News Rousey goes down in defeat!

[SilentKnight]

MELBOURNE, Australia -- Ronda Rousey was the UFC's unstoppable force until Holly Holm used the former champion's aggression against her to produce one of the sport's biggest upsets.
Rousey chased Holm around the ring at UFC 193 on Sunday -- looking for the right hold and taking head shots along the way -- until Holm saw an opening 59 seconds into the second round and snapped a kick to the head that immediately dropped her more fancied opponent to the canvas.
Holm (10-0) jumped on the prone Rousey, delivering several blows to her head before the referee intervened, ending Rousey's 12-fight unbeaten run and handing Holm the bantamweight title.



Holly Holm knocks out Ronda Rousey to take UFC bantamweight title | CTV News

[xXXtesy10]

run mouth too much, happens a lot

[pimpmaster9000]

she is a bad sport, refused to touch gloves, she ate foot LOL

[Spunky]

She can always fall back on her acting career lol

[8pt-buck]

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[Robbie]

One thing is for certain...if Rousey stays in the UFC and comes for a rematch, it will be the biggest women's fight in history.

[brassmonkey]

she's a total knockout!!

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by Robbie

One thing is for certain...if Rousey stays in the UFC and comes for a rematch, it will be the biggest women's fight in history.

LOL, its all the biggest ever all the time in the UFC, lol

[8pt-buck]

Originally Posted by Robbie

One thing is for certain...if Rousey stays in the UFC and comes for a rematch, it will be the biggest women's fight in history.

Agreed

[LatinCams]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

she is a bad sport, refused to touch gloves, she ate foot LOL

She didnt touch gloves because on the weighs-in Holly put her fist on Rondas face.

Awesome fight Holly totally kicked her ass !

[8pt-buck]

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Robbie

if Rousey stays in the UFC

Were was she considering going?

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Were was she considering going?

She's been throwing around the retirement word in a few interviews this year. Sounded like she wanted to fight cyborg then retire undefeated and go strictly into acting. Obviously her plans are fucked now.

[8pt-buck]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Were was she considering going?

The Philippines for a exclusive shoot with master content provider Brandon Ackerman.

Brandon's capabilities can rise Rhonda to the top, landing her major campaigns with Calvin klein, Versace and D&G.

[TheSquealer]

A simple fact of motor learning is that Rhonda will likely not beat Holly in a rematch. Rhonda was exposed for what i've always said she was. A fantastic grappler and horrible striker. The thing is that motor learning and improving timing, accuracy and speed requires repetition. There is no way around this basic biological necessity. Motor movements speed up only as your brain builds the neurological circuitry to identify the stimulus, select the response and program/execute the response. That's how motor movements in open loop motor processes (dynamic, changing, unstable environment such as a fight, vs just hitting pads/bags) are executed.

Through repetition, all of the neurons involved in the feed-forward and feedback motor and sensory loops form closer associations for faster firing. Then the axons of the neurons begin wrapping with myelin which is not only a sheath around the axon, but it does 3 critical things. 1) it accelerates the signals by a factor of up to 100. 2) it better regulates the timing of signals and 3) improves the refractory period allowing neurons to fire up to 30X faster. If you're doing the math it means that a simple motor task has the potential for a 3000% improvement.

Fast forward to the 10,000 hr / 10 year rule of acquiring world class skill and expertise (Chase & Simon, K. Anders Ericsson). Every world class performer (chess, basketball, art, piano etc) has generally put in 10 years or more of a very specific kind of practice... highly focused, intensely engaged, critical of errors, self correcting etc often called "deliberate practice". WHat is happening is that the brain is building and honing and improving the neural circuitry and improving the general skill level. Being that these circuits are living, they grow and that takes time.

Myelin ONLY grows in direct response to the neurons being fired (repetitions)


Neuron showing myelin insulation around the axon - which protects the signal from bleeding out, accelerates the signal, times the signal and reduces the refractory period between firing.

What does this mean.???

Basically, Rhonda cannot improve her striking to the level of Holly IF Holly continues to train with the same focused passion, intensity and focus and with the same level of coaching (feedback and correction, proper session structure etc). Meaning that the disparity between skill levels of both athletes will mostly remain the same and only really narrow over a very long period of time (years) as they reach the upper limits of their neuro-physioligical capacities for improvement. Just as Rhonda has to continue building her neural circuitry for better striking, footwork, head movement, defense, countering etc... Holly is doing the same.

There is no steroid or drug to improve the rate of motor learning. This means that Rhonda is where she is in her skill level and Holly where she is in her skill level. Rhonda will improve her fighting striking (which is a million miles behind Holly) and Holly will continue to develop and refine her striking skills.... causing a situation where Rhonda can't catch her.

Another fun fact of fighting. Rhonda is a great grappler. However, grappling takes a VERY long time to learn and is very tedious. This is try for a simple reason... you are extremely limited in the total number of reps you can attempt per session. For example, i might throw 2500 uppercuts in an hour doing drills - but you can't do 2500 armbars in an hr. This is why you can master a style of karate in a year and when putting in that same amount of time in BJJ, you won't even be 1/2 way to black belt level.

What doesn't take a long time to learn? Things you can do with a high degree of accuracy and repeat quickly, rep after rep after rep. Things that you can do the most repetitions. It is infinitely easier to teach take down defense by a BJJ practitioner/grappler than it is to teach grappling. Holm also demonstrated that simple fact. She was taken down, she defended herself, she srambled and escaped and got back to her feet. She can only improve dramatically in this area which again presents a major problem for Rhonda and a rematch.

So... here is what happens in a rematch.

Rhonda and Edmond realize that they need to be more patient, they need to slow down, to be more technical in striking, develop better footwork, keep her hands up, chin down etc etc etc and try to clean up her striking. It won't matter. It won't matter just for the same reasons it didn't help Barao against Dillashaw. Rennan was completely out-classed in striking in the first fight and got dominated for 5 rounds for the first time in his life. They went away and trained to emulated Dillashaw more... getting his feet moving etc. BUT... this fight again exposed an unfortunate truth of motor learning.... Rennan came out, light on his feet, not flat footed, moving etc... he again got popped in the first couple exchanges and did what? He went right back to doing what he's done for 15 years. That is because those neural circuits are dominant. They are highly honed... they form the "comfortable behaviors" or "natural behaviors". He got popped a few times, went back to the exact same person he was in the first fight and again got dominated and destroyed in what looked like a replay of the first fight.

Rhonda doesn't have time to catch up in striking. There is nothing she can do to improve her striking to a meaningful level against a many time world champion boxer/muay thai fighter but Holly can see very quick improvements in take down defense and escapes. Unless Rhonda gets lucky and connects, the fight will most likely go just like Dillashaw / Barao 2, for the exact same reasons.

Furthermore, Greg Jackson and Winklejohn are people that actually understand how to coach, actually understand how to teach, actually understand motor learning and actually understand how to maximize learning velocity. This is super critical - motor learning and skill development isn't about feel good moments of hitting the pads fast and hard. Pads don't hit back and have nothing to do with actual fighting.

[mineistaken]

^ So we all should put money on Holm in case of rematch and become rich?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

^ So we all should put money on Holm in case of rematch and become rich?

A fight is a fight... anything can happen. It's about probability and the skills/habits which influence a particular outcomes probability.

Holm in my view didn't show much against Pennington and I thought she was going to get crushed against Rousey. The last fight showed what she is capable of against raw aggression and someone that can put her down and submit her with extreme prejudice. She handled it very well... so then, how is Rhonda going to improve on 20 years of world class Judo/BJJ in 6 months? There just isn't much further to go for her. Even if there is, if she can't get Holm down, then its irrelevant. Her likely choice will be a bad choice (as commonly happens)... to work on new things which won't help her as it just takes a great deal of time to improve in a meaningful way and where the skill and expertise gap between the two of them in terms of striking is too large.

The probability of Rousey having an effective answer for Holm and her world class striking, movement, footwork, countering etc in say, a 6 month period is near zero. Holm's striking is great and will also improve and be sharpened in this time.

The probability of Holm improving her take down defense, scrambling/escaping and submission defense in the next 6 months or whatever time period there will be, is huge. It's something she's decent at, but its never been her primary skill. She has massive room for growth in something she's already quite decent at.

This fight again highlights a very flawed idea in MMA and that's said like a fucking mantra all the time and which drives me crazy... "controlling the center of the octagon". The idea being that you don't want to back backed into the cage and taken down. Just as Dillashaw did with Barrao (sp?) - you don't want ot be in the center if you have great footwork.If you have great footwork, you won't get backed into the cage anyway. If you are in the center without great footwork... you end up rotating in a circle as a target, always a 1/2 beat behind the person thats on the outside forcing you to keep turning as they attack and back out a 90 degree angle, then attack again as the person in the center keeps attempting to adjust to the persons position of the person on the outside.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

she is a bad sport, refused to touch gloves, she ate foot LOL

[vittle]

Rhonda looked a little off when she entered the octagon. Face was pale/yellowish. Although, even at 100%, she would have lost that fight. Holly was ready!

[adultchatpay]

She was blinded by her "superstar" status. And she got KTFO!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by vittle

Rhonda looked a little off when she entered the octagon. Face was pale/yellowish. Although, even at 100%, she would have lost that fight. Holly was ready!

[MFCT]

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Ronda's spirit is broken. Because I've never heard of a losing fighter not giving as much as one press conference or an interview after a fight. Maybe losing so badly and so completely has affected her to the point where her heart isn't really into fighting anymore.

Even if that's true, I suppose she'll still agree to a "fight-of-the-century" rematch. She won't go into it expecting to win. But the UFC will make her an offer she can't refu$e. TheSquealer really laid it down, good posts bro. Ronda is never going to beat Holly at her own game of boxing/kicking, any more than Holly is going to beat Ronda grappling on the floor. Which is why Holly won't let it get to that point. Which means Ronda will have to make due trying to out-box a world-class boxer. And Ronda will lose again. But its something she may accept, because she'll take a shit-ton payday, retire, and be done with it.

Like TheSquealer said, in a fight anything can happen. But I can't see Ronda taking hits like that again without a guaranteed same end-result.

[EngineCash]

Go Holly... She beat her up and deserved this title...

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

A simple fact of motor learning is that Rhonda will likely not beat Holly in a rematch. Rhonda was exposed for what i've always said she was. A fantastic grappler and horrible striker. The thing is that motor learning and improving timing, accuracy and speed requires repetition. There is no way around this basic biological necessity. Motor movements speed up only as your brain builds the neurological circuitry to identify the stimulus, select the response and program/execute the response. That's how motor movements in open loop motor processes (dynamic, changing, unstable environment such as a fight, vs just hitting pads/bags) are executed.

Through repetition, all of the neurons involved in the feed-forward and feedback motor and sensory loops form closer associations for faster firing. Then the axons of the neurons begin wrapping with myelin which is not only a sheath around the axon, but it does 3 critical things. 1) it accelerates the signals by a factor of up to 100. 2) it better regulates the timing of signals and 3) improves the refractory period allowing neurons to fire up to 30X faster. If you're doing the math it means that a simple motor task has the potential for a 3000% improvement.

Fast forward to the 10,000 hr / 10 year rule of acquiring world class skill and expertise (Chase & Simon, K. Anders Ericsson). Every world class performer (chess, basketball, art, piano etc) has generally put in 10 years or more of a very specific kind of practice... highly focused, intensely engaged, critical of errors, self correcting etc often called "deliberate practice". WHat is happening is that the brain is building and honing and improving the neural circuitry and improving the general skill level. Being that these circuits are living, they grow and that takes time.

Myelin ONLY grows in direct response to the neurons being fired (repetitions)


Neuron showing myelin insulation around the axon - which protects the signal from bleeding out, accelerates the signal, times the signal and reduces the refractory period between firing.

What does this mean.???

Basically, Rhonda cannot improve her striking to the level of Holly IF Holly continues to train with the same focused passion, intensity and focus and with the same level of coaching (feedback and correction, proper session structure etc). Meaning that the disparity between skill levels of both athletes will mostly remain the same and only really narrow over a very long period of time (years) as they reach the upper limits of their neuro-physioligical capacities for improvement. Just as Rhonda has to continue building her neural circuitry for better striking, footwork, head movement, defense, countering etc... Holly is doing the same.

There is no steroid or drug to improve the rate of motor learning. This means that Rhonda is where she is in her skill level and Holly where she is in her skill level. Rhonda will improve her fighting striking (which is a million miles behind Holly) and Holly will continue to develop and refine her striking skills.... causing a situation where Rhonda can't catch her.

Another fun fact of fighting. Rhonda is a great grappler. However, grappling takes a VERY long time to learn and is very tedious. This is try for a simple reason... you are extremely limited in the total number of reps you can attempt per session. For example, i might throw 2500 uppercuts in an hour doing drills - but you can't do 2500 armbars in an hr. This is why you can master a style of karate in a year and when putting in that same amount of time in BJJ, you won't even be 1/2 way to black belt level.

What doesn't take a long time to learn? Things you can do with a high degree of accuracy and repeat quickly, rep after rep after rep. Things that you can do the most repetitions. It is infinitely easier to teach take down defense by a BJJ practitioner/grappler than it is to teach grappling. Holm also demonstrated that simple fact. She was taken down, she defended herself, she srambled and escaped and got back to her feet. She can only improve dramatically in this area which again presents a major problem for Rhonda and a rematch.

So... here is what happens in a rematch.

Rhonda and Edmond realize that they need to be more patient, they need to slow down, to be more technical in striking, develop better footwork, keep her hands up, chin down etc etc etc and try to clean up her striking. It won't matter. It won't matter just for the same reasons it didn't help Barao against Dillashaw. Rennan was completely out-classed in striking in the first fight and got dominated for 5 rounds for the first time in his life. They went away and trained to emulated Dillashaw more... getting his feet moving etc. BUT... this fight again exposed an unfortunate truth of motor learning.... Rennan came out, light on his feet, not flat footed, moving etc... he again got popped in the first couple exchanges and did what? He went right back to doing what he's done for 15 years. That is because those neural circuits are dominant. They are highly honed... they form the "comfortable behaviors" or "natural behaviors". He got popped a few times, went back to the exact same person he was in the first fight and again got dominated and destroyed in what looked like a replay of the first fight.

Rhonda doesn't have time to catch up in striking. There is nothing she can do to improve her striking to a meaningful level against a many time world champion boxer/muay thai fighter but Holly can see very quick improvements in take down defense and escapes. Unless Rhonda gets lucky and connects, the fight will most likely go just like Dillashaw / Barao 2, for the exact same reasons.

Furthermore, Greg Jackson and Winklejohn are people that actually understand how to coach, actually understand how to teach, actually understand motor learning and actually understand how to maximize learning velocity. This is super critical - motor learning and skill development isn't about feel good moments of hitting the pads fast and hard. Pads don't hit back and have nothing to do with actual fighting.

Ronda is not a great striker and that was clearly exposed with Holm. That said, I think she is clearly capable of beating her in a rematch. Ronda in her last few fights seemed like she was out to prove a point. After people were talking about how she beats everyone with an arm bar she seemed to make it a point to win differently. If the girl she was facing was known for being a striker, Ronda seemed to want to beat her striking. If she is a grappler, Ronda wanted to beat her grappling. It wasn't enough for her to just win, she wanted to beat that girl at what she did best.

Up until Holm, Ronda had always just been better at those things than the girl she was facing. With Holm that wasn't the case. Her coach didn't help. After the first round he told her how great she was doing and encouraged her. He should have been screaming at her to take Holm to the ground and choke her out. I also think Ronda was distracted with all the press, travel and everything else surrounding her.

If there is a rematch and Ronda is serious, she can come up with a game plan to close the distance and take the fight to the ground where she will have a big advantage. That sense of invincibility and her need to prove her greatness is now gone. She no longer has to worry about trying to win fantastically, she can just focus on winning period.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MFCT

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Ronda's spirit is broken. Because I've never heard of a losing fighter not giving as much as one press conference or an interview after a fight. Maybe losing so badly and so completely has affected her to the point where her heart isn't really into fighting anymore.

Even if that's true, I suppose she'll still agree to a "fight-of-the-century" rematch. She won't go into it expecting to win. But the UFC will make her an offer she can't refu$e. TheSquealer really laid it down, good posts bro. Ronda is never going to beat Holly at her own game of boxing/kicking, any more than Holly is going to beat Ronda grappling on the floor. Which is why Holly won't let it get to that point. Which means Ronda will have to make due trying to out-box a world-class boxer. And Ronda will lose again. But its something she may accept, because she'll take a shit-ton payday, retire, and be done with it.

Like TheSquealer said, in a fight anything can happen. But I can't see Ronda taking hits like that again without a guaranteed same end-result.

Ronda was transported to the hospital right after the fight which is why she wasn't at the press conference or doing any kind of interviews.

I'm sure she is devastated by the loss. Any good fighter would be. At this point she can either say "fuck it" I've spent my life training and getting hit for a living and do movies or whatever (she likely has millions in the bank). Or she can rededicate herself and try to come back better than ever. I guess we will have to wait and see which she will be.

[MrBottomTooth]

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

Ronda is not a great striker and that was clearly exposed with Holm. That said, I think she is clearly capable of beating her in a rematch. Ronda in her last few fights seemed like she was out to prove a point. After people were talking about how she beats everyone with an arm bar she seemed to make it a point to win differently. If the girl she was facing was known for being a striker, Ronda seemed to want to beat her striking. If she is a grappler, Ronda wanted to beat her grappling. It wasn't enough for her to just win, she wanted to beat that girl at what she did best.

Up until Holm, Ronda had always just been better at those things than the girl she was facing. With Holm that wasn't the case. Her coach didn't help. After the first round he told her how great she was doing and encouraged her. He should have been screaming at her to take Holm to the ground and choke her out. I also think Ronda was distracted with all the press, travel and everything else surrounding her.

If there is a rematch and Ronda is serious, she can come up with a game plan to close the distance and take the fight to the ground where she will have a big advantage. That sense of invincibility and her need to prove her greatness is now gone. She no longer has to worry about trying to win fantastically, she can just focus on winning period.

Rhonda was NEVER a decent striker and its been "exposed" every time she's tried to strike. Trust me. It's all I do... Box and Muay Thai. Her and Tate went 3 rounds, trading shots, completely unable to do any damage or slow the other down and frankly, it perfectly demonstrated how terrible their striking is. This fight also showed how little she's improved over a couple years. She's bad at it. She has bad coaching. She's a terrible striker. Not just in terms of form and technique and defense/countering but in their ability to generate any sort of power - which again is about proper mechanics, time, correction/feedback and endless repetition,... not muscle and anger. You can't generate and transfer kinetic energy to a target effectively simply because you have "the will to win" or a mean look on your face or "a new plan". You can't spontaneously correct all the problems she has with her striking (terrible footwork, head movement, chin up, hands down, poor technique over all, bad timing, poor countering, poor defense etc). It will take years and she still won't be anywhere near Holm in terms of skill, expertise and experience.

Rhonda was never better at "fighting" with her opponents. She was always infinitely better at grappling. Most of her opponents charged right at her or tried to grapple with her, usually with disastrous results. As Holm demonstrated, grappling is just one potential part of an MMA fight... and the fatal flaw in grappling in MMA if there could be said to be one is that ALL fights start with both opponents on their feet.

As I explained in quite a bit of detail, there is no possible way to improve her striking to any degree which will be useful against someone who is a world class striker any more than Holm will improve her grappling to match that of a world class grappler. However, a huge factor again is the fact that take down defense/scrambling/escaping is VERY EASY to drill over and over and over and over (i.e. line up 20 guys taking turns trying to take an individual down, going for maximum repetitions, correcting form each time etc). That again presents a problem as Holm will be harder to get to the ground and harder to keep on the ground.

A simple fact about the womens division is that for the most part, they still suck. There are some good women fighters but the honest fact is that the overall skill level is still fairly low. Experience levels are fairly low. Total training time is fairly small. Males have had forever to learn and evolve (just watch UFC 1 to see a bunch of hapless retards trying to "fight") and women are still at the beginning stages in MMA in terms of evolution and experience. Competition is uneven. Experience is poor. Someone like Holm has more striking experience, skill and expertise than any woman in MMA will likely have in the next decade. Just as is true for Rhonda and grappling. Holm and Rousey are the only two women really that have that level of skill and experience in a discipline and it won't be matched by anyone else, any time soon.

Again, my prediction is that there will be a rematch and Rousey will get picked apart again. Exactly like Dillashaw/Barrao and for the exact same neuro-physiological reasons. Besides, Edmond isn't that good. Greg Jackson and Mike Winklejohn are.

People really don't get what it feels like to be in front of someone, getting popped in the face and feeling like there is nothing you can do to stop it. Feeling like nothing you do is working. Feeling like you can't land anything. Everyone can be broken. Everyone can be broken fairly quickly. As one of the Gracies said... "punch a black belt and he instantly becomes a brown belt, punch him again, he's a purple belt, punch him again... he's blue" etc etc. This is the problem Rhonda has to overcome.

[djroof]

it was a shock!

[ownedbox]

such a huge upset. Never have i seen it coming. I lost 2btc for this fight.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by ownedbox

such a huge upset. Never have i seen it coming. I lost 2btc for this fight.

What was the odds? Somebody posted and I saw something like 1.03 on Ronda. Why do you bother with that? Maybe they were higher, like 1.05? 1.07? Still why bother with these odds, I mean you should believe that out of 50 or 30 fights all of them would be won by Ronda. That is too much.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by 8pt-buck

The Philippines for a exclusive shoot with master content provider Brandon Ackerman.

Brandon's capabilities can rise Rhonda to the top, landing her major campaigns with Calvin klein, Versace and D&G.

[Paul]

Dana White looked gutted

TheSquealer what's your thoughts on the McGregor/Aldo fight next month?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

grappling is just one potential part of an MMA fight... and the fatal flaw in grappling in MMA if there could be said to be one is that ALL fights start with both opponents on their feet..

it is much easier to take a non-grappler down than it is to KO a grappler...

[Austin - MrSkinCash]

Still waiting for Floyd Mayweather to say something ridiculous about this

[Robbie]

Everyone has a plan...until they get punched in the face.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Austin - MrSkinCash

Still waiting for Floyd Mayweather to say something ridiculous about this

like he cares!

[CDSmith]

The impression of the fight to me was Holm trained for the biggest fight of her life while Rousey trained for her 'next' fight.

USA Today says "The rematch will be huge".... total understatement. The odds won't be the same though. Anyone thinking they'll be able to make 6:1 on Holm in a rematch are in for a rude awakening. Her standing just went up immeasurably.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by Austin - MrSkinCash

Still waiting for Floyd Mayweather to say something ridiculous about this

50 cent is posting photoshops of Rousey knocked out and says Mayweather asked him to post it.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

it is much easier to take a non-grappler down than it is to KO a grappler...

its many times easier to practice take down defense than to learn grappling.

its many times easier to improve take down defense/scrambling/escaping than it is to improve every aspect of striking.

[Jayblack187]

i told you guys back in 08-31-2015, shes all hype and not as good as everyone thinks
she got totally owned ,