Tech Website owners : Should you avoid Frameworks? - GoFuckYourself.com

blackmonsters · 09-15-2019, 10:17 AM

Not all of them; but many of them.

What I noticed :

1. Too many new "developers" with limited skills can set your website up but then can't do anything to improve it.

2. Then you have to find another developer that understands that particular Framework.

3. The Framework will "go out of style" and then you can't find any developer to work with it.

4. Seems like using certain Frameworks is just a way for a developer to keep you stuck using him.

tobedeleted · 09-15-2019, 04:34 PM

Agreed.. I have tons of entire websites build using PHP/MySQL (primarily) and none of them are based off of a framework.

Of course new devs will think this is not a good idea, but IMO that's because they have been trained to code on Zend/CodeIgniter or Django (for Python). And it can be a problem if your entire site is based on that as it places you in a box.

I played around with developing some plugins for WP which turned out to be a major pain because WP is constantly having to upgrade and those changes can often affect how your plugin works.

I think as long as you have a good structure, scalability, etc. it will be easier to adapt to new changes.

blackmonsters · 09-16-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sincats

Agreed.. I have tons of entire websites build using PHP/MySQL (primarily) and none of them are based off of a framework.

Of course new devs will think this is not a good idea, but IMO that's because they have been trained to code on Zend/CodeIgniter or Django (for Python). And it can be a problem if your entire site is based on that as it places you in a box.

I played around with developing some plugins for WP which turned out to be a major pain because WP is constantly having to upgrade and those changes can often affect how your plugin works.

I think as long as you have a good structure, scalability, etc. it will be easier to adapt to new changes.

I've been "beating around the bush".

I said all that just because Laravel sucks.

But more technical :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI1wrc0s4p0

AmateurFlix · 09-16-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sincats

Agreed.. I have tons of entire websites build using PHP/MySQL (primarily) and none of them are based off of a framework.

ditto. never seen a need for any of them in this business. programming some sort of CMS in php is pretty easy and avoids bloatware & potential vulnerabilities.

iceboi · 09-17-2019, 07:40 PM

If you value your time, then a framework is a must imo...if you intend to build a rather complex system. Frameworks handles most security exploits that you would have to handle yourself and has features that you'd have to code yourself which is a huge waste of time.

I tend to stick with flask for Python and martini for go. Frameworks like Django are way too bloated for me, light frameworks are the way to go.

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tobedeleted Pay Per Minute Products Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 299	Agreed.. I have tons of entire websites build using PHP/MySQL (primarily) and none of them are based off of a framework. Of course new devs will think this is not a good idea, but IMO that's because they have been trained to code on Zend/CodeIgniter or Django (for Python). And it can be a problem if your entire site is based on that as it places you in a box. I played around with developing some plugins for WP which turned out to be a major pain because WP is constantly having to upgrade and those changes can often affect how your plugin works. I think as long as you have a good structure, scalability, etc. it will be easier to adapt to new changes.