non-consensual sex.. so in light of your specific'er question, if the person is unable to coherently discuss the evil things they are about to do to you, they are too drunk to have sex with
Rape is something you do not want. It would need to be against your will.
I have been drunk and had sex also have had sex with others who were drunk, none of us were raped but were happy to take part.
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Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.
Why drunk sex is non-consensual? What's about DUI? Maybe police should not arrest and fine drunks because it was "just" a non-consensual driving? What's about drunk people who committed a murder? Forgive them as well because it was a non-consensual murder? What a nice excuse!
If a person is drunk - it's his/her own problem. If one is drunk he is still responsible for anything he/she does. Yes, including sex. If you can't control yourself when drunk, just don't drink at all and don't blame others for everything you did. That's how I see it.
Why drunk sex is non-consensual? What's about DUI? Maybe police should not arrest and fine drunks because it was a non-consensual driving? What's about drunk people who committed a murder? Forget them as well because it was a non-consensual murder?
If a person is drunk - it's his/her own problems. If one is drunk he is still responsible for anything he/she does. Yes, including sex. If you can't control yourself when drunk, just don't drink at all and don't blame others for everything you did. That's how I see it.
agreed
you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..
If a person is drunk - it's his/her own problem. If one is drunk he is still responsible for anything he/she does. Yes, including sex. If you can't control yourself when drunk, just don't drink at all and don't blame others for everything you did. That's how I see it.
Why drunk sex is non-consensual? What's about DUI? Maybe police should not arrest and fine drunks because it was "just" a non-consensual driving? What's about drunk people who committed a murder? Forgive them as well because it was a non-consensual murder? What a nice excuse!
If a person is drunk - it's his/her own problem. If one is drunk he is still responsible for anything he/she does. Yes, including sex. If you can't control yourself when drunk, just don't drink at all and don't blame others for everything you did. That's how I see it.
Finally .... a topic you're qualified to lecture about.
Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, or below the legal age of consent. Good luck with that.
If a person is drunk - it's his/her own problem. If one is drunk he is still responsible for anything he/she does. Yes, including sex. If you can't control yourself when drunk, just don't drink at all and don't blame others for everything you did. That's how I see it.
i think one should take into account the physical difference in the genders, which to me complicates the idea of personal responsibility because, in most cases, a woman cannot stop a man from taking her. there is no female-to-male type of equivalent crime. I generally agree that a woman should have the right to get black-out drunk without getting converted to unconscious sex toy. Men should be raised to be respectful to passed out ladies.
however the whole issue of personal responsibility is complicated by being black-out drunk: if the woman is not responsible for being unable to decline sex, how can a guy be responsible for black-out behavior if he cannot control himself as well? the Man picks who the perps/victims are based on who got hurt.
Not sure what the laws are if the person is drunk. I find the behavior a bit predatory, but I don't know if I would go as far as calling it rape. As long as they are not directly involved with their intoxication, e.g. dropped pill into drink, then I can't see how they can be arrested for rape. It's morally wrong, but as long as the girl can walk or talk, there's implied consent. If she's passed out...yeah, that's not only illegal, it's pretty fucking creepy.
Criminal laws differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and there is no one size fits all answer for every jurisdiction, but in general, US jurisdictions these days define rape/aggravated criminal sexual assault by statutes as a penetration by force without the consent of the victim - and they usually deal with the consent issue in the statute, defining a class of victims who are incapable of consent, people who are unconscious, mentally disabled, or so intoxicated that they are unable to appreciate what is going on and to consent to it.
Getting to that point in law was a slow process of change, state by state. In the old days of the "common law" crimes, rape was usually described as a penetration by force "against the will" of the victim rather than "without the consent". That made it easier to defend a rape case where there was little or no evidence of any resistance. Early in my career, in the JAG Corps in Germany, I defended a soldier who simply started by making out with a female soldier sleeping on a sofa in the day room of their company, fully clothed, during the daytime. That woke her up. It progressed to intercourse. The victim admitted in the Article 32 Hearing that she never resisted and never told my client to stop, though she did not want to do this. There was no weapon, and no threats or offers of violence were expressed. The charges were dismissed. Under the UCMJ at the time, the offense was required to be "against the will" of the victim and the investigating officer and the commander concluded that the case was too weak to have much of a chance of conviction at trial.
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Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
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