Meat, formerly from net pond

[AaronM]

I recently heard something about Meat from somebody who has always been a reputable source. However, when discussing this topic with others who I would usually expect to know something about this, none of them did.

I'm not looking to start any rumors here but if anybody else has recently heard anything, I'd like to get some clarification.

[rogueteens]

Is it the story that he died? That went around at the same time that hahahahahahaha ripped everybody off, both on the forum and with their two sponsor programmes.

The cynic in me finds that a bit convienent.

[fris]

whos meat?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by fris

whos meat?

Aga's former partner

[Sharky]

I heard he passed as well. but I don't know how reliable the 3rd party source was. I just considered it a rumor at the time.

[AdultEUhost-Sebas]

I like meat! :-)

[TurboAngel]

Well my dear tell us what you heard?

[Evil Chris]

Meatman is a true pioneer in this business.
Hopefully he's doing just fine.

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Meatman is a true pioneer in this business.

Paying 5 cents per post certainly was a pioneer idea at the time.

[Dejan]

aren't they both like really old dudes... meat and aga...

[Nickatilynx]

Yeah Meat and Aga ended up ripping everyone off after they bought nepond from me.

Sad really.

I too have heard that Meat had passed. But I have no real conmfirmation of it.

Though for him to be absent from Ntpond to me is strange.He truly loved that place.

Also though Meat and I had our differences , he was not a crook and would not want to be involved with ripping off Npond members.

Only one that knows prolly is Aga ,and I do not think he is saying

[rogueteens]

n etpond were the first people to rip me off in this biz.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by AdultEUhost-Sebas

I like cock! :-)

i like poo !

[stonehammer]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

n etpond were the first people to rip me off in this biz.

yeah i loved hahahahahahaha and got started there as well....

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Yeah Meat and Aga ended up ripping everyone off after they bought nepond from me.

Sad really.

I too have heard that Meat had passed. But I have no real conmfirmation of it.

Though for him to be absent from Ntpond to me is strange.He truly loved that place.

Also though Meat and I had our differences , he was not a crook and would not want to be involved with ripping off Npond members.

Only one that knows prolly is Aga ,and I do not think he is saying

You say he ripped people off, but he's not a crook? yeah that makes a lot of sense.

contradictory statements there! I just remember them freaking out when we had our board... um yeah. lol

[Sarah_Jayne]

Even though, I also ended up not getting paid too, I dearly hope he is alive.

[DK]

Meatman was the first dude I met in this biz, that boy loved his weed!! lol
He and I created "the pond" (originally as C.O.N.D.O.M. Project) back in 97 i think.

I heard he moved back to New Zealand after the "the pond" fiasco and I heard more recently that he died, can't confirm tho.

who can name the guy with the beard next to Meat? lol



*edited to remove the ha ha's

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by DK

Meatman was the first dude I met in this biz, that boy loved his weed!! lol
He and I created "the pond" (originally as C.O.N.D.O.M. Project) back in 97 i think.

I heard he moved back to New Zealand after the "the pond" fiasco and I heard more recently that he died, can't confirm tho.

who can name the guy with the beard next to Meat? lol

Hey DK

I know that guy! lol.

I heard Meat moved to NZ as well, to help and spend time his mom was it? I hoped the rumor that he had passed was just a rumor.

[Gabriel]

Serge and Dragonking?

[DK]

Gabriel you just Dated yourself! lol

Hey Brujah! Check you email !

[candyflip]

That's Serge in the photo right?

[DK]

yep Serge lol
I have one of him in a red speedo but that never leaves my personal spank bank collection

[Maqua]

Good pic of Meat - if he passed that is very sad

[digitaldivas]

meat helped me out alot when i started

[JFK]

a few shots...............

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by JFK

Why does he have a cock sticking out of his chest?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by DK

yep Serge lol
I have one of him in a red speedo but that never leaves my personal spank bank collection

Hey DK, the person I got my info from is also interested in catching up with you. Got an email addy I can forward?

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by DK

I heard he moved back to New Zealand after the "the pond" fiasco and I heard more recently that he died, can't confirm tho.

If thats true then he was a total scammer (along with his NP cohorts),I'm sure i remember that hahahahahahaha tried to make out part of the reason why they failed to pay anyone was because he had died.

[pocketkangaroo]

Wouldn't be the first time someone who ripped off a lot of people faked their death. Easy way to get people to stop bugging you about the money you owe them.

[GAMEFINEST]

said to see NP end up the way it is now..

[porno jew]

guy looks like paul markham's retarded brother.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by porno jew

guy looks like paul markham's retarded brother.

[Vjo]

Ya know the day this biz started to go to hell (for the affil)?

Seriously.

The day Meatman sold Meatcash.

[Vjo]

I mean the fucken recurs evaporated over the next 2-3 months long time recurs it is so sad it is funny Not!

[Vjo]

Shows ya Meatman knew how to run a paysite and make money.

I bet if he still ran it, it might have a shot of actually being a good seller yet today. All them good archives he'd have at this point. He took care of the customer. He did things right. He sold and held on to customers.

He also had a killer network. Meat Melons, you know, a ton of good sites that sold in his network and (could of) recurred forever.

That one getting away hurt about as bad as Facebook of Sex getting away.

[Anthony]

Meatcash was never owned by Greg. You might want to get your facts straight.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Shows ya Meatman knew how to run a paysite and make money.

I bet if he still ran it, it might have a shot of actually being a good seller yet today. All them good archives he'd have at this point. He took care of the customer. He did things right. He sold and held on to customers.

He also had a killer network. Meat Melons, you know, a ton of good sites that sold in his network and (could of) recurred forever.

That one getting away hurt about as bad as Facebook of Sex getting away.

As Anthony said ,Meatman did not own meatcash and knew shit about running a paysite. LOL

Cherrylula , sorry for not being clear.I think it was the people that Meat got involved with that brought np down.Not Meatman's intentional doing.

Meat was/is a very nice guy , but everyone that knew him , I mean REALLY knew him , knew he was not that bright. LOL Aga however is sharp as a whip.

He was very good at networking , but honestly , webmastering? running a paysite?...did not have a clue.Tried to teach people the part he understood that people taught him though.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by DK

Meatman was the first dude I met in this biz, that boy loved his weed!! lol
He and I created "the pond" (originally as C.O.N.D.O.M. Project) back in 97 i think.

I heard he moved back to New Zealand after the "the pond" fiasco and I heard more recently that he died, can't confirm tho.

who can name the guy with the beard next to Meat? lol



*edited to remove the ha ha's

I aint saying.
But Meat and Aga once gave me some good advice while in a cab back from the bearded guys house to Miami. They were always good in my book even though they wanted to beat my ass in San Diego one night at a bar...

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

said to see NP end up the way it is now..

Agreed..I had some good times and learned a lot on that board.

[DK]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Hey DK, the person I got my info from is also interested in catching up with you. Got an email addy I can forward?

Thanks Aaron! please send to dragon@ bad boys media .com

really appreciate it!


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[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by DK

who can name the guy with the beard next to Meat? lol

my boy serge, learned a bit from him too

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

As Anthony said ,Meatman did not own meatcash and knew shit about running a paysite. LOL

Cherrylula , sorry for not being clear.I think it was the people that Meat got involved with that brought np down.Not Meatman's intentional doing.

Meat was/is a very nice guy , but everyone that knew him , I mean REALLY knew him , knew he was not that bright. LOL Aga however is sharp as a whip.

He was very good at networking , but honestly , webmastering? running a paysite?...did not have a clue.Tried to teach people the part he understood that people taught him though.

alright, gotcha. Maybe I just recall Aga who was such an asshole. Those np guys were so far up our ass when we launched dmpm, I couldn't believe it. They flamed us on our own board! LOL

What I learned from them? That what we were doing was successful, that's what I learned. Not in a positive way though.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Paying 5 cents per post certainly was a pioneer idea at the time.

What do you call it when they stop paying and owe people money for their posts? LOL!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

What do you call it when they stop paying and owe people money for their posts? LOL!

another pioneer idea!!!!!

[TheSquealer]

People can say what they want about Meat and Aga but I can see that few know what they are talking about. What people did, who they helped, how kind they were at shows and who bought the drinks has NOTHING to do with how things ended. Just because someone was nice at shows, doesn't make them competent or competent business people.

The simple fact is that Meat is/was so fucking dumb, he needed help tying his shoes. I understand people like Meat but he had more than a few screws loose. Anyone denying that, doesn't know him and its as simple as that. Aga, for whatever reason seemed to feel he was Meats caretaker and made what I always thought to be an honest effort to babysit him and take care of him in spite of the fact that Meat was a massive liability in everything they were doing. No one could really understand this unless you knew what was going on behind the scenes and there were many many many people trying to convince Aga to part ways with Meat well before NPC died.

Afterall, Nick is posting here and he first took The Pond from Meat and fucked Meat out of his own forum because Meat was a fucking retard and a mess and a liability and a horrible business person... not because he woke up one day and said to himself "hey, i'm going to steal his domain because I can". Aga at least tried to help Meat and make it work without fucking him over... even though it was clear to all who knew what was going on that Meat was just going to drag Aga and every venture down.

There were many people trying to tell Aga "if you don't lose this guy, everything is going to fail" but Aga never cut his ties with Meat.

I don't believe Aga or Gregg had the intention to rip people off. Like any business ran by shitty and inept business people, it fell apart. All their ventures fell apart. All their partnerships fell apart. NP itself fell apart. They always mismanaged money even when NP was near its peak and Meat was living in a rented mansion (er.."NP headquarters"), flying the entire crew to shows etc. Once the domino's start falling, bill stop getting paid. All their ventures collapsed... from the board, to the dialer, to NPC/beta brigade or whatever.

Aga is smart, but it wasn't the smart guy that was the biggest problem. Among all their other problems, including any real lack of business sense, it was Aga's constant need to try to keep the painfully dumb guy and his endless string of "we gotta do this now" insanely stupid and poorly executed ideas from happening. If some of you people knew the shit that Aga had to spend his time talking Meat out of, you'd certainly have a different opinion of Meat. Aga never had the balls to sit Meat down and say "Hey man, uhm... maybe you aren't the right guy to be meeting with execs from British Telecom or the Russian government" - instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat.

People call a failing business "scammers" because the bills don't get paid. Businesses fail. Money runs out. People don't get paid when there's no money to pay. They didn't try to scam anyone, they just put themselves in the position where a lot of people ended up getting screwed as the board revenues and NPC collapsed at the about the same time.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

said to see NP end up the way it is now..

who owns it now ?

[Steve Awesome]

Originally Posted by DK

Meatman was the first dude I met in this biz, that boy loved his weed!! lol
He and I created "the pond" (originally as C.O.N.D.O.M. Project) back in 97 i think.

I heard he moved back to New Zealand after the "the pond" fiasco and I heard more recently that he died, can't confirm tho.

who can name the guy with the beard next to Meat? lol



*edited to remove the ha ha's

I look at that and all I can think is GET THE FUCK OFF THE HOOD OF MY CAR!

[travs]

i used to hangout alot at the pond...good times

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People can say what they want about Meat and Aga but I can see that few know what they are talking about. What people did, who they helped, how kind they were at shows and who bought the drinks has NOTHING to do with how things ended. Just because someone was nice at shows, doesn't make them competent or competent business people.

The simple fact is that Meat is/was so fucking dumb, he needed help tying his shoes. I understand people like Meat but he had more than a few screws loose. Anyone denying that, doesn't know him and its as simple as that. Aga, for whatever reason seemed to feel he was Meats caretaker and made what I always thought to be an honest effort to babysit him and take care of him in spite of the fact that Meat was a massive liability in everything they were doing. No one could really understand this unless you knew what was going on behind the scenes and there were many many many people trying to convince Aga to part ways with Meat well before NPC died.

Afterall, Nick is posting here and he first took The Pond from Meat and fucked Meat out of his own forum because Meat was a fucking retard and a mess and a liability and a horrible business person... not because he woke up one day and said to himself "hey, i'm going to steal his domain because I can". Aga at least tried to help Meat and make it work without fucking him over... even though it was clear to all who knew what was going on that Meat was just going to drag Aga and every venture down.

There were many people trying to tell Aga "if you don't lose this guy, everything is going to fail" but Aga never cut his ties with Meat.

I don't believe Aga or Gregg had the intention to rip people off. Like any business ran by shitty and inept business people, it fell apart. All their ventures fell apart. All their partnerships fell apart. NP itself fell apart. They always mismanaged money even when NP was near its peak and Meat was living in a rented mansion (er.."NP headquarters"), flying the entire crew to shows etc. Once the domino's start falling, bill stop getting paid. All their ventures collapsed... from the board, to the dialer, to NPC/beta brigade or whatever.

Aga is smart, but it wasn't the smart guy that was the biggest problem. Among all their other problems, including any real lack of business sense, it was Aga's constant need to try to keep the painfully dumb guy and his endless string of "we gotta do this now" insanely stupid and poorly executed ideas from happening. If some of you people knew the shit that Aga had to spend his time talking Meat out of, you'd certainly have a different opinion of Meat. Aga never had the balls to sit Meat down and say "Hey man, uhm... maybe you aren't the right guy to be meeting with execs from British Telecom or the Russian government" - instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat.

People call a failing business "scammers" because the bills don't get paid. Businesses fail. Money runs out. People don't get paid when there's no money to pay. They didn't try to scam anyone, they just put themselves in the position where a lot of people ended up getting screwed as the board revenues and NPC collapsed at the about the same time.

Damn, who are you? LOL

Cannot argue with that summation in general at all. Except in fairness to me ;-), I babysat Meat for a couple of years !!!! , before myself and everyone involved in NP accepted he was never going to be anything more than a liability , so we tried to sorta pension him off.

"""instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat."""

You missed "with tourets"...guy said fuck every 6th word lol

[porno jew]

astute analysis as usual.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

People can say what they want about Meat and Aga but I can see that few know what they are talking about. What people did, who they helped, how kind they were at shows and who bought the drinks has NOTHING to do with how things ended. Just because someone was nice at shows, doesn't make them competent or competent business people.

The simple fact is that Meat is/was so fucking dumb, he needed help tying his shoes. I understand people like Meat but he had more than a few screws loose. Anyone denying that, doesn't know him and its as simple as that. Aga, for whatever reason seemed to feel he was Meats caretaker and made what I always thought to be an honest effort to babysit him and take care of him in spite of the fact that Meat was a massive liability in everything they were doing. No one could really understand this unless you knew what was going on behind the scenes and there were many many many people trying to convince Aga to part ways with Meat well before NPC died.

Afterall, Nick is posting here and he first took The Pond from Meat and fucked Meat out of his own forum because Meat was a fucking retard and a mess and a liability and a horrible business person... not because he woke up one day and said to himself "hey, i'm going to steal his domain because I can". Aga at least tried to help Meat and make it work without fucking him over... even though it was clear to all who knew what was going on that Meat was just going to drag Aga and every venture down.

There were many people trying to tell Aga "if you don't lose this guy, everything is going to fail" but Aga never cut his ties with Meat.

I don't believe Aga or Gregg had the intention to rip people off. Like any business ran by shitty and inept business people, it fell apart. All their ventures fell apart. All their partnerships fell apart. NP itself fell apart. They always mismanaged money even when NP was near its peak and Meat was living in a rented mansion (er.."NP headquarters"), flying the entire crew to shows etc. Once the domino's start falling, bill stop getting paid. All their ventures collapsed... from the board, to the dialer, to NPC/beta brigade or whatever.

Aga is smart, but it wasn't the smart guy that was the biggest problem. Among all their other problems, including any real lack of business sense, it was Aga's constant need to try to keep the painfully dumb guy and his endless string of "we gotta do this now" insanely stupid and poorly executed ideas from happening. If some of you people knew the shit that Aga had to spend his time talking Meat out of, you'd certainly have a different opinion of Meat. Aga never had the balls to sit Meat down and say "Hey man, uhm... maybe you aren't the right guy to be meeting with execs from British Telecom or the Russian government" - instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat.

People call a failing business "scammers" because the bills don't get paid. Businesses fail. Money runs out. People don't get paid when there's no money to pay. They didn't try to scam anyone, they just put themselves in the position where a lot of people ended up getting screwed as the board revenues and NPC collapsed at the about the same time.