Smart people always vote for Trump

[Ferus]

No point of denying it - he is smarter than you and he will win.

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

[TampaToker]

Foreign oil really? Illegal immigration i give you. Now on making America great again that all depends on who you ask....

[clickity click]

Forgive me my naivety but could you please explain his plans in simple terms:

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

I am just from the UK. I don't watch TV (or even have a TV). Everything I know about the world I learn from GFY and I hear a lot about this Trump character.
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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Trump's plan is to build a wall. Great, let's invest billions into building a wall - so they can go over it, under it, or around it. Building a wall isn't gong to stop anyone.

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Seems you haven't been paying attention. For the first time ever, the United States is now the largest oil producer in the world. Oil was $110 a barrel, now it's $40. The cost of gas when Obama took office was $4.50 / gallon, now it's $2.35 (here in California, which is more expensive than most other locations in the US).

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

When Obama took office, people were loosing their jobs and loosing their houses. Exactly half of the houses on my street were empty when Obama boy took office. Unemployment was at 11%. Now unemployment is at 5%.

Seems America is already great.

[clickity click]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Trump's plan is to build a wall. Great, let's invest billions into building a wall - so they can go over it, under it, or around it. Building a wall isn't gong to stop anyone.

It stopped some of them damn Germans.

[Tubthumper]

Trump's temporary Muslim ban is the best idea any politician has put on the table.

[L-Pink]

Why would a Muslim want to be exposed to our decant non-believer culture in the first place?

[Tubthumper]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why would a Muslim want to be exposed to our decant non-believer culture in the first place?

So they can build up all that rage and conquer us like they did the Sasanian Empire.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

Trump's temporary Muslim ban is the best idea any politician has put on the table.

Yes, except this would not happen even if he was elected. Same with the huge wall.
Of course he is still good option, at least to try and slow down illegal invaders both from the south and from "war zones" aka "refugee".

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

So they can build up all that rage and conquer us like they did the Sasanian Empire.

This time no guns will be used. Traitors invites them to conquer their lands. Fucking disgusting.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

So they can build up all that rage and conquer us like they did the Sasanian Empire.

I was being sarcastic about why a ban on Muslims shouldn't affect them in the first place.

[Tubthumper]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Yes, except this would not happen even if he was elected.

The law is on Trump's side if he wanted to do so.

Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

[TheSquealer]

I love that the same people who were overjoyed with the guy who said nothing more than "hope and change" are so eager to pick apart and dissect every single out of context thing a guy who doesn't use speech writers or a teleprompter and who above all things has a long track record of success, says. Obama served 1/2 a term as a senator that never even fucking voted. That was his "qualification" to run the worlds largest economy.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

What plan would that be? Make Mexicans pay for the wall?

[Tubthumper]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

What plan would that be? Make Mexicans pay for the wall?

Donald Trump Plans to Impound All Remittances to Mexico -- Would That Even Be Possible? | National Review Online

In the article the author lays out that 83% of illegals send money to Mexico. Using systems already set up to halt terrorism funding, these electronic payments can be identified and taxed at a rate of 45%. Once the wall is built this can be increased to 90%, or 100% depending on desired effect (total confiscation will likely result in total self deportation, while 90% simply discourages new entrants and a fair amount of self-deportation).

The revenue for this tax would be around 12 billion per year.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-...d-cost-us.html

CNBC estimates the highest of all estimates to be 25 billion. This would take roughly two years using only one method.

So that's it. Policy over. Not impossible, not even improbable. Fairly simple really.

Now we can go into alternatives for how Mexico would pay for the wall that can supplement transfer payment taxes.

A tarrif can be placed on all goods coming in from Mexico.

Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with Mexico

There was a 53 billion trade deficit with Mexico last year. A tarrif equating to a 10% penalty on that deficit would pay for the wall in 5 years.

Any rational country would respond harshly to a tarrif being implemented. In which case Trump would likely retaliate harder. Mexico relies on the US for 71% of it's exports. America has the power in the relationship and an export ban would annihilate the economy, and cause an immigration flood that would prove the need for a wall.

That's not the ideal situation. It's chaos. And Mexico has leaders that aren't stupid so it would never get to that point. Mexico will pay for the wall because 25 billion is nothing compared to the yearly 270 billion it exports. A 1% Mexican tax would be able to be retired in 10 years.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why would a Muslim want to be exposed to our decant non-believer culture in the first place?

Why does cancer kill the host?

By doing so it kills its own home (effectively committing suicide) but that is its only function.

Mindless destruction and death = The "religion" called Islam

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by clickity click

It stopped some of them damn Germans.

They built a wall around a single city and people still got through.

[bronco67]

He's selling to morons his simplistic, non-solutions for non-existent problems, and they're all eating it up and asking for seconds. For the giant scam he's pulling, I will give him some credit.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Tubthumper

[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422744/could-president-trump-really-impound-all-immigrant-payments-mexico-jim-geraghty] these electronic payments can be identified and taxed at a rate of 45%. Once the wall is built this can be increased to 90%, or 100% depending on desired effect (total confiscation will likely result in total self deportation, while 90% simply discourages new entrants and a fair amount of self-deportation).

Without court order this violates privacy of its clients. Its impossible to identify "sending money to family" of illegal migrant vs legal. Utopian idea and everyone including Trump knows it.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He's selling to morons his simplistic, non-solutions for non-existent problems, and they're all eating it up and asking for seconds. For the giant scam he's pulling, I will give him some credit.

he wants "presidential runner-up" in his resume. Trump knows he will not win this election.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

he wants "presidential runner-up" in his resume. Trump knows he will not win this election.

It's all ego masturbation.

[dillfly2000]

Almost seems like he's trying to prove a point.

[Ferus]

I called it... 6 months ago...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Ferus

I called it... 6 months ago...

Called what? Trump trainwreck

[flashfire]

Originally Posted by Ferus

No point of denying it - he is smarter than you and he will win.

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

nice engrish

[Rochard]

LOL. (OMG!)

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

That is not true. Illegal immigration peaked under President Bush.

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Wow, someone hasn't been reading the news. In the past five years, the United States has become one of the largest producers of oil in the world. Our dependence on foreign oil has been reduced to it's lowest levels ever. The cost of gas has also dropped big time.

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

He did have a plan. Our country was on the path to financial destruction when Obama took office. The recession we had was the worst we have had in my life time. People were loosing their jobs and their homes. Exactly half of the houses on my street were vacant because people couldn't pay their mortgages.

Our unemployment rate is 4.9%. That's less than half of what it was at the peak of unemployment. You think Trump who clearly has no understanding of how government or politics works can do as good as that? LOL. Think again.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by flashfire

nice engrish

English is my 3rd language... Zero fucks given

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Rochard

LOL. (OMG!)



That is not true. Illegal immigration peaked under President Bush.





Wow, someone hasn't been reading the news. In the past five years, the United States has become one of the largest producers of oil in the world. Our dependence on foreign oil has been reduced to it's lowest levels ever. The cost of gas has also dropped big time.



He did have a plan. Our country was on the path to financial destruction when Obama took office. The recession we had was the worst we have had in my life time. People were loosing their jobs and their homes. Exactly half of the houses on my street were vacant because people couldn't pay their mortgages.

Our unemployment rate is 4.9%. That's less than half of what it was at the peak of unemployment. You think Trump who clearly has no understanding of how government or politics works can do as good as that? LOL. Think again.

Old placebo shellshock farts like you make it easy being a part-time troll

[MaDalton]

Smart people know it's has not have

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I love that the same people who were overjoyed with the guy who said nothing more than "hope and change" are so eager to pick apart and dissect every single out of context thing a guy who doesn't use speech writers or a teleprompter and who above all things has a long track record of success, says. Obama served 1/2 a term as a senator that never even fucking voted. That was his "qualification" to run the worlds largest economy.

sure, but what does that have to do with trump's run for office? If anything he is hurting the gop's overall chances of getting in and if by some miracle he does get voted in he will be strongly opposed on any radical idea he has just the same as obama was.

I still think if the gop finds another front runner both the gop and your country would be better off because hillary is beatable with a candidate that isnt' merely a media wizard--which btw is not working out so well for him right now.

[C H R I S]

What are the plans? All I've seen is slogans

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

sure, but what does that have to do with trump's run for office? If anything he is hurting the gop's overall chances of getting in and if by some miracle he does get voted in he will be strongly opposed on any radical idea he has just the same as obama was.

I still think if the gop finds another front runner both the gop and your country would be better off because hillary is beatable with a candidate that isnt' merely a media wizard--which btw is not working out so well for him right now.

woeful ignorance. woeful.

whats not working out for him? the liberal media, which has abandoned any modicum of fairness & perceived neutrality, is calling him hitler hitler hitler for 12 months now. why are you judging trump on how a hateful cop murdering liberal media covers him? why do you even propose the GOP change candidates when they have no means to do such a thing, how ignorant is that?

just suck on it when trump wins. you will be the last guy to figure it out, along with rachel maddow.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

woeful ignorance. woeful.

whats not working out for him? the liberal media, which has abandoned any modicum of fairness & perceived neutrality, is calling him hitler hitler hitler for 12 months now. why are you judging trump on how a hateful cop murdering liberal media covers him? why do you even propose the GOP change candidates when they have no means to do such a thing, how ignorant is that?

just suck on it when trump wins. you will be the last guy to figure it out, along with rachel maddow.

nah, i'm tired of talking to your fake nick man. it has just given you an excuse to go full schizo on here. Whether you are merely trolling or you actually believe this unintelligible nonsense you keep repeating endlessly it is not healthy. Go get some help man, seriously.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Ferus

No point of denying it - he is smarter than you and he will win.

He have a plan for illegal immigrants - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil - Obama had 8 years but did nothing
He have a plan for making America Great Again - Obama had 8 years but did nothing

He have a plan!!!!! This is the level of the education of Trump voters.

I have a plan for all those things doesn't mean they will work.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

woeful ignorance. woeful.

whats not working out for him?

His mouth, brain, lies, knowledge, plans, business dealings, court cases, fan base, and the media reporting the truth about him. Tell us where the media needs to lie with him supplying so much evidence he's screwing up.

[Coup]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He have a plan!!!!! This is the level of the education of Trump voters.

I have a plan for all those things doesn't mean they will work.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

His mouth, brain, lies, knowledge, plans, business dealings, court cases, fan base, and the media reporting the truth about him. Tell us where the media needs to lie with him supplying so much evidence he's screwing up.

Nice meltdown

[poncabare]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He's selling to morons his simplistic, non-solutions for non-existent problems, and they're all eating it up and asking for seconds. For the giant scam he's pulling, I will give him some credit.

Illegal immigration is non existing problem? ok bra

[poncabare]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I love that the same people who were overjoyed with the guy who said nothing more than "hope and change" are so eager to pick apart and dissect every single out of context thing a guy who doesn't use speech writers or a teleprompter and who above all things has a long track record of success, says. Obama served 1/2 a term as a senator that never even fucking voted. That was his "qualification" to run the worlds largest economy.

So spot on...

[tony286]

NCLR head: Obama 'deporter-in-chief' - POLITICO

By April, Obama will have overseen more than 2 million deportations, activists say, far more than any previous president.

Read more: NCLR head: Obama 'deporter-in-chief' - POLITICO
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Oh facts are inconvenient.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by flashfire

nice engrish

yep... classy

[Paul Markham]

His Wall idea only appeals to building companies and morons. Proven method of slowing down migration is to remove the benefits of migrating.

Obama care. Taking that apart will hit his voters, they're the people who need healthcare they can afford. The reason you're ass raped over medical care is the insurance companies and costs.

Stopping imports from the Third World. Should he even stop the rise in imports, again it's his voters who will be hit the hardest. The price of goods in US shops will rise. Should he manage to start getting jobs back to the US, prices will climb fast.

Spending on the military he won't use. Where's the money coming from?

Cutting taxes = cutting jobs and people going on benefits. Cheaper but devastating to places those government employees rely on to shop and spend money. Could be your customers.

Everyone knows Clinton is no Saint. But a crooked man telling a crooked story about a crooked girl. Doesn't hide the facts. He wants to lose the election because he knows he's in over his head. This was an ego trip that went horribly wrong for him.

As for his successes. Being successful doesn't mean someone can step out of my comfort zone and up to 10 levels.

Can a market stall owner run Macy's?

[Coup]

Dis is me IRL reading this thread

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Ferus

No point of denying it - he is smarter than you

No, he's not. He's had a year to say 1 smart thing and he still hasn't.

Originally Posted by Ferus

and he will win.

No, he won't.

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for illegal immigrants

No, he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Ferus

- Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Yes he did. "Following a trend initiated by Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, the Obama administration has added more border patrol agents, fencing and detection technology to prevent border crossings." The Obameter: Secure the borders | PolitiFact

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for the US dependence on foreign oil

No, he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Ferus

- Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Let's see: Drilling is way up in the US, and so is Fracking. Oh and lets not forget all the new green energy sources too, and green energy incentives. All of these have occurred in the past 8 years.

Originally Posted by Ferus

He have a plan for making America Great Again

A slogan on a cap is not a plan.

Originally Posted by Ferus

- Obama had 8 years but did nothing

Nothing at all, except :

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America?s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide ?living wills? to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers? money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.



8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country?s largest banks via ?stress tests? of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their ?toxic? assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed ?Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell?: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi?s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator?s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain ?enhanced? interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America?s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of ?soft power?) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

etc, etc... you can read more at Washington Monthly | Obamaâ??s Top 50 Accomplishments

[Paul Markham]

I'm sure Trump is smarter than he acts while campaigning. He has to be to put his pants on.

He's determined to lose the election and look at what a great job he's doing.

Using the word crooked over and over again can only remind people of his impending trial because he's crooked.

[Coup]

Jeb is a mess!

[romeo22]

I like some Trump statements but some dont

[Relic]

Originally Posted by **********

no, he won't.

[Ferus]

Great to be a troll and to be right at the time.... Burn!!!