Adult paysite - worth it anymore?

[vintageadult]

I feel like it's not even worth it to think about a membership based site anymore, Is there anything at all that can command a longer attention span and commitment on a month to month basis anymore??

There just seems like there's soooo much content for free. I feel like the train has left the station.

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

[Colmike9]

There's still plenty of money to be made with paysites and new videos. It's harder for the average affiliate to make sales these days, but still not too hard.

Example of how new content is better:
Go to a tube with millions of old videos. Then go to a tube/video site with less videos, but newer and higher quality like beeg.com. You won't want to go back and jerk off to that old tube.

You'll always still get the highest quality and full length videos from the paysite itself rather than the tubes, which are basically previews but these days a preview is 8+ minutes long on tubes..


You know what always sells great, though? Dating.

[NakedWomenTime]

Originally Posted by vintageadult

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

With the internet you can't control the content distribution of pics and videos. Once you've put them up, anyone can redistribute them. Relatively speaking, it's also easy to put photos up online, so when the money was there, it was like a rush which has flooded the internet. A lot of the revenue potential has moved to the live experience, i.e. cams.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by vintageadult

I feel like it's not even worth it to think about a membership based site anymore, Is there anything at all that can command a longer attention span and commitment on a month to month basis anymore??

There just seems like there's soooo much content for free. I feel like the train has left the station.

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

There's still (and will continue to be) tons of money to be made off of paysites.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by vintageadult

I feel like it's not even worth it to think about a membership based site anymore, Is there anything at all that can command a longer attention span and commitment on a month to month basis anymore??

There just seems like there's soooo much content for free. I feel like the train has left the station.

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

you need original niche content or the content your traffic wants. Same old story. There's plenty of people want to pay for access, just them finding you and you finding them

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

you need original niche content or the content your traffic wants. Same old story. There's plenty of people want to pay for access, just them finding you and you finding them

Well said.

That and there's also the fact that tube site navigation can be pretty rough. There's the highly compressed videos, the pop-ups, the pop-unders, etc.

A good paysite will have none of that. It will have the content the surfer wants in an easy to browse manner. The video/picture quality will be high and there should be zero ads for anything else that would distract him in making the purchase.

[gnawledge]

Originally Posted by vintageadult

I feel like it's not even worth it to think about a membership based site anymore, Is there anything at all that can command a longer attention span and commitment on a month to month basis anymore??

There just seems like there's soooo much content for free. I feel like the train has left the station.

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

>> I feel the same way. I bought a bunch of videos, scenes, pictures. Bought lifetime CMS, rented CMS for a month, and now venturing into Wordpress member sites. It's tough.. As you know we are competing against companies who are top grade.

I've changed my prices for memberships, and have driven tons of traffic to them. I don't do well. So, I just decided to redo them to see if it's just the models.

I look at some of these guys posting on here and look at their sites and they be simple to them... But, they have some damn good shit.

I concur on a lot of aforementioned mentioned things. I am tired of old crappy scenes from tube sites. Very boring.

[fuzebox]

If your cost X (content, traffic, affiliates, etc) is less than Y (total amount of revenue after rebills, xsales, one-clicks, etc), you win.

[LovinNothin]

People offering positive advice and telling you that "you can still make money in porn" are 100% completely self deluded.

1/4 of all adult males are on prescription medicine, anti-depress or opiods and don't even masturbate any more.

Millennials do not buy porn. They were raised with free porn.

Year after year as the market continues to die, here are the only adult sites that make any money:

1) Live Cam sites.

2) Dating sites. (Major one, not the low end, fake cookie cutter dating sites)

3) Adult products, (hard on pills, toys, clothing)

4) Traffic Brokers selling fake bot traffic. (still highly profitable because people are idiots buying fake stats and fake impressions in a 100% non regulated business)

As for that "monthly membership adult site" model, that is over. Yes, you can spend 1000's and 1000's and put up some original videos and get some members, but after most of your content is released in torrent sites and posted in tube sites your site will crash as well. It can be done, but not maintained. The days of buying a membership are over. Again, you will hear people boasting about their sites and sales, but give it time.

IF you don't believe me, ask any stranger on the street, in a bar, in the store, etc... ask him "hey, when was the last time you purchased porn online?" 10 out 10 people will laugh at you and say never. 1 out of 20 will say, I purchased porn once or twice, but that was 10 years ago.

Most of the people still left in adult are aging losers refusing to learn a new trade so they are clinging to the past and that rush they got when they would make 20 or 30 sales in one day, but now making a couple sales a day enough to keep them alive while subsidising their income with welfare, unemployment, their aging parents or a spouse that has a real job.

STOP TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY FREE.

Don't wind up like these losers. Learn a trade and earn a real living.

That concept shouldn't be hard to grasp.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by ZENRA

Well said.

That and there's also the fact that tube site navigation can be pretty rough. There's the highly compressed videos, the pop-ups, the pop-unders, etc.

A good paysite will have none of that. It will have the content the surfer wants in an easy to browse manner. The video/picture quality will be high and there should be zero ads for anything else that would distract him in making the purchase.

all of this. With no ads, the niche or model the person is looking for is much more appealing. The site runs smoother & the videos download better

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by anexsia

There's still (and will continue to be) tons of money to be made off of paysites.

Oh yes, party like it's 1999 people. Paysites aren't a shrinking industry, everything is fine!

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

Millennials do not buy porn. They were raised with free porn.

false.

Many guys like the fact to pay for porn, because it's like treating the girl. OK, this is more for solo models, where the guy can interact with the model, he can woo her, buy her items or at least his fan pass.

The same can be said for the right porn niche, the right porn content & the right traffic. There's always money going around the world for any business if you work hard, play hard & work hard

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

false.

Many guys like the fact to pay for porn, because it's like treating the girl. OK, this is more for solo models, where the guy can interact with the model, he can woo her, buy her items or at least his fan pass.

The same can be said for the right porn niche, the right porn content & the right traffic. There's always money going around the world for any business if you work hard, play hard & work hard

Hahaha. Those solo sites, one of the worst converting sites in history, are such money makers these days. I'm sure every solo site owner will agree with you, everything is fine.

[CurrentlySober]

i like poosites

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

There's still plenty of money to be made with paysites and new videos. It's harder for the average affiliate to make sales these days, but still not too hard.

Example of how new content is better:
Go to a tube with millions of old videos. Then go to a tube/video site with less videos, but newer and higher quality like beeg.com. You won't want to go back and jerk off to that old tube.

You'll always still get the highest quality and full length videos from the paysite itself rather than the tubes, which are basically previews but these days a preview is 8+ minutes long on tubes..


You know what always sells great, though? Dating.

the smart people have a downloader so that they never need to back to a tube once they've leached what they want onto their hard drive.

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

the smart people have a downloader so that they never need to back to a tube once they've leached what they want onto their hard drive.

No, "most people" do not download tube videos. Why would I want that shit on my hard drive when it's free on 1000 sites at any time? This isn't 2001.

[Tubevideditor]

Yes, there is no money in paysites.

Never bought traffic or advertising either.
Sure its not like it used to be but there is money to be made still.

[romeo22]

Dating sites

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Yes, there is no money in paysites.

Never bought traffic or advertising either.
Sure its not like it used to be but there is money to be made still.

Nobody said anything counter to this. Comprehension is important.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by JSWENSON

No, "most people" do not download tube videos. Why would I want that shit on my hard drive when it's free on 1000 sites at any time? This isn't 2001.

go to any forum (porn or otherwise) and you'll find tons of threads on "how do I save such and such video" and loads of replies on how to do it. it's an inescapable fact that most people are collectors and would prefer their collection on their drive rather than out of their control.

Oh and I never said "most people" in quotation marks or otherwise.

[JSWENSON]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

go to any forum (porn or otherwise) and you'll find tons of threads on "how do I save such and such video" and loads of replies on how to do it. it's an inescapable fact that most people are collectors and would prefer their collection on their drive rather than out of their control.

Yeah, finding 10 or 10,000 people that do X does not make X the popular choice you dunce. It is not a "fact", inescapable or otherwise, that most people download porn that they have no reason to. You are living in the wrong decade.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

People offering positive advice and telling you that "you can still make money in porn" are 100% completely self deluded.

1/4 of all adult males are on prescription medicine, anti-depress or opiods and don't even masturbate any more.

Millennials do not buy porn. They were raised with free porn.

Year after year as the market continues to die, here are the only adult sites that make any money:

1) Live Cam sites.

2) Dating sites. (Major one, not the low end, fake cookie cutter dating sites)

3) Adult products, (hard on pills, toys, clothing)

4) Traffic Brokers selling fake bot traffic. (still highly profitable because people are idiots buying fake stats and fake impressions in a 100% non regulated business)

As for that "monthly membership adult site" model, that is over. Yes, you can spend 1000's and 1000's and put up some original videos and get some members, but after most of your content is released in torrent sites and posted in tube sites your site will crash as well. It can be done, but not maintained. The days of buying a membership are over. Again, you will hear people boasting about their sites and sales, but give it time.

IF you don't believe me, ask any stranger on the street, in a bar, in the store, etc... ask him "hey, when was the last time you purchased porn online?" 10 out 10 people will laugh at you and say never. 1 out of 20 will say, I purchased porn once or twice, but that was 10 years ago.

Most of the people still left in adult are aging losers refusing to learn a new trade so they are clinging to the past and that rush they got when they would make 20 or 30 sales in one day, but now making a couple sales a day enough to keep them alive while subsidising their income with welfare, unemployment, their aging parents or a spouse that has a real job.

STOP TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY FREE.

Don't wind up like these losers. Learn a trade and earn a real living.

That concept shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Holy fuck you're an idiot.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Yeah, finding 10 or 10,000 people that do X does not make X the popular choice you dunce. It is not a "fact", inescapable or otherwise, that most people download porn that they have no reason to. You are living in the wrong decade.

I think the real dunce is the one who failed to actually understand what people type in their replies. I never said that it was a popular choice, I never said "most people", and I never said that most people download porn.

Fuck it, I called you a dunce back but in reality, you are way beyond that. No-one give JSWENSON chewing gum, the fuck-wit will forget to breath when he walks off.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Yes, there is no money in paysites.

Never bought traffic or advertising either.
Sure its not like it used to be but there is money to be made still.

Nice stats

Which program's this, or is that fragile information?

Originally Posted by rogueteens

the fuck-wit will forget to breath when he walks off.

I couldn't be bothered to reply to his post tbh

[Paul Markham]

A few sites still make decent money. Starting now, I advise you to work a year selling other's porn and learn how hard it is.

[The Porn Nerd]

I like donuts.

[hdbuilder]

If you know what you are doing I believe it is still worth it, some dudes here seems to have success with pay sites

[fuzebox]

Should we define what "decent money" and "worth it" mean?

[matuloo]

The market for adult paysites has shrinked and in a massive way, I guess this is clear to everybody. However, it is still here and making money for those who remained.

Manwin or mindgeek or whatever their name is now, isn't running brazzers network, nasty dollars etc ... for fun. Gamma didn't buy 21sexturycash last year cause they are charity. Xvideos guys didn't buy ddfcash this year because of their blue eyes either. There is still money to be made. Even tho I abandoned my review site, it is still making a few sales - DAILY.

But the conditions are very different. Many years ago, I somehow got my hands on a list of paysites that used ccbill for billing and believe it or not, the list was several 1000s sites long. Anyone with a camera could make an amateur site and make DECENT living. Just as it was very easy for an affiliate to start a free site and make a couple $100 or a grand with it, which was more than enough for someone in eastern europe or asia to live from.

Now both of this is gone, 1000s of paysites are gone and so are 1000s of small webmasters. But the paysite model is still generating revenue, just for less people than before.

It's definitely not easy to start a profitable paysite these days, I don't think we need to argue about this either.

[Nicky]

Great niche content will always sell in one way or the other.

[LovinNothin]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Yes, there is no money in paysites.

Never bought traffic or advertising either.
Sure its not like it used to be but there is money to be made still.

Dude, why did you post your annual stats from 2009 to 2010???

LOL

I love it when people post this utter fake shit to make themselves look good.

Get a life.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Great niche content will always sell in one way or the other.

Exactly, still a lot of money to be made in microniche sites.

[LovinNothin]

Originally Posted by Jel

Holy fuck you're an idiot.

Looks to me like your one of the idiots trying to sell something that is ALREADY FREE.

[gnawledge]

Even though every one in this business knows shits free, we still have the desire to create a pay site. Which doesn't really make us too stupid because in another breath we're called thieves and pondscum for wanting to create a tube site.

Some of these paysites I've been looking at look so good that it's hard not to pass on a subscription.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by gnawledge

>> I feel the same way. I bought a bunch of videos, scenes, pictures. Bought lifetime CMS, rented CMS for a month, and now venturing into Wordpress member sites. It's tough.. As you know we are competing against companies who are top grade.

I've changed my prices for memberships, and have driven tons of traffic to them. I don't do well. So, I just decided to redo them to see if it's just the models.

I look at some of these guys posting on here and look at their sites and they be simple to them... But, they have some damn good shit.

I concur on a lot of aforementioned mentioned things. I am tired of old crappy scenes from tube sites. Very boring.

If you post a URL I'll give you a list of actionable tips.

[Look Chang]

In fact, one survives... as long as it lasts...

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

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3) Adult products, (hard on pills, toys, clothing)

People selling these items are getting clobbered by Amazon who is undercutting prices and shipping for items for free with Prime.

Once amazon sees a distributor is doing well with an item, amazon starts to stock and sell it themselves in direct competition with prices that are so fluid I have seen them change no less than 3 times in a day.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by vintageadult

I feel like it's not even worth it to think about a membership based site anymore, Is there anything at all that can command a longer attention span and commitment on a month to month basis anymore??

There just seems like there's soooo much content for free. I feel like the train has left the station.

On that topic, WHY is there so much free stuff? Is it a loss leader to TRY to get people in the door? Are the only folks making money the one's taking the pictures/video?

Why is there so much free stuff??

Shitty content gets made by shitty webmasters gets recycled until you puke by watching it.
Good content gets stolen and uploaded to pirate tubes ( most are).
Nobody makes new and good content. It is the same old shit made mostly with "uglies". Just look around around here

You want to make money??

1) make a good and unique content with classy models.
2) protect it.
3) sell it as a VOD.

If it is any good, they will come and buy and you will be without the pressure of updating weekly and thus sliding the quality down to the toilet by having to make a volume of cheap shit.

[Adnium_Ivana]

Our Members Area publishers manage to make a lot of $$$ especially if they happen to be dating members sites so it's still worth it to invest in a Membership site rather than something like a free tube because while you'll convert, it won't be as much as you could be making with a Membership site

[C H R I S]

Originally Posted by Adnium_Ivana

Our Members Area publishers manage to make a lot of $$$ especially if they happen to be dating members sites so it's still worth it to invest in a Membership site rather than something like a free tube because while you'll convert, it won't be as much as you could be making with a Membership site

Totally different animal than the OP's thread topic.