GOP Official: Voters don't pick nominee, we do

[TCLGirls]

If you thought the GOP is going to let Trump be the nominee, you got another thing comin'...

"Political parties, not voters, choose their presidential nominees, a Republican convention rules member told CNBC, a day after GOP front-runner Donald Trump rolled up more big primary victories.

"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's " Squawk Box " on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held."

[Rochard]

You should post the full article: We choose the nominee, not the voters: Senior GOP official

I find this interesting:

Haugland is one of 112 Republican delegates who are not required to cast their support for any one candidate because their states and territories don't hold primaries or caucuses.

Even with Trump's huge projected delegate haul in four state primaries Tuesday, the odds are increasing the billionaire businessman may not ultimately get the 1,237 delegates needed to claim the GOP nomination before the convention.

This could lead to a brokered convention, in which unbound delegates, like Haugland, could play a significant swing role on the first ballot to choose a nominee.

Most delegates bound by their state's primary or caucus results are only committed on the first ballot. If subsequent ballots are needed, virtually all of the delegates can vote any way they want, said Gary Emineth, another unbound delegate from North Dakota.

"It could introduce Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, or it could be the other candidates that have already been in the race and are now out of the race [such as] Mike Huckabee [or] Rick Santorum. All those people could eventually become candidates on the floor," Emineth said.

So if Trump failes to get 1237 delegates it would lead to an brokered convention which means unbound delegates can pick whomever they want.

Damn.

[ITraffic]

At this point, Trump would need to win about 53% of remaining GOP delegates to win 1,237.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

At this point, Trump would need to win about 53% of remaining GOP delegates to win 1,237.

Even if Trump reaches that number, it is not a guarantee that he will be the GOP nominee. Because the GOP rules committee meets in June to establish convention rules. Who's to say they won't just change the number?

[ITraffic]

#666 #ANTICHRIST

[2MuchMark]

Ok so question about this....

Even if Trump gets the votes required, he still might not get the nomination. He must know this.

Why then would he say something like "I think you'd have riots" as reported here? Donald Trump on brokered convention: 'I think you'd have riots' - CNNPolitics.com

I don't understand what he is doing here...

[ITraffic]

maybe he can hire moveon.org to riot for him if the gop steals the nomination ....

[Paul Markham]

I keep telling you, voters no long decide politics.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by **********

Ok so question about this....

Even if Trump gets the votes required, he still might not get the nomination. He must know this.

Why then would he say something like "I think you'd have riots" as reported here? Donald Trump on brokered convention: 'I think you'd have riots' - CNNPolitics.com

I don't understand what he is doing here...

Trump is using a twist of the ''bully pulpit (to push his opponent from a position of authority, in this case that of the heir apparent)'' to threaten the GOP. That is what bullies do -- threaten until they get their way.

[Mr Pheer]

The Republican Party will be committing political suicide if they do not side with the voters on the candidacy. Those assholes need to remember it's the same voters that put THEM into office as well, and they can be removed.

[dyna mo]

You conveniently left out the most important part, both parties pick their candidates.

[poncabare]

Oligarchy always protects itself first

[kane]

Originally Posted by **********

Ok so question about this....

Even if Trump gets the votes required, he still might not get the nomination. He must know this.

Why then would he say something like "I think you'd have riots" as reported here? Donald Trump on brokered convention: 'I think you'd have riots' - CNNPolitics.com

I don't understand what he is doing here...

He has also said that he might consider rescinding on promise not to run as an independent. Basically, he is tell the GOP if he gets enough delegates to win the nomination if they party tries to do something to screw him out of it his supporters will riot (and likely not support whoever the GOP picks as a candidate) and Trump may run as an independent which would all but guarantee Clinton the win.

[TheSquealer]

So the news is "some guy stated a fact".

good stuff. Threadworthy for sure.

If only you'd think to use some idiotic font color like purple to get even more attention.

[Rob]

If the GOP did that, it would be akin to party suicide. According to exit polls, the second reason people are voting for Trump is because they're tired of the "establishment". This would be the "establishment" spitting directly in their faces, while telling them that their vote doesn't mean shit. It would rip the GOP apart, and quite possibly take the Dems with them. People distrust politicians as a whole, not just their party affiliations.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Rob

If the GOP did that, it would be akin to party suicide. According to exit polls, the second reason people are voting for Trump is because they're tired of the "establishment". This would be the "establishment" spitting directly in their faces, while telling them that their vote doesn't mean shit. It would rip the GOP apart, and quite possibly take the Dems with them. People distrust politicians as a whole, not just their party affiliations.

Except the GOP establishment has been spitting in the faces of the GOp base for DECADES. And the GOP base happily eats it up:

"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The white middle class may like the idea of Trump as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Trump the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your ******ned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul."

National Review Doubles Down: 'Important to Say' White Working Class Communities 'Deserve to Die' - Breitbart

[kane]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Except the GOP establishment has been spitting in the faces of the GOp base for DECADES. And the GOP base happily eats it up:

"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn?t. The white middle class may like the idea of Trump as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Trump the destroyer and whisper darkly about ?globalists? and ? odious, stupid term ? ?the Establishment,? but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy ? which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog ? you will come to an awful realization. It wasn?t Beijing. It wasn?t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn?t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn?t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn?t some awful disaster. There wasn?t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence ? and the incomprehensible malice ? of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain?t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your ******ned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump?s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn?t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul."

National Review Doubles Down: 'Important to Say' White Working Class Communities 'Deserve to Die' - Breitbart

I have said for a long time that the brilliance of the GOP is that they can repackage the same bullshit year and year and get people to vote for it. Of course the dems do this as well. What they haven't done is spit in the face of the voters when it comes to elections. Sure, they stack the deck with candidates they approve of (for the most part) so it doesn't really matter who wins, but the person that wins the election gets the job. Here the GOP is saying, "Even if you vote for this person to win, we might take that away from you and put in whoever we want." That would be very bad for the GOP.

I think they are smart enough to know if Trump gets enough delegates to win the nomination they have to let him have it and they just have to hope if he beats Hillary that he will be a decent president. If nobody gets the magic number of delegates it will still be hard for the party to justify selecting anyone that isn't 1st or 2nd in the delegate count.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

The Republican Party will be committing political suicide if they do not side with the voters on the candidacy. Those assholes need to remember it's the same voters that put THEM into office as well, and they can be removed.

The Republican Party has been committing political suicide, since the Bush era. The only thing that keeps them going is the Religious Vote. Take out the States they win on that and then what?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Republican Party has been committing political suicide, since the Bush era. The only thing that keeps them going is the Religious Vote. Take out the States they win on that and then what?

We might be about to find out. If it is Trump VS Hillary Trump doesn't have a strong connection to the evangelicals. They aren't going to vote for Hillary (and some will vote Trump just to vote against her), but they may just not vote. Take into consideration Obama won Virginia and North Carolina in 2008, both states Hillary could carry and she could put Arkansas in play not to mention Georgia was pretty close in the last election. If Hillary can take just a few of those states it could be a landslide victory for her.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

#666 #ANTICHRIST

is someone going around adding '666'? lol

[Paul Markham]

Over the last 50 years, there has been a widening between rich and poor. This has also run through the middle classes. But it's not a 50/50split, it's more 80/20.

There are a lot more living on under $40,000 than on over. I chose the figures as an example. More relying on Government handouts, low wages, seeing worse conditions because of cuts.

That's not a senario that favours a party who represent the reasons for the problems.

[bronco67]

I was watching Gretchen Carlson interview Orrin Hatch on Faux News yesterday. She held him to the fact that he said Merrick Garland would be an excellent Supreme Court Judge back in 2010 and has done nothing but sing his praises for 20 years. When she asked him what changed, he gave her a line of complete BULLSHIT.

Even she wasn't buying it...