Chicago = Detroit 2.0 Chicago's rising gun violence and racial tensions are driving out the wealthy

[Horatio Caine]

Chicago gun violence, racial tensions drive out rich - Business Insider

Booga wooga

Police statistics clearly show this. From January to the end of March, there were 677 shootings, a staggering 88.5% increase from the 359 over the same period in 2015. Levels of violent crime are also up, and the first quarter of this year saw 141 murders across the city ? more than Los Angeles and New York put together ? and a 72% rise compared with 2015.

In the first three months of 2015, Chicago's police officers stopped and searched 157,346 people for suspicious behavior. This year, that number dropped to 20,908 ? down 86%. This is attributed to a drop in morale and a reluctance to stop and search for fear of becoming the next YouTube video that goes viral.

Also, the passing of law influenced by the American Civil Liberties Union to combat racial profiling now requires the police to fill out up to 60 pages of forms for each stop.

Lurigio said there was a "strong association" that less police had "created a vacuum of power which gang members are filling."

An analysis by New World Wealth found that there was an outflow of 3,000 millionaires from the city in 2015 driven out by "rising racial tensions(and) rising crime levels,"

[just a punk]

Thanks for a daily copy-paste "news"!

[Rochard]

Time to move kiddos.

If that shit happened in my hometown, I would quickly leave. My town is rather safe, one of the fourth of fifth safest in the state. That's why I live here.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Thanks for a daily copy-paste "news"!

What is it to you shitstain?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

What is it to you shitstain?

To me? No. it's to you, clown. You've got a medal today ;)

[mineistaken]

PC and libby parasites go against logic. Racial profiling MUST be in place for search and frisk. It is simple logic.
If every black is 5 (or whatever) times more likely to be a criminal why would you choose to frisk white instead?
I mean imagine there goes one black and one white, both look the same in terms of behavior and clothing. It would be PLAINLY STUPID to purposely frisk the one who is less likely to be an offender.
Another example of how PC plague went overboard and against simple logic.

[pimpmaster9000]

Build a wall around chicago! Trump knows how hes the best at building walls. He will build a really great wall. He also knows a lot of words, he knows all the best words. He also has a big dick. The best dick.

[L-Pink]

Isn't there a east euro-trash forum for Russians and serbs?

[Sarn]

>Isn't there a east euro-trash forum for Russians and serbs?
something you have against it?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Isn't there a east euro-trash forum for Russians and serbs?

Its like 6 am in shitville. Must be lonely.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

>Isn't there a east euro-trash forum for Russians and serbs?
something you have against it?

His mom has cheated on his dad with east with gypsy camps of euro-trash from Russia and Serbia.

[ErectMedia]

If I was gonna move it would be due to traffic not crime as never had an issue and been here my whole life. Million places safer than a big city but I'm a City guy and get bored with farmland. I drive down to Tampa/Bradenton/Sarasota area every year and it's cool for a minute, less traffic, sun, pussy etc... but it's no Chicago. Food/Entertainment/City Skyline would probably be the 3 hardest things for me to leave.

[DBS.US]

[lagwagon]

I was just talking about how dope Chicago is today. But damn it is scary!! Those stats, yikes...

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

His mom has cheated on his dad with east with gypsy camps of euro-trash from Russia and Serbia.

Very unlikely scenario. One would have to be so desperate

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Very unlikely scenario. One would have to be so desperate

you are right, gypsies are not so desperate only your dad was...ok build a wall around your mom too, get trump on it, he can hire some mexicans to do it...

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

you are right, gypsies are not so desperate only your dad was...ok build a wall around your mom too, get trump on it, he can hire some mexicans to do it...

Speaking of gypsies, how's your mom been doing lately? I hear you having some unemployment problems there.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

His mom has cheated on his dad with east with gypsy camps of euro-trash from Russia and Serbia.

need wall

[Sarn]

2 wall with big toothy crocodiles between their

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Speaking of gypsies, how's your mom been doing lately? I hear you having some unemployment problems there.

speaking of people who got their asses handed back to them by tiny penis asian farmers: hows your dad

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

speaking of people who got their asses handed back to them by tiny penis asian farmers: hows your dad

He never served my little eastern european shitstain.
And if you ever want to talk about surrendering and why you mom has red hair ask your pappa Bojan how it went for him in WW2. He made French look like war heroes
French - took 45 days to surrender
Stinking Yugos - took 8 days to surrender.

[Horatio Caine]

List of Serbian contributions to the world:

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

He never served my little eastern european shitstain.

yes he was too fat and weird even for war lucas cast him as jabba the hut in star wars but he got replaced by a less repulsive version

[Joe Obenberger]

I'm writing from the heart of Chicago's Financial District, from my office at 115 South LaSalle Street, a short one-block walk to the Federal Reserve Bank and the Board of Trade. I come here every day to work and at night, I walk a block-long alley to get back to my car. I've been working in the Loop every day for decades.

Show me any cop who's ever filled out any 60-page contact report. It's never happened. This is propaganda coming from the Benevelont Order of Patrolmen, the police union, who are resisting any changes in their usual ways of doing business.

Those usual ways recently have had a bright light shined on them, and as with roaches and other insects, the cops are scurrying away into the shadows and trying desperately to get the light disabled.

For as long as there's been a Chicago Police Department, it's been typical for badge-heavy cops to ignore every standard of decency, law, and constitutional rights, to do what they think their job is, in just the way they want to do it. One small microcosm is the common sight of police cars sliding through stop signs without flashers or sirens or any reduction in speed, announcing to all that they don't think that the laws that apply to everyone else apply to them. They just don't stop. And that's how they've treated the people they encounter, especially minorities and especially in the South Side and West Side where the Blacks predominate. In Summer, they park helicopters with xenon searchlights over one or both, surveiling people going about what's normal. I've seen sweeps where every male within three blocks of a rape has been rousted, taken to the police station there to remain for several hours, until the victim comes in to make an identification. In fact, I've seen a concealed carry license denied twenty years later for such a male who was released without charges after that happened just because the police had made a record that he was taken in for aggravated criminal sexual assault.

After their alarming pattern of murdering people has been exposed with the release of video evidence, along with their reaction by disabling the microphones and sometimes the cameras, the police are hot under the collar. They are sulking. They are claiming that if they can't do things their way, they really won't do the job very much at all. It's all pressure to go back to business as usual, the law be damned, rights be damned.

Don't believe so uncritically all that you see published. Some of it is propaganda by those with an axe to grind.

Were I a Black man in Chicago, I'd be agitating for the creation of a permanent, standing, special Grand Jury For Public Corruption Matters, located on the first floor of the courthouse, open every day of the week, in which citizens with evidence of police crimes could come forward, give evidence, have the matter investigated, in the presence of Grand Jurors who had the power to formally indict any cop or other public official for crime. That would drive out the criminals who masquerade as good guys by wearing a badge. Their departure to prison would make room for new cops with zeal and a dedication to serving the public rather than abusing it. I'd also be agitating for mandatory Army ROTC in the junior and senior high schools to give students a healthy respect for weapons and some marksmanship training. In that way the fascination with guns can be diverted to a healthier direction and the number of innocents slaughtered by gang bangers with guns but no gun skills can be decreased - it's impossible to actually get the guns off the street, and at least some innocent lives can be saved. Finally, the City has to change its course of discouraging honest citizens from concealed carry and gun ownership. Nothing deters gun crime more than the prospect that your intended victim just might kill you dead.

-JD

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Its like 6 am in shitville. Must be lonely.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

List of Serbian contributions to the world:

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Try again little shitstain.
Born in Croatia, educated in Austria, worked in France. Farther educated in the US.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Try again little shitstain.
Born in Croatia, educated in Austria, worked in France. Farther educated in the US.

father serbian orthodox priest, mother serbian...so yeah hes austrian

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

father serbian orthodox priest, mother serbian...so yeah hes austrian

Dumb fuck, I never said he wasn't Serbian I said Serbian contributions as in country.

This guy is Serbian too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich

As in:

List of Nobel laureates by country

Israel[edit]
See also: List of Jewish Nobel laureates
Arieh Warshel, Chemistry, 2013
Michael Levitt, born in South Africa, Chemistry, 2013
Dan Shechtman, Chemistry, 2011
Ada E. Yonath, Chemistry, 2009
Robert Aumann, born in Germany, Economics, 2005
Aaron Ciechanover, Chemistry, 2004
Avram Hershko, born in Hungary, Chemistry, 2004
Daniel Kahneman, Economics, 2002
Yitzhak Rabin, Peace, 1994
Shimon Peres, born in then Poland, now Belarus, Peace, 1994
Menachem Begin, born in then Russia, now Belarus, Peace, 1978
Shmuel Yosef Agnon, born in then Austria-Hungary, now Ukraine, Literature, 1966

Czech Republic[edit]
Jaroslav Seifert, Literature, 1984
Jaroslav Heyrovský, Chemistry, 1959
Carl Ferdinand Cori*, born in Prague, Bohemia, then Austria-Hungary, now Czech Republic, Physiology or Medicine, 1947
Gerty Cori*, born in Prague, Bohemia, then Austria-Hungary, now Czech Republic, Physiology or Medicine, 1947
Bertha von Suttner*, born in Prague, Bohemia, then Austria-Hungary, now Czech Republic, Peace, 1905

East Timor[edit] <----
Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Peace, 1996
José Ramos-Horta, Peace, 1996

Faroe Islands[edit] <---------
Niels Ryberg Finsen*, Physiology or Medicine, 1903

Serbia[edit]
Ivo Andrić*, born in then Austria-Hungary, now Bosnia and Herzegovina, Literature, 1961

[Horatio Caine]

World University Rankings 2015-2016

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...cols/rank_only

Lonely school out of Lower Shitsville - University of Belgrade - #601-800

https://www.timeshighereducation.com...dataset=133819

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

World University Rankings 2015-2016

michio kaku, professor of theoretical physics in NY:

"The USA has the worst education system known to science, US graduates compete regularly at 3rd world levels"



penis size:

USA comes in 96th out of 115 countries serbia comes in 57th

tiny penis dumb fuck american LOL

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

michio kaku, professor of theoretical physics in NY:

"The USA has the worst education system known to science, US graduates compete regularly at 3rd world levels"

penis size:

USA comes in 96th out of 115 countries serbia comes in 57th
tiny penis dumb fuck american LOL

Yet Michio kaku is - Japanese-American futurist, theoretical physicist and popularizer of science. Kaku is a Professor of Theoretical Physics at the City College of New York

Who prefferes to have small penis yet live in the best country to live and do his research. Yes, you guessed it - the US of A. Not Serbia, not Albania. US of A !!! Fuck ye!

Keep on checking those German penises boy! Serbian family tradition !

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Chicago gun violence, racial tensions drive out rich - Business Insider

Booga wooga

here I fixed it for you..,..

Police statistics clearly show this. From January to the end of March, there were 677 black on black gun murders, a staggering 88.5% increase from the 359 over the same period in 2015. Levels of black violent crime are also up, and the first quarter of this year saw 141 black on black murders across the city — more than Los Angeles and New York put together — and a 72% rise compared with 2015. this is all because black lives matter!!!!

[_Richard_]

you sure those are the reasons?

aren't they running illegal prisons etc?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2404256

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you sure those are the reasons?

aren't they running illegal prisons etc?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2404256

Great source of information. Lets see what else is there:

Cruz talks about watching porn with Sandra Day O?Connor as young daughters sit just feet away

'I LOOK LIKE A MONSTER': Florida woman allergic to her own sweat and tears is afraid to leave her home, gained 100 pounds

Sprint removes ad calling T-Mobile customers 'ghetto'


Can you get any dumber?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

here I fixed it for you..,..

Police statistics clearly show this. From January to the end of March, there were 677 black on black gun murders, a staggering 88.5% increase from the 359 over the same period in 2015. Levels of black violent crime are also up, and the first quarter of this year saw 141 black on black murders across the city ? more than Los Angeles and New York put together ? and a 72% rise compared with 2015. this is all because black lives matter!!!!

Diz rasis

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Great source of information. Lets see what else is there:

Cruz talks about watching porn with Sandra Day O?Connor as young daughters sit just feet away

'I LOOK LIKE A MONSTER': Florida woman allergic to her own sweat and tears is afraid to leave her home, gained 100 pounds

Sprint removes ad calling T-Mobile customers 'ghetto'


Can you get any dumber?

Chicago's Homan Square police complex under fire - CNN.com

'I was struck with multiple blows': inside the secret violence of Homan Square | US news | The Guardian

let me know if you need any further google searches done for you

it's a tricky thing, but we can get through it.. together.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

I'm writing from the heart of Chicago's Financial District, from my office at 115 South LaSalle Street, a short one-block walk to the Federal Reserve Bank and the Board of Trade. I come here every day to work and at night, I walk a block-long alley to get back to my car. I've been working in the Loop every day for decades.

Show me any cop who's ever filled out any 60-page contact report. It's never happened. This is propaganda coming from the Benevelont Order of Patrolmen, the police union, who are resisting any changes in their usual ways of doing business.

Those usual ways recently have had a bright light shined on them, and as with roaches and other insects, the cops are scurrying away into the shadows and trying desperately to get the light disabled.

For as long as there's been a Chicago Police Department, it's been typical for badge-heavy cops to ignore every standard of decency, law, and constitutional rights, to do what they think their job is, in just the way they want to do it. One small microcosm is the common sight of police cars sliding through stop signs without flashers or sirens or any reduction in speed, announcing to all that they don't think that the laws that apply to everyone else apply to them. They just don't stop. And that's how they've treated the people they encounter, especially minorities and especially in the South Side and West Side where the Blacks predominate. In Summer, they park helicopters with xenon searchlights over one or both, surveiling people going about what's normal. I've seen sweeps where every male within three blocks of a rape has been rousted, taken to the police station there to remain for several hours, until the victim comes in to make an identification. In fact, I've seen a concealed carry license denied twenty years later for such a male who was released without charges after that happened just because the police had made a record that he was taken in for aggravated criminal sexual assault.

After their alarming pattern of murdering people has been exposed with the release of video evidence, along with their reaction by disabling the microphones and sometimes the cameras, the police are hot under the collar. They are sulking. They are claiming that if they can't do things their way, they really won't do the job very much at all. It's all pressure to go back to business as usual, the law be damned, rights be damned.

Don't believe so uncritically all that you see published. Some of it is propaganda by those with an axe to grind.

Were I a Black man in Chicago, I'd be agitating for the creation of a permanent, standing, special Grand Jury For Public Corruption Matters, located on the first floor of the courthouse, open every day of the week, in which citizens with evidence of police crimes could come forward, give evidence, have the matter investigated, in the presence of Grand Jurors who had the power to formally indict any cop or other public official for crime. That would drive out the criminals who masquerade as good guys by wearing a badge. Their departure to prison would make room for new cops with zeal and a dedication to serving the public rather than abusing it. I'd also be agitating for mandatory Army ROTC in the junior and senior high schools to give students a healthy respect for weapons and some marksmanship training. In that way the fascination with guns can be diverted to a healthier direction and the number of innocents slaughtered by gang bangers with guns but no gun skills can be decreased - it's impossible to actually get the guns off the street, and at least some innocent lives can be saved. Finally, the City has to change its course of discouraging honest citizens from concealed carry and gun ownership. Nothing deters gun crime more than the prospect that your intended victim just might kill you dead.

-JD

Thank you Joe, for bringing reason, facts, and logic to the discussion, as is your wont.










.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

I'm writing from the heart of Chicago's Financial District, from my office at 115 South LaSalle Street, a short one-block walk to the Federal Reserve Bank and the Board of Trade. I come here every day to work and at night, I walk a block-long alley to get back to my car. I've been working in the Loop every day for decades.

Show me any cop who's ever filled out any 60-page contact report. It's never happened. This is propaganda coming from the Benevelont Order of Patrolmen, the police union, who are resisting any changes in their usual ways of doing business.

Those usual ways recently have had a bright light shined on them, and as with roaches and other insects, the cops are scurrying away into the shadows and trying desperately to get the light disabled.

For as long as there's been a Chicago Police Department, it's been typical for badge-heavy cops to ignore every standard of decency, law, and constitutional rights, to do what they think their job is, in just the way they want to do it. One small microcosm is the common sight of police cars sliding through stop signs without flashers or sirens or any reduction in speed, announcing to all that they don't think that the laws that apply to everyone else apply to them. They just don't stop. And that's how they've treated the people they encounter, especially minorities and especially in the South Side and West Side where the Blacks predominate. In Summer, they park helicopters with xenon searchlights over one or both, surveiling people going about what's normal. I've seen sweeps where every male within three blocks of a rape has been rousted, taken to the police station there to remain for several hours, until the victim comes in to make an identification. In fact, I've seen a concealed carry license denied twenty years later for such a male who was released without charges after that happened just because the police had made a record that he was taken in for aggravated criminal sexual assault.

After their alarming pattern of murdering people has been exposed with the release of video evidence, along with their reaction by disabling the microphones and sometimes the cameras, the police are hot under the collar. They are sulking. They are claiming that if they can't do things their way, they really won't do the job very much at all. It's all pressure to go back to business as usual, the law be damned, rights be damned.

Don't believe so uncritically all that you see published. Some of it is propaganda by those with an axe to grind.

Were I a Black man in Chicago, I'd be agitating for the creation of a permanent, standing, special Grand Jury For Public Corruption Matters, located on the first floor of the courthouse, open every day of the week, in which citizens with evidence of police crimes could come forward, give evidence, have the matter investigated, in the presence of Grand Jurors who had the power to formally indict any cop or other public official for crime. That would drive out the criminals who masquerade as good guys by wearing a badge. Their departure to prison would make room for new cops with zeal and a dedication to serving the public rather than abusing it. I'd also be agitating for mandatory Army ROTC in the junior and senior high schools to give students a healthy respect for weapons and some marksmanship training. In that way the fascination with guns can be diverted to a healthier direction and the number of innocents slaughtered by gang bangers with guns but no gun skills can be decreased - it's impossible to actually get the guns off the street, and at least some innocent lives can be saved. Finally, the City has to change its course of discouraging honest citizens from concealed carry and gun ownership. Nothing deters gun crime more than the prospect that your intended victim just might kill you dead.

-JD

missed this in everything that had been posted -

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Yet Michio kaku is - Japanese-American futurist, theoretical physicist and popularizer of science. Kaku is a Professor of Theoretical Physics at the City College of New York

Who prefferes to have small penis yet live in the best country to live and do his research. Yes, you guessed it - the US of A. Not Serbia, not Albania. US of A !!! Fuck ye!

Keep on checking those German penises boy! Serbian family tradition !

Mucho kookoo was talking out if his ass when he made that claim and the dumbfuck serb fell for it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Time to move kiddos.

If that shit happened in my hometown, I would quickly leave. My town is rather safe, one of the fourth of fifth safest in the state. That's why I live here.

You might want to Google that prior to making the claim.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

Chicago's Homan Square police complex under fire - CNN.com

'I was struck with multiple blows': inside the secret violence of Homan Square | US news | The Guardian

let me know if you need any further google searches done for you

it's a tricky thing, but we can get through it.. together.

You do that chump and come back with credible sources and evidence, not "alleged witness" who was struck with multiple blows.
Go for it. On a count of three. Can you count to 3?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

You do that chump and come back with credible sources and evidence, not "alleged witness" who was struck with multiple blows.
Go for it. On count of three. Can count to 3?

i guess you're talking about the bodies that came out of a place with no due process?

lol. keep on keeping on there, trumper

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Mucho kookoo was talking out if his ass when he made that claim and the dumbfuck serb fell for it.

I think he was saying because he got his science degree in Serbia ....

















Oh wait... nope, he went to Cubberley High School in Palo Alto, Harvard and UC Berkeley.
How weird?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i guess you're talking about the bodies that came out of a place with no due process?

lol. keep on keeping on there, trumper

Backing out chump? I thought so

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Backing out chump? I thought so

it kinda warms my heart to think you're getting some sort of satisfaction out of.. whatever it is you think you have won

[sperbonzo]

https://reason.com/archives/2015/02/...are-in-context




The Historic Roots of Homan Square, Chicago's CIA-Style Black Site
The Chicago Police Department didn't need the War on Terror to teach it to violate civil rights.

Noah Berlatsky | February 28, 2015

Police brutality in the wake of Ferguson is often framed in terms of militarization. Once upon a time, the narrative goes, law enforcement in American cities focused on community policing and non-violent methods. Then there was 9/11 and the War on Terror. Anti-terror money was funneled into police departments, which purchased or received military-grade equipment and were corrupted by the example of Abu Ghraib and a general domestic environment of paranoia.

This narrative informs the (excellent, horrifying) new report from Spencer Ackerman on a CIA-style black site* run by the Chicago Police Department (CPD)?an "off-the-books interrogation compound" where suspects are restrained, denied access to legal counsel, and sometimes beaten. Ackerman says that the site, at Homan Square, is but one of Chicago police practices that "echo the much-criticized detention abuses of the U.S. war on terrorism." He quotes Tracy Siska, a Chicago Justice Project activist, who said that "the real danger in allowing practices like Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib is the fact that they always creep into other aspects."

Ackerman and Siska aren't wrong here; Chicago policing does echo Abu Ghraib, and using torture overseas can affect domestic law enforcement. But the causality is confused. The CPD didn't need, and doesn't need, the War on Terror to teach it to violate civil rights. It's had decades of practice already (as Ackerman acknowledges.) The problem is not that the War on Terror is bleeding into domestic policing, but rather that the War on Terror and domestic policing are part of a single, vicious whole, in which tactics and ideologies are shared between military, police, and the public, allowing for state torture and violence both at home and overseas.

If modern Chicago police torture has a starting point, it's not 9/11 but Vietnam. Military policeman Jon Burge appears to have used portable electric generators to torture suspects in the Mekong Delta in 1968. He brought those techniques back with him to Chicago, where he became a police detective and tortured more than 100 black men between the early 1970s and the early 1990s. Many of these men were convicted on the basis of false confessions. Some of them are still in prison?even though Burge himself, who was convicted of perjury, has served his time and been released.

Chicago's City Council is considering a reparations ordinance that would allocate funds to compensate survivors, build a memorial and community center, and provide an official apology. The ordinance is a major step towards justice?but it's also important to realize that Chicago's history of police impunity, violence, and lawlessness didn't stop with Burge.

Longtime Chicago activist Mariame Kaba of the Chicago Taskforce on Violence Against Girls and Young Women says she's heard rumors about the Homan Square site for at least a decade. But she also points out that police torture and brutality are hardly confined to one place or one location within the Chicago criminal justice system. The We Charge Genocide project, which Kaba has worked with, documents a regular regime of terror in black communities. Here's how one black man described an encounter with the CPD when he was 15:

We?re sitting in a house playing video games and we hear a banging on the door. Before we know it, the door is kicked down and there?s five special ops officers with their huge M16s drawn, pointed at us: Three 15-year-olds playing video games. And they tell us get on the ground. They say if we move they are gonna kill us. "Don?t look at me, we?ll fucking kill you in a second!" Pointing their guns at us. Then they don?t find anything. They let us all go, they laugh, try to joke with us, apologize, then leave out. And we?re sitting there like, "What just happened?" They tear up the house. They stole money.

Perhaps you could dismiss this as an aberration. But then, Jon Burge and the Homan Square site?not to mention the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner?suggest that police abuse in black communities is hardly unusual. Rather, it seems like the default.

So if police harassment, torture, and abuse are business as usual in Chicago, and indeed in the nation as a whole, why has Ackerman's article gotten so much attention? Partially because, while the Homan Square revelations aren't exactly aberrant, they're still striking. National Lawyers Guild member Sarah Gelsomino sounded incredulous and more than a little freaked out when she described her first encounter with the Homan Square facility. At that time she was trying to defend Brian Jacob Church, one of the "NATO 3," arrested in connection with protests against the 2012 NATO summit.

"It took us 17 hours to get to them," she said. "That whole time they were totally off the books. they were in no CPD database. We were calling every district and central booking in an effort to locate them. And were told repeatedly that they were nowhere in the system and they weren't in police custody."

The NATO 3 were kept shackled in a room. They weren't directly beaten or harmed, but Ackerman reports that there has been at least one death in the Homan Square facility, and another man was hospitalized with a head wound after his time there.

If you live in Chicago, or the United States, that's bound to make you feel uneasy. But the real reason that the Ackerman article has taken off, suggests Kaba, may be the fact that Ackerman quotes Church describing Homan Square as a domestic "black site." That terminology?generally associated with secret CIA prisons operated off American shores?ties into the narrative of evil foreign torture techniques being brought back to American cities.

We could see the warnings about torture tactics, and police militarization, as a kind of popularization technique. Chicago police don't need to learn from Abu Ghraib how to torture. But Americans may need to see Abu Ghraib in CPD in order to recognize the torture and violence happening here.

That's the optimistic view, anyway. The less positive take is that the obsession with torture and civil liberties abuses abroad makes it impossible for us to see how truly entrenched domestic police abuses are. When we act like police needed to go to Iraq to learn to torture, we forget our own history of lynching. When we say that 9/11 frightened us into civil liberties abuses, we forget that the American South, less than 200 years back, was one giant prison camp?a vast, unaccountable, antebellum Homan Square. For that matter Charles Graner, one of the guards who abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib, formerly worked at a Pennsylvania State Correctional Institute. Guards there were accused of beating and sexually humiliating inmates. If Abu Ghraib has come to the United States, it's only because the United States first went to Abu Ghraib.

To see "black sites" and torture as a new police innovation effectively "erases the histories of torture against many, many people," says Kaba. Hopefully Ackerman's report leads CPD to close the Homan Square site. But even if it does, the police in Chicago will undoubtedly continue to beat, torture, and hold people (especially people of color) without lawyers. Police brutality and impunity weren't invented on 9/11, and they weren't brought here from anywhere else. If we want a different kind of policing, we need to acknowledge the history, and the brutal Americanness, of the policing we've got.

* CPD told The Guardian that it "abides by all laws, rules and guidelines pertaining to any interviews of suspects or witnesses, at Homan Square or any other CPD facility."

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it kinda warms my heart to think you're getting some sort of satisfaction out of.. whatever it is you think you have won

Meh, I'm not Robbie or Markham. Its just fun to point out how Canadian welfare hippie quotes yellow press and then chokes on it. Next time stick to something you have a bit of clue. Like how to get unemployment checks from BC government and make some extra cash on the side with internet company ... selling porn. Deal, Tobby?

[pimpmaster9000]

Oh snap I forgot that horatio cane and dynamo know better than michio kaku...they obviously have more exerience than him he is just a professor and has been for decades...

Knowledge is somehow confined to the usa if you take the book to canada it becomes less smart somehow LOL

It makes perfect sense, its known that magic learning powder comes with the one trillion student debt its not like its a glorified predatory shitty educational system or anything like that...

Thank god that horatio cane and dynamo know better LOL

[Joe Obenberger]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

https://reason.com/archives/2015/02/...are-in-context




The Historic Roots of Homan Square, Chicago's CIA-Style Black Site
The Chicago Police Department didn't need the War on Terror to teach it to violate civil rights.

Noah Berlatsky | February 28, 2015

Police brutality in the wake of Ferguson is often framed in terms of militarization. Once upon a time, the narrative goes, law enforcement in American cities focused on community policing and non-violent methods. Then there was 9/11 and the War on Terror. Anti-terror money was funneled into police departments, which purchased or received military-grade equipment and were corrupted by the example of Abu Ghraib and a general domestic environment of paranoia.

This narrative informs the (excellent, horrifying) new report from Spencer Ackerman on a CIA-style black site* run by the Chicago Police Department (CPD)?an "off-the-books interrogation compound" where suspects are restrained, denied access to legal counsel, and sometimes beaten. Ackerman says that the site, at Homan Square, is but one of Chicago police practices that "echo the much-criticized detention abuses of the U.S. war on terrorism." He quotes Tracy Siska, a Chicago Justice Project activist, who said that "the real danger in allowing practices like Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib is the fact that they always creep into other aspects."

Ackerman and Siska aren't wrong here; Chicago policing does echo Abu Ghraib, and using torture overseas can affect domestic law enforcement. But the causality is confused. The CPD didn't need, and doesn't need, the War on Terror to teach it to violate civil rights. It's had decades of practice already (as Ackerman acknowledges.) The problem is not that the War on Terror is bleeding into domestic policing, but rather that the War on Terror and domestic policing are part of a single, vicious whole, in which tactics and ideologies are shared between military, police, and the public, allowing for state torture and violence both at home and overseas.

If modern Chicago police torture has a starting point, it's not 9/11 but Vietnam. Military policeman Jon Burge appears to have used portable electric generators to torture suspects in the Mekong Delta in 1968. He brought those techniques back with him to Chicago, where he became a police detective and tortured more than 100 black men between the early 1970s and the early 1990s. Many of these men were convicted on the basis of false confessions. Some of them are still in prison?even though Burge himself, who was convicted of perjury, has served his time and been released.

Longtime Chicago activist Mariame Kaba of the Chicago Taskforce on Violence Against Girls and Young Women says she's heard rumors about the Homan Square site for at least a decade. But she also points out that police torture and brutality are hardly confined to one place or one location within the Chicago criminal justice system. T
So if police harassment, torture, and abuse are business as usual in Chicago, and indeed in the nation as a whole, why has Ackerman's article gotten so much attention? Partially because, while the Homan Square revelations aren't exactly aberrant, they're still striking. National Lawyers Guild member Sarah Gelsomino sounded incredulous and more than a little freaked out when she described her first encounter with the Homan Square facility. At that time she was trying to defend Brian Jacob Church, one of the "NATO 3," arrested in connection with protests against the 2012 NATO summit.

"It took us 17 hours to get to them," she said. "That whole time they were totally off the books. they were in no CPD database. We were calling every district and central booking in an effort to locate them. And were told repeatedly that they were nowhere in the system and they weren't in police custody."

The NATO 3 were kept shackled in a room. They weren't directly beaten or harmed, but Ackerman reports that there has been at least one death in the Homan Square facility, and another man was hospitalized with a head wound after his time there.

If you live in Chicago, or the United States, that's bound to make you feel uneasy. But the real reason that the Ackerman article has taken off, suggests Kaba, may be the fact that Ackerman quotes Church describing Homan Square as a domestic "black site." That terminology?generally associated with secret CIA prisons operated off American shores?ties into the narrative of evil foreign torture techniques being brought back to American cities.

We could see the warnings about torture tactics, and police militarization, as a kind of popularization technique. Chicago police don't need to learn from Abu Ghraib how to torture. But Americans may need to see Abu Ghraib in CPD in order to recognize the torture and violence happening here.

That's the optimistic view, anyway. The less positive take is that the obsession with torture and civil liberties abuses abroad makes it impossible for us to see how truly entrenched domestic police abuses are. When we act like police needed to go to Iraq to learn to torture, we forget our own history of lynching. When we say that 9/11 frightened us into civil liberties abuses, we forget that the American South, less than 200 years back, was one giant prison camp?a vast, unaccountable, antebellum Homan Square. For that matter Charles Graner, one of the guards who abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib, formerly worked at a Pennsylvania State Correctional Institute. Guards there were accused of beating and sexually humiliating inmates. If Abu Ghraib has come to the United States, it's only because the United States first went to Abu Ghraib.

To see "black sites" and torture as a new police innovation effectively "erases the histories of torture against many, many people," says Kaba. Hopefully Ackerman's report leads CPD to close the Homan Square site. But even if it does, the police in Chicago will undoubtedly continue to beat, torture, and hold people (especially people of color) without lawyers. Police brutality and impunity weren't invented on 9/11, and they weren't brought here from anywhere else. If we want a different kind of policing, we need to acknowledge the history, and the brutal Americanness, of the policing we've got.

* CPD told The Guardian that it "abides by all laws, rules and guidelines pertaining to any interviews of suspects or witnesses, at Homan Square or any other CPD facility."

Some of the more extreme comments are propaganda from a different direction. The Left and the Radicals like to call Homan Square a "Black Site" and that just isn't true. Homan Square holds a bunch of support services for the Chicago Police, including its most important Evidence Room. Every Chicago lawyer doing misdemeanor criminal cases has known about it forever, and a good many of their clients. For more than a decade, when I disposed of a prostitution case at the Harrison and Kedzie branch court, I'd usually also get a court order for the release of my client's money, cellular phone, and laptop - and I'd drive my client from court to Homan Square, like four blocks away, to recover her property. There are signs clearly identifying the facility as CPD and parking for both cop cars and civilians, and there are marked CPD vehicles all around it. The big, very old building was part of the Sears Roebuck mail order facility that occupies blocks and blocks in the area, and which is dominated by an ornate, old-time tower that, with an adjoining park, was the public image of the Sears facility. So, CPD's use of Homan Square never was any secret. What wasn't so public was that they used it for interrogation and holding of arrestees when there was some element of secrecy to the investigation - as for example when undercover drug cops made an undercover buy-bust - or when they used infiltrators to get inside radical organizations whom CPD belived might be prone to planning violent acts and other crimes. They apparently wanted to have their plain clothes, covert personnel have a place to come and go with prisoners so their identity would not be compromised. That's reasonable in my judgment. What's always troubling is the idea of keeping people off the books for hours. I can understand why they do it, if it's intentional as it probably is: part of their goal is the "flip" drug arrestees to work with them. If the arrest goes on the books, it becomes public and is also available to regular, sometimes corrupt beat cops, and the very fact of the arrest can both endanger the life of the arrestee and eliminate their utility as informants. On the other hand, it can also set up the potential of "disappearing" people as happened in Argentina. A public record of arrest is generally a good thing because a transparent arrest process makes the police accountable for the safety and treatment of the arrestees, it is a tool against tyranny and abuse. You can guess how I think the balance should come down, and that's in favor of public records of all arrests with a very short time after arrest, for everyone's protection. If they lose the opportunity to flip some drug dealers, it's not a matter that bothers me much. I don't think we should be in the business of telling people what substances adults can chose to ingest with eyes wide open.