Hot or Not Another great speech by Mr. Trump that reeled in even Obama fanboy Mark Prince!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by **********

... I watched his Q&A a couple of hours ago, and .... ugh.. ugh ugh.... he was good, and ... *cough*CHOKE*phlegm.... he made sense!

Trump 2016.

sigh...

Who is next after Mr. Prince? Crocket?

[MrBottomTooth]

He's the exact opposite of Obama in that he excels at speeches when not using a teleprompter.

[dyna mo]

[j3rkules]

Rough around the edges, but gets shit done.

[HelmutKohl]

Is he for real ?

[JetBlack]

I tried to watch five minutes of this, but all I got from it was

"I'm so great. I'm so very accomplished. Isn't it great to have a builder running for office? I will build a great looking wall and call it the Trump Wall. It will keep out the Mexicans. Did I also mention I'm building a hotel in Washington? It'll be the best hotel ever.. (yadda yadda)."

If you think relentless self-promotion makes for a great speech, then it sucks to be you.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Who is next after Mr. Prince? Crocket?

Sorry but no speech at this point would make me like him, because it would mean he either lied to gain support from the nutters and isn't crazy or he's lying to gain my support.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by JetBlack

I tried to watch five minutes of this, but all I got from it was

"I'm so great. I'm so very accomplished. Isn't it great to have a builder running for office? I will build a great looking wall and call it the Trump Wall. It will keep out the Mexicans. Did I also mention I'm building a hotel in Washington? It'll be the best hotel ever.. (yadda yadda)."

If you think relentless self-promotion makes for a great speech, then it sucks to be you.

Shut up loser. You prefer being told hope and change lies?

I like listening to successful people and how they talk. Maybe you could learn something if you weren't distracted with a dick in your mouth.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Sorry but no speech at this point would make me like him, because it would mean he either lied to gain support from the nutters and isn't crazy or he's lying to gain my support.

He is not targeting nutters that much.
If you watch this video, there were 2 questions asked by nutters:
One nutter was a dude rambling about how Hilary and Obama should be jailed etc, he did not support it, just brushed it of.
Second nutter was praising God and being mad at how state was separated from the church and trump interrupted him and said "I think it;s right" - so he even opposed the nutter a bit.
That shows that he does not bulshit and agree with certain audiences whereever he goes (like most of politicians do), but actually says what he means and can oppose a nutter.

[Nitzer Ebb]

Just another clown with empty promises. Narcissistic egomaniac building up his resume.

[JetBlack]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Shut up loser. You prefer being told hope and change lies?

I like listening to successful people and how they talk. Maybe you could learn something if you weren't distracted with a dick in your mouth.

Take your valium, grandpa.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JetBlack

Take your valium, grandpa.

metaman does have a valid point though.

you could only watch 5 minutes of serious dialogue and then make a sweeping negative conclusions about the entire interview only to use that to tell anyone who watched the entire thing and came away with a better view of a candidate for President of the United States that "it sucks to be you".


i'm sure that's a monster run-on sentence but i couldn't be bothered.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

He is not targeting nutters that much.
If you watch this video, there were 2 questions asked by nutters:
One nutter was a dude rambling about how Hilary and Obama should be jailed etc, he did not support it, just brushed it of.
Second nutter was praising God and being mad at how state was separated from the church and trump interrupted him and said "I think it;s right" - so he even opposed the nutter a bit.
That shows that he does not bulshit and agree with certain audiences whereever he goes (like most of politicians do), but actually says what he means and can oppose a nutter.

Yes, I do like that he has steered clear of the Relgious BS, but mainly it's the whole Birther type stuff which turns me off of him. I've said it a few times, that I really would of liked to see him as a moderate candidate and not trying so hard to the far right with the Birther crap the dumb wall stuff...Even that he will bring jobs back is a load of crap.. Those jobs are gone, no one is bringing manufacturing jobs back unless it's robot factories..

Honestly, I really would of liked to see him be sensible as I'd like to see the Republican Party pulled back from the fringe as it would be better for the country than what's going on now.

[2MuchMark]

I was drunk. Donald Trump is still an asshole. And Hillary will win.

HOWEVER,

He is doing a great job of trashing all the other Republican hopefuls. None of them deserve to win the white house.

[JetBlack]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

metaman does have a valid point though.

you could only watch 5 minutes of serious dialogue and then make a sweeping negative conclusions...

I sure can. After observing Trump's career as a popular entertainer, I'm confident that this will be another carnival-barking performance.

I'm not trying to make a political point at all - Hovever, don't forget that he is running for president, and I am the kind of person he has to win over in order to succeed.

Just because he's credible to you doesn't mean there aren't huge swathes of people in America who only know him as the loudmouth oaf they've seeon on the wrestling and that fake business show.

[wehateporn]

It was very honest of Mark

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JetBlack

I sure can. After observing Trump's career as a popular entertainer, I'm confident that this will be another carnival-barking performance.

I'm not trying to make a political point at all - Hovever, don't forget that he is running for president, and I am the kind of person he has to win over in order to succeed.

Just because he's credible to you doesn't mean there aren't huge swathes of people in America who only know him as the loudmouth oaf they've seeon on the wrestling and that fake business show.

i didn't criticize your opinion of him, you criticized other's.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It was very honest of Mark

to admit he was drunk when he started the thread? i agree.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by **********

I was drunk. Donald Trump is still an asshole. And Hillary will win.

HOWEVER,

He is doing a great job of trashing all the other Republican hopefuls. None of them deserve to win the white house.

Hillary is looking like she's in deeper and deeper trouble by the day. She will never be President. Every time she speaks, she lies to cover up past lies and its getting more and more evident that she's a problem, even to hardcore supporters. All polls show her plummeting even with Dems and it's looking like there is a high probability that she's going to face criminal charges, as she clearly broke quite a few federal laws.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Hillary is looking like she's in deeper and deeper trouble by the day. She will never be President. Every time she speaks, she lies to cover up past lies and its getting more and more evident that she's a problem, even to hardcore supporters. All polls show her plummeting even with Dems and it's looking like there is a high probability that she's going to face criminal charges, as she clearly broke quite a few federal laws.

And to Princess; it is said, drunks tell no lies.

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[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by **********

I was drunk. Donald Trump is still an asshole. And Hillary will win.

If that will happen, great, more years of the same shit of the last 30 years. Boring.

If i was american i'd vote Trump. The only reason for that vote would be that he'd shake up the system and at least SOMETHING happens.

Every other vote is a lost vote: You're voting for established politicians who will listen to the same puppet masters that rule the place for the last 30 years. It's unbelievable that the majority still doesn't see that FACT.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yes, I do like that he has steered clear of the Relgious BS, but mainly it's the whole Birther type stuff which turns me off of him.

Not sure how trolling Hussein with birth certificate is considered being a nutter

Neither you, nor me can certainly say that Hussein was born in US, we do not have the knowledge to say for sure.
So it is not that nutty to doubt that.

Plus he even does not monger the issue that much if at all:

“Trump was able to get something. I don’t know what the hell it was, but it doesn’t matter. Because I’m off that subject. I’m about jobs, I’m about the military, I’m about doing the right thing for this country,” he added."

Read more: Trump: I'm still a birther - Nick Gass - POLITICO

PS:

“Do you know that Hillary Clinton was a birther? She wanted those records and fought like hell. People forgot."

Read more: Trump: I'm still a birther - Nick Gass - POLITICO

[Robbie]

[QUOTE=crockett]Even that he will bring jobs back is a load of crap.. Those jobs are gone, no one is bringing manufacturing jobs back unless it's robot factories..
[QUOTE]

What is your suggestion crockett? Everybody just give up?

The man has put out his plan. He has flat out said that he will force those big corporations that you already hate to bring those jobs back by punishing them economically until they start building those factories back here in the U.S.

What more do you want? Just to say "Fuck it"? Give up? Game over?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Not sure how trolling Hussein with birth certificate is considered being a nutter

Neither you, nor me can certainly say that Hussein was born in US, we do not have the knowledge to say for sure.
So it is not that nutty to doubt that.

Plus he even does not monger the issue that much if at all:

?Trump was able to get something. I don?t know what the hell it was, but it doesn?t matter. Because I?m off that subject. I?m about jobs, I?m about the military, I?m about doing the right thing for this country,? he added."

Read more: Trump: I'm still a birther - Nick Gass - POLITICO

PS:

?Do you know that Hillary Clinton was a birther? She wanted those records and fought like hell. People forgot."

Read more: Trump: I'm still a birther - Nick Gass - POLITICO

I don't want Hillary anymore than I'd want Trump..

[crockett]

[QUOTE=Robbie;20557157][QUOTE=crockett]Even that he will bring jobs back is a load of crap.. Those jobs are gone, no one is bringing manufacturing jobs back unless it's robot factories..

What is your suggestion crockett? Everybody just give up?

The man has put out his plan. He has flat out said that he will force those big corporations that you already hate to bring those jobs back by punishing them economically until they start building those factories back here in the U.S.

What more do you want? Just to say "Fuck it"? Give up? Game over?

a president is not a king. He can't make anyone do anything with out support of Congress. From the looks at how much establishment GOPers hate him, it doesn't appear he'd have the ability to get anything he says done.

He will be in the same boat that Obama is in, and you have bitched endlessly about how you think Obama hasn't done enough then bitched when he did..

[GregE]

Originally Posted by crockett

Those jobs are gone, no one is bringing manufacturing jobs back unless it's robot factories.

Without those jobs we're fucked. Pure and simple.

Neither street sweepers nor Walmart cheerers pay income taxes.

Germany, by USA standards, is a socialist country and yet they have retained their industry and their jobs.

THAT is why they can afford socialized medicine and all of the other manifestations of a prosperous nation.

A country without decent jobs cannot do the same. This isn't about politics, it's about simple mathematics.

And common sense.

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[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

a president is not a king. He can't make anyone do anything with out support of Congress. From the looks at how much establishment GOPers hate him, it doesn't appear he'd have the ability to get anything he says done.

He will be in the same boat that Obama is in, and you have bitched endlessly about how you think Obama hasn't done enough then bitched when he did..

Wrong crockett, a guy like Trump makes a living negotiating and bending people to his will. Pres. Obama has no clue how to do that. It's not in his skill set.

Trump has already stared down Fox News and forced them to back off. He also stared down the RNC and made them reluctantly treat him with respect.

He is showing in the campaign exactly how he will get people to work with him. You have to engage and be tough in your negotiations. You know what I'm saying, I'm sure that you've done the same in your own life as we all have.

Everyone that is...except people who have insulated themselves from the real world: bureaucrats.

I don't think that getting congress to work with him would be any problem at all for Trump. Especially if he were to actually win. That alone would send one hell of a message to those pieces of shit on Capital Hill from the voters. There's your motivation right there.

[Robbie]

And also crockett, you know Southerners would NEVER vote for a damn "yankee' from New York! Right?

And yet 30,000 people showed up today to hear him speak in a football stadium (because no other facility was big enough for all the people) in Mobile, Alabama

30,000 turn out for Donald Trump's Alabama pep rally - CNNPolitics.com

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Wrong crockett, a guy like Trump makes a living negotiating and bending people to his will. Pres. Obama has no clue how to do that. It's not in his skill set.

Like those who bent him over in Puerto Rico? Try bending Russian Vlad over.
Robbie, stick with pimping whores.

[$5 submissions]

Regardless of whether you agree with them or not, one thing is clear, the SIDEKICK in this video is amazing. Great synchronization. Even Cenk Uighur from The Young Turks (heavily liberal youtube channel) agrees.

[Robbie]

The amazing thing is that MSNBC attacked and degraded those 2 women on the air when that video came out.

I guess if you don't follow the script that the Democrat Party wrote for black people (blacks are ALWAYS supposed to be helpless and victims)...then it's okay to have a "war on women" and treat minorities like shit.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The amazing thing is that MSNBC attacked and degraded those 2 women on the air when that video came out.

I guess if you don't follow the script that the Democrat Party wrote for black people (blacks are ALWAYS supposed to be helpless and victims)...then it's okay to have a "war on women" and treat minorities like shit.

I hear ya, Robbie.

It seems that it is NEVER racist when liberals patronize and condescend to minorities when it comes to 'programs' aimed at 'helping' them.

Also, racist actions of liberals get a pass (remember Sen. Robert 'KKK' Byrd?)

Liberals can heap all sorts of racist BS on CONSERVATIVE MINORITIES and that's okay because those conservative minorities were 'sellouts' and 'Uncle Toms' anyway. So much for 'transcending race' in the Age of Obama, right?

[Paul Markham]

Listening to him it's clear he would make a great dictator. His problem is a democracy doesn't work like a business where he's the majority shareholder or him and his buddies own it.

The Soviets built a very effective wall to keep people in, so it's doable. The problem is getting businesses to support him, they and consumers like the cheap labour/prices. Which is the same problem when it comes to imports.

Are Americans going to be happy to pay more for their US made iPhone, to give Americans jobs, healthcare, insurance, pensions, etc? It doesn't matter if the jobs are in robot factories, the robot factories are in America and the money stays in America.

Will Americans pay more for manual labour factories employing Americans, with huge discounts for exports to Europe? Because if Apple start producing in the US, their business will collapse as the World buys Samsung. Just an example. If he wants to bring these jobs back to America he has to get Europe to agree with him. A 10% import tax on goods imported from countries like China would work.

What would he replace Obamacare with? A step back to the old ways will not serve the American people. The idea of a Nations Healthcare being primarily in the hands of private enterprise is wrong. Obamacare is a mess. The reason is the politicians who stood in it's way.

And he's right about politicians, that's the problem. Without changing the entire electoral and lobbying system, from people like him. He can't change anything. How many times do you see politicians scrambling for funds to get elected? There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Deporting foreign criminals is a good policy. The EU is more interested in criminals Human rights, than those who don't break the laws.

Military costs lots of money. Will Americans be happy to pay for it? It's currently around $610.096 billion. Spending more would employ more people, via tax dollars.

[MaDalton]

How much would an all-American iPhone cost? | Marketplace.org

You ready to pay $2000 for your iPhone?

While the competition keeps producing in China or Korea?

You think Apple would play along? Especially when they sell 2/3 outside the US where extra taxes on competitors products won't apply?

Wont happen.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

How much would an all-American iPhone cost? | Marketplace.org

You ready to pay $2000 for your iPhone?

While the competition keeps producing in China or Korea?

You think Apple would play along? Especially when they sell 2/3 outside the US where extra taxes on competitors products won't apply?

Wont happen.

Consider what an iPhone now costs.

How much would an iPhone cost if it were entirely made in the U.S.?

At the moment, the iPhone 5 costs between $650 - $850 retail.

iPhones are mostly manufactured and assembled in China, famously by the company Foxconn. And Apple pays around $5 per iPhone for labor.

Now compare that to every other imported item between $650 - $850 retail. Tablets, TVs, Sat Navs, washing machines, clothing, Laptops, cameras, Xboxes, and everything else. Even kids Xmas stockings would be a lot smaller.



$50 instead of $16.

This is his biggest problem, getting Americans to understand his policies will cost them a lot of money. Even McDonald's will have to go up in price, if they can't hire cheap labour to serve them.

I remember what it used to be like manufacturing clothing. We were making clothes that retailed more expensively in 1975, than stores sell now in 2015. Everyone will have to make do with buying less and making it last longer. Or he just imposes taxes on imports. Which the consumer pays for at the till.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

He's the exact opposite of Obama in that he excels at speeches when not using a teleprompter.

yeah, and in addition to being off the cuff, everything he says is also very eloquent and intelligent.

You know it's really ridiculous to imply that Obama isn't smart enough to speak spontaneously, and we've seen him do it many times.

I do like that Trump says what he thinks and doesn't backpeddle, but it's just that everything he says is shit that appeals to angry, xenophobic assholes.

[dyna mo]

there's absolutely nothing wrong with being mad, frustrated, dissappointed, dissconnected, disenfranchised at the current state of government affairs and the media. "the government" hasn't gotten that message yet but they are getting a heap of it now, via Trump and his supporters.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

How much would an all-American iPhone cost? | Marketplace.org

You ready to pay $2000 for your iPhone?

While the competition keeps producing in China or Korea?

You think Apple would play along? Especially when they sell 2/3 outside the US where extra taxes on competitors products won't apply?

Wont happen.

The reason that it would cost so much is that Unions, taxes, laws, regulations, etc. in the U.S. all drive up the cost of production.

What Trump is saying is that companies would be given incentive to bring those jobs back. It's already happening in several states with car companies building factories (anywhere but Detroit) without unions and with the states giving them great tax breaks.

Trump is also saying that if they still don't bring those jobs back, he will place tariffs on their products coming into the U.S.

It's a great bargaining chip that we have that has been unused for decades. The U.S. market is coveted. And we haven't had anyone in office that has used that position of power to our advantage.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there's absolutely nothing wrong with being mad, frustrated, dissappointed, dissconnected, disenfranchised at the current state of government affairs and the media. "the government" hasn't gotten that message yet but they are getting a heap of it now, via Trump and his supporters.

Unless you are supporting a guy with an "R" in his candidacy.

Now if it's an angry Bernie Sanders and his angry followers...then of course it's just fine!

Liberals can be angry at govt. fucking us over. Minorities can be angry and burn down cities and loot them. That's all good too.

You see those people are not really "angry". They are just good citizens.

But if you are white and not a Democrat? And you don't burn down a city? Or stage huge protests?
Then you are just another "angry white Republican" and should be an object of ridicule.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The reason that it would cost so much is that Unions, taxes, laws, regulations, etc. in the U.S. all drive up the cost of production.

What Trump is saying is that companies would be given incentive to bring those jobs back. It's already happening in several states with car companies building factories (anywhere but Detroit) without unions and with the states giving them great tax breaks.

Trump is also saying that if they still don't bring those jobs back, he will place tariffs on their products coming into the U.S.

It's a great bargaining chip that we have that has been unused for decades. The U.S. market is coveted. And we haven't had anyone in office that has used that position of power to our advantage.

It will still lead to higher prices in the shops.

Imagine China producing cars in big numbers.

US $12,560 - 15,420 how much for a comparable one US made?

2015 LAND CRUISER $80,155

OK maybe the Toyota is better.

Unions, taxes, aren't the problem. Laws to make sure the plant doesn't ruin the environment, dangerous to work in, produce safe cars, land rental, building and running car plants, and labour costs so people can afford to eat and live are the main problems.

Comes down to whether the consumer will buy a $15,420 car or a $80,000 one.

The best way is a 10% or more tax at the dockside on goods imported from countries that have a huge gap between what they sell to the US and what they buy. Force them to buy more from the US.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The reason that it would cost so much is that Unions, taxes, laws, regulations, etc. in the U.S. all drive up the cost of production.

What Trump is saying is that companies would be given incentive to bring those jobs back. It's already happening in several states with car companies building factories (anywhere but Detroit) without unions and with the states giving them great tax breaks.

Trump is also saying that if they still don't bring those jobs back, he will place tariffs on their products coming into the U.S.

It's a great bargaining chip that we have that has been unused for decades. The U.S. market is coveted. And we haven't had anyone in office that has used that position of power to our advantage.

if you want people on american soil work for the money that is paid in China, you have to bring back slavery

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if you want people on american soil work for the money that is paid in China, you have to bring back slavery

That is not required. I've seen many businessmen describe exactly what they need to compete.

The U.S. can be very, very competitive. BUT...the govt. (both Federal, State, and local) needs to make it so.

As I've said before...if what you are thinking is true, then WHY did BMW build it's factory in South Carolina? Why did Volkswagen build a plant in Chattanooga Tennessee?
Surely using your logic they could have built those in China much, much cheaper right?

Wrong.

Every manufacturer wants to build the products they sell in North America in the U.S.
And when the state and local govt.'s create that environment that allows them to be profitable...that's exactly what they do.

That is what Trump is suggesting. You and I can discuss back and forth all day...but in the end the facts are that "yes" those jobs can indeed come back to the U.S.
It's already happened in the car industry...just not in overly regulated, overly taxed, overly unionized Detroit.

Apple could indeed build iphones here. Just not in California. (I don't know how anyone stays in business there...)

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

As I've said before...if what you are thinking is true, then WHY did BMW build it's factory in South Carolina? Why did Volkswagen build a plant in Chattanooga Tennessee?
Surely using your logic they could have built those in China much, much cheaper right?

Because the car industry doesn't have to compete with China. In Europe they're opening car factories in Eastern Europe because of all the costs.

I agree with you that something has to be done to balance trade with all the Third World, not just China. The problem will be consumers have to pay a higher price.

Factory wages.
China $8,000 CNY/Year
United States $40,318 annually USD/Year

Add to that the running costs, healthcare, insurance, legal, etc.

Something has to be done. The EU goes to the Third World begging them to buy more of our goods. At the moment the EU's car manufacturers do well in the Third World. If they start to build and export a competitive level to ours cars. The same will happen to the car industry as happened to the motor cycle industry.

We need to start looking at what we can produce that they have to buy, and not let them take more of our industries like they have done.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It was very honest of Mark

Bah!

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Hillary is looking like she's in deeper and deeper trouble by the day. She will never be President. Every time she speaks, she lies to cover up past lies and its getting more and more evident that she's a problem, even to hardcore supporters. All polls show her plummeting even with Dems and it's looking like there is a high probability that she's going to face criminal charges, as she clearly broke quite a few federal laws.

Unfortunately I have to say you're right, or at least, right to be concerned. There is a lot of mistrust around Hillary now.

Maybe Bernie will win?

[michael.kickass]

I used to like this guy.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by GregE

Without those jobs we're fucked. Pure and simple.

Neither street sweepers nor Walmart cheerers pay income taxes.

Germany, by USA standards, is a socialist country and yet they have retained their industry and their jobs.

THAT is why they can afford socialized medicine and all of the other manifestations of a prosperous nation.

A country without decent jobs cannot do the same. This isn't about politics, it's about simple mathematics.

And common sense.

There is a diffrence between Germany and the U.S. The govt of Germany wanted to make their country strong and in doing so they focused on making their people strong.. Ie good jobs, social health care ect.. They worried about making themselves strong from the inside out.. But they are really not strong on the world playing field.

The U.S. Govt on the other hand dosn't care about making this country strong from within, because they are more interested in projecting power abroad. It doesn't matter so much what people here make or if they have Heath care.. Th govt makes it's money by projecting power in the form of military and consumerism. Taking care of the people in your own country isn't needed when the only thing that matters is world wide economic power and the ability to secure that power by military force..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Wrong crockett, a guy like Trump makes a living negotiating and bending people to his will. Pres. Obama has no clue how to do that. It's not in his skill set.

Trump has already stared down Fox News and forced them to back off. He also stared down the RNC and made them reluctantly treat him with respect.

He is showing in the campaign exactly how he will get people to work with him. You have to engage and be tough in your negotiations. You know what I'm saying, I'm sure that you've done the same in your own life as we all have.

Everyone that is...except people who have insulated themselves from the real world: bureaucrats.

I don't think that getting congress to work with him would be any problem at all for Trump. Especially if he were to actually win. That alone would send one hell of a message to those pieces of shit on Capital Hill from the voters. There's your motivation right there.

No Robbie you are wrong.. As I said before in another topic.. Business deals are much easier to do than running a govt.

In business everyone is worried about a single goal, making money.. In politics you have 2 sides and they don't have a singular goal, other than to win and make the other guy lose.