Question to people from the UK (Brexit)

[nico-t]

What's the average opinion on Brexit in your direct environment? Family, friends, neighbors etc?

And what do you feel is the average in the UK in general?

Because this referendum is extremely important, not only to you but also to the Netherlands and all other countries who are ruled by this EU dictatorship.

I am asking this because of the unbelievable Brexit polls:
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
latest is 46% stay (WTF) and 43% leave.

I would have assumed, especially by now, that you would have about 60% who would vote leave (same as our Dutch referendum). Yet there are lots of people who vote stay. How come? Is everyone asleep? Or are the polls just not accurate?

[Jel]

seems a 50/50 split really amongst my friends, most of what you'd label lefties are in favour of staying, most of what's typically describes as the right want out.

Me? I couldn't give a fuck one way or the other so won't be voting... the day my life is down to some external shit like what govt is in, or whether we are in europe or not, amongst other external shit like oh noes the 1%, is the day I give myself a huge smack in my own mouth.

If I were actually forced to vote, I'd vote out, purely because lefties are more annoying than the right.

[wehateporn]

Asked about 10 people, 9 want out, 1 wants in

[helmuc]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Because this referendum is extremely important, not only to you but also to the Netherlands and all other countries who are ruled by this EU dictatorship.

.. call names as they are.. it is movement against German dictatorship no the EU one..

I am Latvian (EU) and have been living in the UK for the last 6 years and support this desire to leave EU, although it could bite me in the ass :D

I have a hobby podcast for Latvians who live in the UK (small EU nation - population less than 2 mil) and did recort a short 5 min podcast for them to understand what is it all about: https://soundcloud.com/tautauk/041-i...-david-cameron

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by nico-t

I would have assumed, especially by now, that you would have about 60% who would vote leave (same as our Dutch referendum). Yet there are lots of people who vote stay. How come? Is everyone asleep? Or are the polls just not accurate?

If the referendum was honest the UK would be right out of the EU, but unfortunately they'll be rigging it with the postal votes, like they did with the Scottish one

Scrap 'on demand' postal voting to curb fraud, says judge - BBC News

https://www.sott.net/article/286355-...ow-and-the-Why

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by helmuc

.. call names as they are.. it is movement against German dictatorship no the EU one..

I am Latvian (EU) and have been living in the UK for the last 6 years and support this desire to leave EU, although it could bite me in the ass :D

I have a hobby podcast for Latvians who live in the UK (small EU nation - population less than 2 mil) and did recort a short 5 min podcast for them to understand what is it all about: https://soundcloud.com/tautauk/041-i...-david-cameron

Latvian traitor

[arock10]

Do whatever makes the pound go down in value... I reckon that's exit

[DraX]

Media and certain elite millionaires are also working hard now spreading how much of a loss it will be if U.K. leaves EU. So propaganda and fear mongering on the schedule.

There will be a period of transition no doubt but the U.K. will adapt and survive.

I do fear it will end in U.K. staying, voters are easy manipulated lemmings and the elite knows that.

[mineistaken]

It is funny that no anti EU brainwash agenda referendums/elections do not end well. Examples:
Scottish exit close, but badly
Austrian presidential elections very close, but badly
NL referendum - correct, but ignored/overrules by EU powers
Brexis - I predict the same tendency, close, but badly.

Wehateporn already weighted in regards to conspiracy element..

[CurrentlySober]

I'm personally voting to leave. IMO there is too much unnecessary rules being imposed by Europe (Such as the new vaping regulations etc) and I also don't like the obvious lies that the government are saying in order to get people to vote 'Stay'...

[Manfap]

I can't vote because I've lived outside the UK too long... bastards.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Jel

seems a 50/50 split really amongst my friends, most of what you'd label lefties are in favour of staying, most of what's typically describes as the right want out.

Me? I couldn't give a fuck one way or the other so won't be voting... the day my life is down to some external shit like what govt is in, or whether we are in europe or not, amongst other external shit like oh noes the 1%, is the day I give myself a huge smack in my own mouth.

If I were actually forced to vote, I'd vote out, purely because lefties are more annoying than the right.

it's pretty important, it was, is and will be. You can see one of the effects of the EU in London. It's pretty much an islamic city now.

Other even more important effects it has and will have, is EU law which will simply overrule your sovereignty. This means EU officials who were never elected by you or any other citizen lay down their own laws on you. When citizens disagree they cant get these officials to step down, because they were never voted in to begin with. It's the definition of a dictatorship.

[Scott McD]

I'm voting OUT !!

Typical of the UK in general to moan for years about the EU and how much it costs us every damn year to be a member, how we gave to stick to their ridiculous "human rights" laws, and of course the immigration issue which as everyone knows is out of hand by now, yet it comes to the vote and we shit it again because our government have played every scare story they can come up with.

Apparently most Scots are voting 'stay'. Which doesn't surprise me since we shat it to vote "Yes" last year to seperate from the rest of the UK.

Get me the fuck out of here...

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

It is funny that no anti EU brainwash agenda referendums/elections do not end well. Examples:
Scottish exit close, but badly
Austrian presidential elections very close, but badly
NL referendum - correct, but ignored/overrules by EU powers
Brexis - I predict the same tendency, close, but badly.

Wehateporn already weighted in regards to conspiracy element..

Yes, that's what i expect as well. When they feel all their blatant, offensive lies to their own citizens are failing, they will absolutely rig it.

The Dutch referendum was not binding for the government, it was consultative. I think when it would have been binding the propaganda would be much more in full force like it was now. But our government did had to make a decision (respect the No or refuse the outcome) by law, which they didn't - they just postponed their decision, an illegal decision by law, to save their own asses. "It takes months!" is what our head traitor said. Because he is waiting for the Brexit outcome first, that lying piece of shit. While closing deals with Ukraine behind closed doors.
All this when we all voted No... it is just getting completely ignored because, once again, the EU wants it. That nice EU. A blessing to our democracy.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I'm voting OUT !!

Typical of the UK in general to moan for years about the EU and how much it costs us every damn year to be a member, how we gave to stick to their ridiculous "human rights" laws, and of course the immigration issue which as everyone knows is out of hand by now, yet it comes to the vote and we shit it again because our government have played every scare story they can come up with.

Apparently most Scots are voting 'stay'. Which doesn't surprise me since we shat it to vote "Yes" last year to seperate from the rest of the UK.

Get me the fuck out of here...

I stumbled across big headed, tiny faced David Camerons Twitter the other day. The lies about a Brexit he spews are so ridiculous it's laughable. He is just lying in the faces of the citizens, to read it made me sick to my stomach. These assholes should be locked up for treason in a heartbeat.

The saddest part is that after all this, people like slimy prime minister Rutte her in NL, who lies, cheats and fucks us over on a daily basis, will still have supporters of completely dense, ignorant slaves. Same with traitor Cameron.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by nico-t

I stumbled across big headed, tiny faced David Camerons Twitter the other day. The lies about a Brexit he spews are so ridiculous it's laughable. He is just lying in the faces of the citizens, to read it made me sick to my stomach. These assholes should be locked up for treason in a heartbeat.

The saddest part is that after all this, people like slimy prime minister Rutte her in NL, who lies, cheats and fucks us over on a daily basis, will still have supporters of completely dense, ignorant slaves. Same with traitor Cameron.

He practically predicted World War 3 if we leave a week or so ago.

Why anyone would listen to that cunt after that claim is beyond me...

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by helmuc

.. call names as they are.. it is movement against German dictatorship no the EU one...

Nothing wrong with German dictatorships... If 70 years ago people wouldn't be so GermanFobic we wouldn't have a minority-problem in Europe today...

[rogueteens]

all the polls say its a 50/50 split but I can honestly say that every single person I know wants out ... god knows who those "in" people are?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

all the polls say its a 50/50 split but I can honestly say that every single person I know wants out ... god knows who those "in" people are?

I know some 2nd generation British Muslims who are concerned Brexit would mean we close the borders and stop letting more Muslims in, they feel safer to stick with the EU

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I know some 2nd generation British Muslims who are concerned Brexit would mean we close the borders and stop letting more Muslims in, they feel safer to stick with the EU

there are a heck of a lot of people with questionable links to the UK that can vote - many EU nationals can for some reason even though most are not meant to be able to. As its pretty much a given that the immigrant vote will be voting remain (according to every poll), the exit's have at least a 5 million vote defect before the count even starts.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

there are a heck of a lot of people with questionable links to the UK that can vote - many EU nationals can for some reason even though most are not meant to be able to. As its pretty much a given that the immigrant vote will be voting remain (according to every poll), the exit's have at least a 5 million vote defect before the count even starts.

It's rather scary, and they are voting purely on the issue of "EU allows me here"

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's rather scary, and they are voting purely on the issue of "EU allows me here"

as much as I really, really want us out. it's just not going to happen. the next time we'll have a chance to leave or to control immigration will be during the next civil war.

[Ross]

I haven't lived in Scotland for more than 8 years now, full on, so like Manfap, I cannot vote. I honestly couldn't give a fuck what the outcome is. The positives and negatives will never be realized regardless of what happens. Leaving and saving all the money it costs to be a member of the EU, will not be passed down to the people who need it or to rebuild better infrastructure. Similarly, the dooms day scenario that Cameron predicts, will never happen either. The Nation will adapt, there will be upheaval and headaches either way but in the end, everyone will get on with life because that's what British people do.

British people all have an opinion on shit but 90% of them are too stupid to even understand their own opinion and mostly are just listening to that one friend who sounds like they know what they are talking about. My only concern with leaving is that I am no longer free to live and work in another EU Country anymore. Eventually one day I had planned to go back to living in Europe and if that is gone then it affects me. Nothing else in all of this affects me one bit so the rest of the idiots back home can do as they please.

Scottish people were too afraid to break free of England and be independent, after that farce I no longer care about much that happens in the UK. I don't plan to ever live there again anyway.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Ross

I haven't lived in Scotland for more than 8 years now, full on, so like Manfap, I cannot vote. I honestly couldn't give a fuck what the outcome is. The positives and negatives will never be realized regardless of what happens. Leaving and saving all the money it costs to be a member of the EU, will not be passed down to the people who need it or to rebuild better infrastructure. Similarly, the dooms day scenario that Cameron predicts, will never happen either. The Nation will adapt, there will be upheaval and headaches either way but in the end, everyone will get on with life because that's what British people do.

British people all have an opinion on shit but 90% of them are too stupid to even understand their own opinion and mostly are just listening to that one friend who sounds like they know what they are talking about. My only concern with leaving is that I am no longer free to live and work in another EU Country anymore. Eventually one day I had planned to go back to living in Europe and if that is gone then it affects me. Nothing else in all of this affects me one bit so the rest of the idiots back home can do as they please.

nico-t... london is an islam state? yeah if you live in some shithole part of it, in which case, move - you shouldn't be living in a shithole anyway, whether it's 'islam' or white chav cunts. Can't afford to move? Do something that means you can. Labour, tory, eu, not in the eu... if anyone on this board is actually truly affected by any of that, they need to take a good long look at their personal choices so far in life. Unless you are diabled, or SEVERELY disadvantaged, blaming which party is in, or the EU (or not) is a cop-out. I feel for those genuinely affected by either 'tory cuts' and 'labor expenditure' and 'immigration crisis' and whatever else, but ultimately I look out for me and my kids... and that means doing what I do regardless of blahblah etcetc external this that and the other when it really boils down to it

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I know some 2nd generation British Muslims who are concerned Brexit would mean we close the borders and stop letting more Muslims in, they feel safer to stick with the EU

Yep. Regardless of English peoples good intentions about intending to vote, you can guarantee the muslims will be out in force with almost military precision to ensure that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them who can vote, votes stay.

TBH, it doesn't effect me personally that much either way, as I can afford to live in an expensive area, have private health care and send grandkids to private school if I choose... But I still think out is better in the long run, but I cant see it happening...

[DVTimes]

[ianmoone332000]

Il be voting out. Immigration is out of control and its the only way to stop it

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Manfap

I can't vote because I've lived outside the UK too long... bastards.

Me as well.

IMO the EU has to be broken up. They're trying to rule Europe with only the threat of Trade. We had trade agreements before the EU was formed.

It's been very good for Czech, we have a stable population as many have left. Those who left were mostly low paid/skilled workers. Or unemployed.

I can get an appointment with my GP in hours, a hospital bed in a day, there's very little unemployment or low wages, benefit payments are stable, schools are one language, never been served in a shop, coffee bar, fruit or vegetable picker, van driver, etc Who wasn't Czech.

We do have a few Ukrainian Building Workers here. They bring them in as required.

And I sold my products World Wide. I do see a lot of goods from the Third World. Also saw a Remainer working for Airbus say that if the UK leaves, the EU could move the plant to other places in the world. So why not leave them in the UK with skilled workers who do the job now?

Britain has seen GDP per Capita fall. The figure doesn't take into account the huge pay rises of at the top 5%. For most the cost of living is higher and wages stagnant or dropping. That's if they can get a job with all the migrant competitors.

A vote to stay in is a vote against real democracy.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Jel

nico-t... london is an islam state? yeah if you live in some shithole part of it, in which case, move - you shouldn't be living in a shithole anyway, whether it's 'islam' or white chav cunts. Can't afford to move? Do something that means you can. Labour, tory, eu, not in the eu... if anyone on this board is actually truly affected by any of that, they need to take a good long look at their personal choices so far in life. Unless you are diabled, or SEVERELY disadvantaged, blaming which party is in, or the EU (or not) is a cop-out. I feel for those genuinely affected by either 'tory cuts' and 'labor expenditure' and 'immigration crisis' and whatever else, but ultimately I look out for me and my kids... and that means doing what I do regardless of blahblah etcetc external this that and the other when it really boils down to it

due to this 'external influence', where you can vote on on june 23rd, german and swedish daughters are sexually assaulted, laws are rammed down your throat from EU dictators instead of people you vote for, ghettos in London have become sharia areas, people are blown to bits in belgium and france, etc. This is all a direct and indirect cause of EU policy.

Do you have kids or plan on having kids? Or do you give a damn about other people? Then it is your fucking duty to vote the 23rd. You can live your life and don't give a fuck, and watch the world around you go to shit. Or you can take one tiny effort to do your part and at least try to make the world a better place.

[NatalieK]

when it's not broke, you shouldn't try to fix it. The EU's good for the UK

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I'm voting OUT !!

I'd be voting out..... the UK will take no more than 2 years to rebalance.

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

when it's not broke, you shouldn't try to fix it.

It is very broken. Immigration has been a hot topic for well over a decade and its a complete waste of debate.

Quality is what matters, not quantity.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

when it's not broke, you shouldn't try to fix it. The EU's good for the UK

[Jel]

Originally Posted by nico-t

due to this 'external influence', where you can vote on on june 23rd, german and swedish daughters are sexually assaulted, laws are rammed down your throat from EU dictators instead of people you vote for, ghettos in London have become sharia areas, people are blown to bits in belgium and france, etc. This is all a direct and indirect cause of EU policy.

Do you have kids or plan on having kids? Or do you give a damn about other people? Then it is your fucking duty to vote the 23rd. You can live your life and don't give a fuck, and watch the world around you go to shit. Or you can take one tiny effort to do your part and at least try to make the world a better place.

I have 2 kids, and voting on eu or not will make not 1 single bit of difference to me nor them, nor will being in or out of it... people are fucking deluded if they think otherwise. It's my 'duty' to vote my ass... and read my post again, your questions about whether I have kids or give a damn about other people is clearly stated. I don't tell anyone not to vote, so fuck anyone who tells me it's some kind of 'duty' for me to vote holy shit people still fall for that old line and/or believe the 'reasons' for it? It's a feel-good action, no more no less. I do more to save the planet by throwing my litter in a trash can than I ever could by voting (voting how YOU would like me to vote no doubt). I may fucking vote to stay in just down to the idiocy in this thread. I agree with almost all your posts on here, but you're so wide of any factual mark in this one it's not funny. Well actually it is. And fuck voting, I'd sooner have a wank.

[wehateporn]

[Jel]

As for immigration... you're all on drugs if you think the UK exiting the EU will have any real impact... the problem is a lot closer to home than the EU... and even then fuck all will change no matter who is in. But waste energy getting enraged about how terrible it all is and thinking your vote means anything more than jack shit

like tubes, politicians won... get over it, and use it all to your advantage.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Jel

I have 2 kids, and voting on eu or not will make not 1 single bit of difference to me nor them, nor will being in or out of it... people are fucking deluded if they think otherwise.

So you actually think if we took 2 parallel universes: 1 with exit and 1 with staying - everything would be exactly the same? You are delusional if so.

If you say that it won't be exactly the same, simple example.
nico-t talked about rapes. Lets say with staying you get 1.000.000 new muslim invaders per certain amount of time. With exit you may get "only" 900.000 new muslim invaders per same amount of time.
What does it mean in terms of rapes? Less chances to get raped for all the females (including yours).
So here is very random example of how it affect you and your kids.
And this is just one single perspective, there are lots of them.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

So you actually think if we took 2 parallel universes: 1 with exit and 1 with staying - everything would be exactly the same? You are delusional if so.

If you say that it won't be exactly the same, simple example.
nico-t talked about rapes. Lets say with staying you get 1.000.000 new muslim invaders per certain amount of time. With exit you may get "only" 900.000 new muslim invaders per same amount of time.
What does it mean in terms of rapes? Less chances to get raped for all the females (including yours).
So here is very random example of how it affect you and your kids.
And this is just one single perspective, there are lots of them.

Gee, let me also make up a load of fictional scenarios, put "let's say" in front of them, and ask you if they would or wouldn't happen if we guessed at different paths which haven't been taken yet.

You learn that trick at the markham school of 'here's what tube sites earn'?

I'm telling you that my life, and my kids lives, will be exactly the same, I haven't explored the realms of fantasy land where muslims invaders go on a rape spree in some shithole area I or any of my family will never live in, due to us doing the shit we need to, to make sure that never happens.

Unlike all the 'businessmen' on this board, I go by the principle that I should always try and better myself and my personal situation, rather than spend my time fretting about some khazi in east london that went to shit 20 years ago. Just like I don't spend my time worrying about not eating, or not having any water, despite the fact that on planet earth, which I share with my fellow humans, people in 2016 starve to death, or the fact in 2016 there are involuntary homeless people in the UK.

Sure, it sucks, but I don't help the problem by getting on a high horse and claiming it's people's 'duty' to "vote for change! we *can* make a difference!" What utter horseshit. Are you 15? How anyone with any experience of life for the last 20 years can think voting does anything other than give schools a day off is baffling.

Here's a prediction: if the UK votes out of the EU, in 5 years time people will be saying the exact same thing as they are now, except it'll be the tories' fault, or labour's fault, or the local council's fault, or the legacy of the EU's fault, or 'insert 101 somebody-elses here' fault that things in their own world aren't exactly as they would like them to be. Bookmark this post

[wehateporn]

[Jel]

you know what, this thread epitomises the mindset of the so-called businessmen here today. Everything is a wall, everything is a what if this, what if that, let's say that this might happen (followed by random scenarios) - someone else is making me xyz. I'm not saying walls aren't real, but fuck... go over it, go round it, dig under it, but get past it without crying wah-wah there's a wall stopping me. Nobody is going to GIVE you what you WANT because 50% of the world want abc and the other 50% want xyz, and that's just the most general things... instead of trying to change the rest of the world to fit what you want, change your fucking self so you go GET what you want.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jel

As for immigration... you're all on drugs if you think the UK exiting the EU will have any real impact... the problem is a lot closer to home than the EU... and even then fuck all will change no matter who is in. But waste energy getting enraged about how terrible it all is and thinking your vote means anything more than jack shit

like tubes, politicians won... get over it, and use it all to your advantage.

Agree. The problem with migration is ideological. The UK has become so PC it's afraid to stop mass migration of fear of being called racist. Which implies most migrants who have low skills or need benefits or a different colour.

As for no effect on your children. Unless they can earn 6 figures, odds on they will not own their own home, pay a high rent and will find it harder to get a job with a decent wage.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Vendot

It is very broken. Immigration has been a hot topic for well over a decade and its a complete waste of debate.

Quality is what matters, not quantity.

This is how stupidly PC it has become.

EU referendum: Corbyn urged to be 'bolder and braver' in making case for immigration | Politics | The Guardian

We now have the represents of the working classes, being told that they have to suck up what has reduced their living standard. And accept it will get worse.

As for Unions, they've become less powerful due to mass migration.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jel

I'm telling you that my life, and my kids lives, will be exactly the same

No it will not. In 20 years at the present rate of power. The EU will be the Government of the UK or the UK will be sidelined. The power balance of the EU will favour Germany and the smaller nations. The UK will be out-voted every time.

I haven't explored the realms of fantasy land where muslims invaders go on a rape spree in some shithole area I or any of my family will never live in, due to us doing the shit we need to, to make sure that never happens.

I suggest you research the facts. Such as foreigners, Muslims, Migrants, second generation migrants. In prison.

Especially Muslims in prison for sex crimes. Do it on percentiles. Of course, you don't know where your children will live, find a job, or where migrants will decide to live. Try doing some exploring.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it will not. In 20 years at the present rate of power. The EU will be the Government of the UK or the UK will be sidelined. The power balance of the EU will favour Germany and the smaller nations. The UK will be out-voted every time.

So fucking what? My life will be exactly the same: earning a living, aiming to better myself and my then current situation, moving if necessary, changing careers if necessary, overcoming any obstacles as necessary... exactly like it has been for the last 20 years. The world might be different (just as it is now from 20 years ago), but seems people aren't grasping that just like everyone else, I've adapted as needed. That is a given, and won't suddenly become unnecessary just because we are either in or out of the EU... and let's not forget according to the other side, all this disastrous shit would happen should we leave. Again, the world would change - sometimes for better, sometimes worse, but *my* situation in as far as my 2nd sentence here will remain.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I suggest you research the facts. Such as foreigners, Muslims, Migrants, second generation migrants. In prison.

Especially Muslims in prison for sex crimes. Do it on percentiles. Of course, you don't know where your children will live, find a job, or where migrants will decide to live. Try doing some exploring.

who gives a fuck that the prison system is full of rapists, murderers, and thieves? Do you really think there is any kind of good chance that outside of some shithole, females have a good chance of being raped? murdered? These crimes will suddenly stop and that the chances go from 0.001% to 0.0001%? That immigration will stop entirely... is that what people think is going to happen... surely they aren't that fucking dumb?

My kids.. I know they won't be living in a shithole, or scrabbling around looking for a job at a drive-thru, and I instil in them the same principles of: if you are in a situation you don't like, do what you need to, to get out of that situation... whether it's a relationship, a job, a place, a shitty friendship, whatever. The only duty here is the one you owe yourself to change any situation you don't like by getting off your ass and doing something about it, not waiting around thinking the fucking government, of all things, is going to do any damn thing at all for you. They never have, and they never will - their bottom line is how much cash they can get out of you, and what carrots they can dangle to stay in, or get in, power.

Posting in this thread is now as futile an exercise in real terms as voting, so adios, and good luck everyone on making an actual 'change' in your lives by putting an X on a ballot paper

[helmuc]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Latvian traitor

well, I get that it is a joke

Latvia had to fight the battle of its own to get out of Russia (who was hiding behind a brand USSR) and we all understand how important it is to feel independent (even though that is utopia in this global era).

+ Latvians aren't really afraid of consequences what happens after.. and even in the worst scenario - we are just 48hours drive away from home.

personally I support this desire even though it might be an economical suicide, but that is a different topic

H

[helmuc]

... the London mayoral elections just add fuel to the fire..

.. it almost feels like a classic chess sacrifice before making the main move..

[AllAboutCams]

Where is freddythedog?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Il be voting out. Immigration is out of control and its the only way to stop it

you had no immigration before joining the EU?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you had no immigration before joining the EU?

We had no wide open borders without any checks before joining the EU. The immigration was controlled, so that is correct.

Without the EU, Europe wouldn't have been overrun with the latest masses of people. They wouldn't even think of going here in such huge numbers like they do now. Completely different world.

[nico-t]

Thought this was pretty interesting... There was a poll from the biggest newpaper in the Netherlands about Brexit today...



Wat is says is:
"Brits should stay in EU" - 80% DISAGREES
below that:
"Should Holland have a referendum about EU membership as well?" - 88% says YES

Good to see more and more people are waking up here... UK, you should wake up as well!