as themselves, and not only that, feel the need to declare those other people 'weak'. How about showing a bit of humbleness and realising they are one of the lucky minority who find something easy that goes against the norm. Guess they are in that group of people with low self-esteem who only feel better about themselves when they berate others for not being able to do something they can.

cocksuckers.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Sure - Thanks. I totally get what you mean. I'm gonna try the one I'm getting first of course, because I've already reserved a kit - Apparently they go fast from the shop so I have pre-paid

That said though, If I dont like it I'm totally open to suggestions so please do

My email? HOW CAN YOU FORGET ??? ilikepoo (AT) ilikepoo DOT com

fuck, how did I forget that lol - I'll bang you over an email later for reference should you need it

[aka123]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So it is hard to believe that hundreds of millions can be weak? Bare in mind that not all of them are trying to quit so the number is even smaller.
How much is that? 10% 20% max?
Is it that hard to believe that 20% of people are weak?

There are 2 main problems with many addicts (in the terms of quitting): they don't recognize being addicted and they don't really want to quit in the first place. Though you can't quit addiction, but you know.. quitting using the addicting substance/ what ever causes the addiction.

For example directly translated from my language people don't usually "quit" smoking, they are "on strike" (strike is temporary). I have smoked myself and first of all I acknowledge that I am addict for the rest of my life and secondly I did quit, I wasn't on strike. I intentionally chose the right word from the start, as I know that words matter (common way to psych yourself). I did quit about 10 years ago.