Poll: So... which one is more porn friendly?

[GregE]

Let's cut to the chase. Who need we worry about more, Trump or Hillary?

[Spunky]

The Rumpster

[GregE]

BTW, if anyone wants to tell me how to properly post a poll question with voting options and all that good stuff... they're more than welcome to tell me how to do so

[Major (Tom)]

We need to worry about hillary more.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We need to worry about hillary more.

Given that the first thing which happened after American women were given the right to vote was alcohol prohibition, I'm inclined to agree

[sandman!]

:thum bsup

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We need to worry about hillary more.

[GregE]

Time for a bump. Somebody tell me how to do a real "poll" thread

[k0nr4d]

Women should not run countries. Look what Merkel did to Germany...

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Women should not run countries. Look what Merkel did to Germany...

Thatcher got Britain out of shit, there again, she's the 'Iron Lady'

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Women should not run countries. Look what Merkel did to Germany...

i was curious, so googled and came up with this:

How Angela Merkel Has Led Germany to New Prominence | Vanity Fair

that said something else interesting:

Merkel has the added advantage that her predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, instituted a number of unpopular structural reforms of the welfare state—giving management more leeway in laying off employees and streamlining various government benefits—that probably cost Schröder the 2005 election that saw Merkel come to power.

Which is curious, as isn't that what all the riots in France are about currently? however i think the french government voted these reforms down, and then president and co just executive-actioned the law into existence

[C H R I S]

This is an insane. Trump is running with the republican party, the same party responsible for the Obscenity prosecutions of many in the porn industry. Democrats have always had a hands off approach to adult entertainment.

[Wizzo]

I posted this on another board:

I could easily see Clinton or Trump selling porn down the river for political gain, however Gary Johnson and other Libertarians will not only not do that, they will defend our right to be in this industry.

Here's a few quotes from their platform:

We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.

1.0 Personal Liberty
Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government.

1.1 Self-Ownership
Individuals own their bodies and have rights over them that other individuals, groups, and governments may not violate. Individuals have the freedom and responsibility to decide what they knowingly and voluntarily consume, and what risks they accept to their own health, finances, safety, or life.

To read the whole Libertarian platform it can be found here: Platform | Libertarian Party

[Forkbeard]

It's actually an interesting question. Democrats have traditionally been more hands-off when it comes to trying to enforce "morality" using the tools of government. But, and this is a huge potential problem for our industry, Hillary Clinton is an old-style first-wave feminist, stamped from the same "porn is rape" mold as Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon. Although I don't know whether Clinton has ever been openly hostile to porn, most of the people in her intellectual crowd consider it violent and hateful and oppressive to women. News about modern sex-positive feminism -- the kind that respects the agency and consent of porn stars and sex workers -- seems not to have reached feminists of Clinton's age. Thus, I think there's a real risk that President Hillary Clinton would use the power of the presidency to prosecute, silence, or just plain hassle the entire porn industry.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump claims to be a Republican, which is traditionally the party of implacable hostility to porn (and most sex outside the marriage bedroom) on moral and religious grounds. Some of these fuckers feel an active need to put pornographers into jail cells, and they are the kind of assholes to call it "ass-pounding prison" and think that the risk of prison rape is a benefit of our judicial process rather than one of its many defects.

But is Donald Trump himself that kind of fucker? Signs point to "no." He's not a conservative and wasn't even a Republican until he wanted to run. He's a New Yorker who has lived a live of sybaritic excess. If he doesn't enjoy porn himself, it's only because he's too busy and has plenty of accommodating women in his life. My gut sense is that Donald Trump doesn't give two shits about porn.

However, he's an opportunistic authoritarian without principles. If he spotted a way to blow up the entire porn industry and the only benefit to himself was a five-point bump in the polls or a pass from Congress on something he actually cares about, he'd blow up the porn industry in a heartbeat, because he doesn't give a shit. If making noise about putting pornographers in jail is a way to get a bunch of conservatives to vote for him, he'll make that noise and make sure some people go to jail. So that's always a risk.

Which one is worse? It's six-five and pick 'em if you ask me. Hillary's less likely to take any anti-porn initiative because her coalition is split on the question, with noisy modern sex-pos feminists who will defend porn from inside her tent. But she probably hates porn a lot harder than Donald.

[Hannes]

Trumpzilla for sure

[JamesAB]

Both of them are whores who will follow the money.
Either might "talk the talk" but neither give a rats ass about stopping the porn industry in the long run.
Where there is money, there is always influence...
Everyone left there morals at the door.

[Jigster715]

Have you seen Trump's Penthouse in NYC?
End of story.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Although I don't know whether Clinton has ever been openly hostile to porn,

She hasn't.

most of the people in her intellectual crowd consider it violent and hateful and oppressive to women.

Which speaks volumes about the kinds of niches they're clicking on.

News about modern sex-positive feminism -- the kind that respects the agency and consent of porn stars and sex workers -- seems not to have reached feminists of Clinton's age. Thus, I think there's a real risk that President Hillary Clinton would use the power of the presidency to prosecute, silence, or just plain hassle the entire porn industry.

Personally I think she'd have bigger fish to fry, as would The Donald should he somehow manage the win. Under Bill I felt there was actually less 'hassle' for us than there was under Bush. But screwing too much with the porn industry (pun intended) is a slippery slope that most politicians don't want to take on. It quickly becomes a civil rights issue, a freedom of expression issue, and of course the censorship of what millions of adults can or can not choose to view. It's a messy agenda that only the holiest of religious righties would take a serious run at.

Your "if it were to suit his/her agenda..." argument can really be said of any political candidate, about any social issue or industry out there. There are fights against certain types of porn that are winnable, at least in the sense that cracking down more draws higher ratings in the polls, but those types (kiddie porn, beastie, etc) deserve it and have no bearing on what we consider to be the actual industry. I always like to see those things cracked down on, personally, don't you?

However, he's an opportunistic authoritarian without principles.

Oh I want to vote for that guy!

Seriously I don't think I've ever seen Trump's character summed up so completely in so few words. Yet I and I assume millions of others still like the guy. I do. I've watched his show for years now, he's a lot of things and certainly exactly what you said yet he's also magnetic. Those who don't understand how he's getting votes and polling so well need to figure this out, and fast. Only 4 1/2 months until E day.

Which one is worse? It's six-five and pick 'em if you ask me. Hillary's less likely to take any anti-porn initiative because her coalition is split on the question, with noisy modern sex-pos feminists who will defend porn from inside her tent. But she probably hates porn a lot harder than Donald.

Summation correct. Although I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that more of these so-called 'moralistic' politicians secretly get off on one kind of porn or erotica than not, Hills included. She's an old 60's hippie, surely she hasn't totally forgotten her sexual revolutionistical roots.

I've long enjoyed many of your posts, btw.

Especially this one, with your inclusion of syb·a·rit·ic
ˌsibəˈritik/Submit
adjective
fond of sensuous luxury or pleasure; self-indulgent.
"their opulent and sybaritic lifestyle"
synonyms: luxurious, extravagant, lavish, self-indulgent, pleasure-seeking, sensual, voluptuous, hedonistic, epicurean, lotus-eating, libertine, debauched, decadent
"she regretted having left her homespun past for this sybaritic life with Lanzo"

Awesome. :D

[Hannes]

Trump old boi

[rayadp05]

I would have to say Trump.