EPA Chief concedes no climate impact from climate rule; it's about 'reinventing a global economy'

[wehateporn]

[EonBlue]

The same has been admitted by high ranking UN officials:

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

?One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,? said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.?s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

?We redistribute de facto the world?s wealth by climate policy,? said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn?t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that ?the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world?s resources will be negotiated.?

Mad as they are, Edenhofer?s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement?s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.?s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

?This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,? she said in anticipation of last year?s Paris climate summit.

?This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.?

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[poncabare]

libs will think up another crisis point to stand behind

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by poncabare

libs will think up another crisis point to stand behind

They've already got everybody fooled and going all in on this one.



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[Paul Markham]

He was right that one action will have minimal effect on reducing temperatures. Which is the same for every single action. combine them and it will make a difference.

Not enough to stop Climate Change. The Earth does that regardless of what we do. We can speed it up or slow it dowmn. We can reduce populations who rely on Natural Resources or increase them so more die.

The Earth goes through periods of Climate Change on a regular basis. sometimes drops enough to freeze rivers that would not normally freeze, or high enough so it doesn't rain and cause awful droughts.

Or changes so dramatically entire species get wiped out or evolve. Which is what it's doing now. Can 7 Billion adapt or cope with this? No, and it will be the poor people who die first.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

the entire climate thing is a scandal and scam

[sperbonzo]

OK, this comes as a complete shock to me....








.... and by "shock" I mean, "duh, who didn't see that 10 years ago"?






The hard left progressive/socialist/communists of 30 years ago knew that their best bet to get done what they wanted was to move over into the environmental movement.






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[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the entire climate thing is a scandal and scam

Climate change is a fact. The only debate is how much is Man contributing to it and how much we can do to reduce the damage.



If we are to protect more Humans, we will need to reinvent the Global Economy. To an economy based on, a lot less consuming.

[EonBlue]

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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He was right that one action will have minimal effect on reducing temperatures. Which is the same for every single action. combine them and it will make a difference.

Not enough to stop Climate Change. The Earth does that regardless of what we do. We can speed it up or slow it dowmn. We can reduce populations who rely on Natural Resources or increase them so more die.

The Earth goes through periods of Climate Change on a regular basis. sometimes drops enough to freeze rivers that would not normally freeze, or high enough so it doesn't rain and cause awful droughts.

Or changes so dramatically entire species get wiped out or evolve. Which is what it's doing now. Can 7 Billion adapt or cope with this? No, and it will be the poor people who die first.

So far off base that there is no way to know where to begin with that nonsense.

Anyways, don't pretend to care about poor people because the "solutions" to the supposed problem are hurting more people, especially the poor, than the "problem" itself.




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[Serge Litehead]

regardless of climate change
noted this line "to change the economic development model" in the quote above. i'm very curious how is it possible to change the economic developing model, and to what, I mean what kind of results would be expected. and what is "the economic development model" to begin with.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by holograph

regardless of climate change
noted this line "to change the economic development model" in the quote above. i'm very curious how is it possible to change the economic developing model, and to what, I mean what kind of results would be expected. and what is "the economic development model" to begin with.

Simply - end capitalism, try to bring in centrally planned "enlightened" socialism, end up like Venezuela.




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[dyna mo]

this thread gets it wrong.

here's his original interview, translated. he's clearly not saying what this thread is purporting him to say.

Klimaschutz hat mit Umweltschutz kaum mehr etwas zu tun, sagt der Ökonom Ottmar Edenhofer. Der nächste Weltklimagipfel in Cancún sei eigentlich ein Wirtschaftsgipfel, bei dem es um die Verteilung der Ressourcen gehe. Interview: Bernhard Pötter: «Klim


the correct interpretation of his comment:

"But one must say clearly: We distribute the climate policy de facto the world's wealth. That the owners of coal and oil, which are not excited, is obvious. You have to free ourselves from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has to do with environmental policy, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole to almost nothing."

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

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So who is doing the fooling?

Clearly the planet is getting warmer when it gets to the critical stage as it has done in the past. Who do you think are the ones suffering the most today?

Yes, it's happening today as we post. Do you think the people starving because crops don't get enough water are being fooled?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

So far off base that there is no way to know where to begin with that nonsense.

Anyways, don't pretend to care about poor people because the "solutions" to the supposed problem are hurting more people, especially the poor, than the "problem" itself.

What made you think I care?

Do you care enough to donate 10% of your income to care for the starving masses in the Third World? If not, then we are both on a level for caring.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by holograph

regardless of climate change
noted this line "to change the economic development model" in the quote above. i'm very curious how is it possible to change the economic developing model, and to what, I mean what kind of results would be expected. and what is "the economic development model" to begin with.

It means people living a far simpler lifestyle, reducing populations by as much as a half. And then to a quarter.

Water will be the first resource to become very scarce, this will effect crops and livestock. to such a degree that food will become scarce and expensive. Cheap easy to find oil is getting scarce, that will impact on plastics and the prices of fuels.

The overwhelming problem will 7 billion trying to live off the resource only capable of supporting half that number. Compare these and see the problem.





1.111 billion live in Africa. that's more than the entire world the last time we had climate changes of ay significance.

Capitalism won't help when the shit hits the fan.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So who is doing the fooling?

Clearly the planet is getting warmer when it gets to the critical stage as it has done in the past. Who do you think are the ones suffering the most today?

Yes, it's happening today as we post. Do you think the people starving because crops don't get enough water are being fooled?

What is this critical stage you speak of? Where is it? When is it?

Name one period in the history of the world, regardless of climate, when there haven't been starving people. We feed more people on this planet right now than at any other time in history.

Don't confuse local and/or regional droughts with global climate. People that try to grow food in drought prone areas are bound to face some hard times due to cyclical weather patterns.

And don't think for a second that higher temperatures necessarily lead to drier conditions. Antarctica is technically the driest continent on earth in terms of annual precipitation.

So stop getting your panties in a bunch because you are devoid of factual information.



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[EonBlue]

Paul, stop being such a pessimistic doom-monger.

Why climate change is good for the world

Dr Randall Donohue and colleagues of the CSIRO Land and Water department in Australia also analysed satellite data and found greening to be clearly attributable in part to the carbon dioxide fertilisation effect. Greening is especially pronounced in dry areas like the Sahel region of Africa, where satellites show a big increase in green vegetation since the 1970s.

It is often argued that global warming will hurt the world?s poorest hardest. What is seldom heard is that the decline of famines in the Sahel in recent years is partly due to more rainfall caused by moderate warming and partly due to more carbon dioxide itself: more greenery for goats to eat means more greenery left over for gazelles, so entire ecosystems have benefited.

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[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So who is doing the fooling?

Clearly the planet is getting warmer when it gets to the critical stage as it has done in the past. Who do you think are the ones suffering the most today?

Yes, it's happening today as we post. Do you think the people starving because crops don't get enough water are being fooled?

Actually, the fact is that there are fewer people living in extreme poverty and starving to death than ANY other time in human history.... and it's because of the technological advances as a result of people working in free markets.









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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually, the fact is that there are fewer people living in extreme poverty and starving to death than ANY other time in human history.... and it's because of the technological advances as a result of people working in free markets.
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You'll never convince an apparent communist of that.

And one that is for is for certain is that communists are very good at reducing populations.



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