A vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment.

[Rob]

People are sick and tired of career politicians, and a vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment. We've been lied to, cheated, stolen from, over taxed, forced to buy shit we didn't want, and led to near economic ruin by greedy career politicians for decades. Americans are sick of it, and are demanding change. Trump might not be the ideal choice, but he's not a member of the "Club", therefore the obvious choice. The system is broken, and the people are getting wise to the game. That's the reason for Trump's popularity. They can try to trash him as hard as they want, it will only solidify his support.

It's scaring the hell out of the career politicians, hence all the campaigning and lies in the media against Trump. I'd take a greedy business man any day over a lying, and cheating lawyer, which 90% or more career politicians are. The media doesn't want Trump in office because he won't play ball with them. How do you bribe a billionaire with trashy lobbyist money, too. You can't.

A vote for Trump is a vote against a broken system.

[plaster]

Thank you captain obvious for the summary. It will, in fact, be breaking news for some and that is why your thread will have some value.

[potter]

This is why you're such a tool, you'll simply vote straight party lines no matter who it is. You think Trump is going to get the nod and so you're idealizing him to convince yourself why it's OK to vote for him. It doesn't even matter if what you've said is true and he is anti-establishment / career politician. You can't polish a piece of shit by finding one shining star in it, it's still just shit. Even if there is a candidate who is the absolute best anti-establishment anti-career-politician person out there. If you've said 2% of the things Trump has said than you don't deserve to sit in the white house.

This is the problem with so many in this country. You don't vote for the best candidate, or a candidate worthy of the position. You either vote your party line, or you vote for what you think is the "lesser of two evils". No one votes for the right reasons anymore. :twocents:

[Rob]

Originally Posted by potter

This is why you're such a tool, you'll simply vote straight party lines no matter who it is. You think Trump is going to get the nod and so you're idealizing him to convince yourself why it's OK to vote for him.

This is the problem with so many in this country. You don't vote for the best candidate, or a candidate worthy of the position. You either vote your party line, or you vote for what you think is the "lesser of two evils". No one votes for the right reasons anymore. :twocents:

I'm not voting for Trump, and I'm not a Trump supporter. To be honest, I don't see a single GOP candidate worth a shit. Then again, I don't see any Democrat candidate worth a shit either. If you're given two options, wouldn't you vote for the "lesser evil"? It's not like they're putting 10 candidates in front of us and letting us choose the best out of the bunch. We're pretty much forced to vote for who they put in front of us. Yeah, we can write in, but that's just throwing your vote away.

I was simply pointing out why Trump is getting so much support, and I hope it's a sign of things to come. Shake up DC a little bit, and hopefully get some quality candidates who aren't career politicians. Some of the best Presidents we've ever had were not career politicians, and they did stellar jobs. But that hasn't happened since Reagan.

BTW, I consider myself a well informed voter and have NEVER voted party line. Ever. I actually do my research before hitting the polls. My

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by plaster

Thank you captain obvious for the summary. It will, in fact, be breaking news for some and that is why your thread will have some value.

hey wait.. Cheney can't run as VP again, right?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rob

BTW, I consider myself a well informed voter and have NEVER voted party line. Ever. I actually do my research before hitting the polls. My

Sure yea do.. That's why you think voting for Trump is smart.. You are just another in a long list of people who believe bullshit and likes shiny things. Then when it turns out horribly as it obviously would you claim you dindu nuttins..


If you were aginst establishment and all that yada, yada, bs line as well as did your "research" you would be supporting Rand Paul as he's the closest thing to anti establishment there is on the Republican ticket.

[Photo-Greg]

Fuck the Establishment!

[Rob]

Originally Posted by crockett

Sure yea do.. That's why you think voting for Trump is smart.. You are just another in a long list of people who believe bullshit and likes shiny things. Then when it turns out horribly as it obviously would you claim you dindu nuttins..

Typical liberal spin tactics at play by a typical liberal. I never said I thought a vote for Trump was smart, I said it's an indication that people are starting to see through the bullshit politically corrupt and morally bankrupt system we currently have in place. Just because you support a lying cunt, doesn't mean everyone on the other side supports Trump. Maybe that's something you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night, but doesn't make it a fact.

If you were aginst establishment and all that yada, yada, bs line as well as did your "research" you would be supporting Rand Paul as he's the closest thing to anti establishment there is on the Republican ticket.

If you would have followed along, that is exactly who I supported even before the primaries started. I have posted several times my support for Rand, and defended him when dipshit libs, much like yourself, tried to launch smear campaigns and spun headlines against him. Rand was the closest thing we had to a Libertarian in the running, and I'm all for less government in our lives.

If it boils down to Trump vs. Hillary, then I'll be forced to vote for Trump. I can't see myself voting for an elitist lying shit bag no good cunt who is currently under a federal investigation. You see, it's not so much that I like Trump, it's just that I seriously dislike, and don't trust Hillary.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rob

Typical liberal spin tactics at play by a typical liberal. I never said I thought a vote for Trump was smart, I said it's an indication that people are starting to see through the bullshit politically corrupt and morally bankrupt system we currently have in place. Just because you support a lying cunt, doesn't mean everyone on the other side supports Trump. Maybe that's something you have to tell yourself so you can sleep at night, but doesn't make it a fact.




If you would have followed along, that is exactly who I supported even before the primaries started. I have posted several times my support for Rand, and defended him when dipshit libs, much like yourself, tried to launch smear campaigns and spun headlines against him. Rand was the closest thing we had to a Libertarian in the running, and I'm all for less government in our lives.

If it boils down to Trump vs. Hillary, then I'll be forced to vote for Trump. I can't see myself voting for an elitist lying shit bag no good cunt who is currently under a federal investigation. You see, it's not so much that I like Trump, it's just that I seriously dislike, and don't trust Hillary.

No its a sign that people are short sighted and are willing to trade one problem for another despite the first problem not being solved.

It's a vote of idiocracy by uninformed morons, who should be required to pass a history test on this nation before being allowed to vote.

You think you are so smart because you just now "finally" see though the BS, yet can't see the BS Trump spews..

If you cared about the constitution and were anti establishment as you claim,instead of just jumping on the bandwagon of the latest fad from the right, you would support Rand Paul as he's shown with actions he will walk that line.

Instead you are googly eyed by the TV celebrity who says dumb shit and you think it makes you a Mavrick..

[Rob]

Originally Posted by crockett

No its a sign that people are short sighted and are willing to trade one problem for another despite the first problem not being solved.

Wrong. It's quite the opposite. It's a sign that people are opening their eyes and seeing the rampant corruption in DC. If anything, this is their warning shot that shit needs to change. This is a short term solution to a long lasting problem. Yet you call it short sighted because you support the person across the aisle.

It's a vote of idiocracy by uninformed morons.

You shouldn't be so hard on Hillary supporters.

You think you are so smart because you just now "finally" see though the BS, yet can't see the BS Trump spews..

Jesus Homer Christ, stop spinning what I say to fit your narrative. If the GOP nominates Trump, and the Dems nominate Hillary...um...pray tell, what is option C? I said I would be forced to vote for Trump, not that I'm "so smart" and can finally see through the BS. I've been pretty vocal on this forum about my core values and beliefs, and Trump isn't my guy. Keep on spinning if that makes you happy. But trying to lump me into the group of Trump supporters is not going to work.

P.S. Hillary is a lying, treasonous cunt.

[crockett]

No one is forced to vote. If you vote for a candidate you don't like, in order to block another candidate...then YOU are the problem, because you are doing exactly what the establishment you claim to hate wants..

[Vendzilla]

People are pissed about the lying, in a recent speech by Obama, he said that under his administration 14 million jobs were created. Well that true is you don't include his first year in office, it you do, then it's around 9 million, which doesn't keep up with the population growth!

People on this forum have commented on how he has deported more illegal aliens, well, Obama changed how the numbers were counted to include those turned away within 100 miles of the border, a number that wasn't counted prior to his administration.

Obama talks about working with the other side, people on this forum like that butt head Crickett say that the republicans are blocking everything. Well if Obama were serious about reaching out to the other side, why did he skip Scalia's and Nancy Reagan's funeral? The reason government is broke is because of partisan politics and idiots that believe them.
In steps Trump, add's flame to the fire and rises to the top, he actually has a plan that would increase job growth in this country, no one else has anything that sounds like it would work!
Cruz's idea for job growth is a flat tax
Rubio's idea for job growth is overhauling the tax code
Trump wants to level the field on trade with other countries, that would bring more manufacturers to the US, he also wants to bring more money to the US by lowering the huge corporate tax level which is one of the highest in the world.

[Barry-xlovecam]

If you see something that looks like a star
And it's shooting up out of the ground
And your head is spinning from a loud guitar
And you just can't escape from the sound
Don't worry too much; it'll happen to you
We were children once, playing with toys
And the thing that you're hearing is only the sound of
The low spark of high-heeled boys
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
But today you just read that the man was shot dead
By a gun that didn't make any noise
But it wasn't the bullet that laid him to rest
Was the low spark of high-heeled boys



Dream on, we did in the day.

[ITraffic]

only in america could a vote for a billionaire be a vote against the establishment and support for massive oil companies could be seen as against the corporate oligarchy.

the propaganda and brainwashing system they have there is truly incredible. make russia and china look like amateur hour in comparison.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

only in america could a vote for a billionaire be a vote against the establishment and support for massive oil companies could be seen as against the corporate oligarchy.

the propaganda and brainwashing system they have there is truly incredible. make russia and china look like amateur hour in comparison.

The same idiots who support Trump are the same ones who jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon thinking it was something diffrent.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

only in america could a vote for a billionaire be a vote against the establishment and support for massive oil companies could be seen as against the corporate oligarchy.

the propaganda and brainwashing system they have there is truly incredible. make russia and china look like amateur hour in comparison.

You still don't get it.

[NETbilling]

Regardless of who you vote for, most of their promises will not be held up, and not necessarily for their lack of trying either. It's a real shame that there are just not any great candidates on the ballot so we are left with this.... crazed politicians that go through an incredibly grueling campaigning and scrutinizing process that would make anyone that is truly worth the job not even consider becoming president.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that?

I'm still voting trump....

[C H R I S]

It's funny to watch the implosion of the republican party.

Not that the Dems are much better, but at least its not a party based on obstructionism with no solutions, only roadblocks.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

It's funny to watch the implosion of the republican party.

Not that the Dems are much better, but at least its not a party based on obstructionism with no solutions, only roadblocks.

Yea know, I used to say the Dems weren't much better but that's just a cop out into accepting how bad the Republicans have become.

Really, the Democrats while not outstanding, truly are MUCH better than the Republicans.

[dyna mo]

what makes it even nuttier is how the GOP in general, and the leaders of it, steadfastly cling to their denial of the implosion. i don't think it means the end of the GOP, but certainly a massive fracture combined with an identity crisis is an implosion. i wonder what kind of party will emerge on the other side and when. they are not budging from their agenda.

[dyna mo]

it's multiple fractures really. they have a tea party coocoo in second place along with an interloper fake republican leading the race.

ahahahahahah.

[mineistaken]

#trumptrain

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

It's funny to watch the implosion of the republican party.

Not that the Dems are much better, but at least its not a party based on obstructionism with no solutions, only roadblocks.

You should get your news from a different supply

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

The same idiots who support Trump are the same ones who jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon thinking it was something diffrent.

wrong again. The tea party were exactly as politicians, and were promoted by some mainstream media outlets - that should tell you enough who controlled them. Puppets.

Trump is the opposite. And you call Trump supporters idiots, i support him so i am an idiot in your mind. The real idiots are the ones who will vote on politicians like scarecrow Hillary who is neck deep in the Washingting cess pool, fucking citizens since the 90's. A vote on her is the most stupid thing you can do in this election.

[C H R I S]

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BAc-KIv9-M

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what makes it even nuttier is how the GOP in general, and the leaders of it, steadfastly cling to their denial of the implosion. i don't think it means the end of the GOP, but certainly a massive fracture combined with an identity crisis is an implosion. i wonder what kind of party will emerge on the other side and when. they are not budging from their agenda.

Honestly, on the subject of Trump.. He really had a good opportunity to do it right and actually be a solid choice for the office as well as help "fix" the issues of the Republican party..

Instead he choose to create a bigger divide among the people of this country and cater to the far off extremes. The guy was in the most unique position of anyone running to bridge the gap between both parties and walk the middle. Instead he choose to alienate and divide. For this reason alone he is the most dangerous candidate running in terms of doing further harm to this country. George Bush Jr would likely do less harm with a 3rd term than Trump would do in a single term.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crockett

Honestly, on the subject of Trump.. He really had a good opportunity to do it right and actually be a solid choice for the office as well as help "fix" the issues of the Republican party..

Instead he choose to create a bigger divide among the people of this country and cater to the far off extremes. The guy was in the most unique position of anyone running to bridge the gap between both parties and walk the middle. Instead he choose to alienate and divide. For this reason alone he is the most dangerous candidate running in terms of doing further harm to this country. George Bush Jr would likely do less harm with a 3rd term than Trump would do in a single term.

You really don't have a clue. Parties don't mean shit. If he would "bridge the gap" he would be like the rest, making compromises just to get the most votes. Once you make compromises not only with your own party, but also with the other party.. thats the complete opposite of how Trump has become popular! I really don't understand how you come up with this.

People are fed up with the fake party politics, more and more people are awake that it doesn't mean shit, and Trump calls it like it is. And you say he should 'bridge the gap', which would be an instant death sentence to his campaign. You should become his advisor that way you know he will never win any election anymore.

[PAR]

Originally Posted by Rob

How do you bribe a billionaire with trashy lobbyist money, too.
You can't.

We can start with a 150 Million superpac waiting for him.
We can go on an fact that the funds he is putting in to his campaign are done so via a repayable loan. And how is this loan going to get paid back?
We can look at the things Trump has said about giving money to both sides in the past in an attempt to buy influence. What better position that than of POTUS to gain political influence.

Are the American people to really believe that Trump can step away for his personal interest in his $10 billion brand/companies/investments/etc..
At the end of the day Trump himself is the brand. Can he or anyone in is position ever be so removed as to not have some level of personal self interest affect his decision making?

Hell even the guy he keep saying that he would get to negotiate trade with China is the CEO of the hedge fund Trumps has a bunch of cash in. (same guy that created the 150 million super pac)

*there is much more but I'll stop here...

Vote for him don't vote
for him I don't care much...,
Just don't tell me not to think he is not in it for the money.
I'm just simply not that blind.

You are correct Trump is not like the others, his level of financial self interest is larger than all of them combined.

You earlier said you are an informed guy, so I'm not going to back up anything I just sad because as an informed guy you already know this or can simply google..

[pimpmaster9000]

why do you guys even vote?

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

why do you guys even vote?