vinyl sales hit 25-year high !

[notinmybackyard]

Record sales: vinyl hits 25-year high

LP sales up by 53% on 2015 after deaths of many music greats throughout the year and a trend for returning to ?tangible music?

Sales of vinyl in 2016 reached a 25-year high as consumers young and old have once again embraced physical formats of music.

More than 3.2m LPs were sold last year, a rise of 53% on last year and the highest number since 1991 when Simply Red?s Stars was the bestselling album. This was also the first year that spending on vinyl outstripped that spent on digital downloads.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...rips-streaming

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I've always believed that if you give the consumer quality they'll buy. I proposed that DVDs be packaged with such mementos as a booklet of the shoot, a membership card to a fan club, etc. People can call me a luddite but I still sell a handful of super 8 films each year.

[Barry-xlovecam]

And you have to be a collector or a dinosaur fuck with a turntable.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

And you have to be a collector or a dinosaur fuck with a turntable.

Turntables don't get a virus when it plays a song.

[BlackCrayon]

i buy records and have a turntable but typically will only buy what was originally released on vinyl.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

dinosaur fuck with a turntable.

Why don't you stop being a stupid fuck and start figuring out how you can make some money from this trend.

Current trends show that consumers are increasingly looking for physical media again. Anyone that's been around since before the digital revolution will be able to tell you that can make serious fuck loads more money with a physical goods based business model than a digital one.

Even Canadian Tire is selling turntables these days. Maybe some of the more intelligent people in this industry can brainstorm ideas on how we can cash in on this new trend? Afterall this is supposed to be a business forum not the Trump conspiracy facebook group.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Why don't you stop being a stupid fuck and start figuring out how you can make some money from this trend.

Current trends show that consumers are increasingly looking for physical media again. Anyone that's been around since before the digital revolution will be able to tell you that can make serious fuck loads more money with a physical goods based business model than a digital one.

Even Canadian Tire is selling turntables these days. Maybe some of the more intelligent people in this industry can brainstorm ideas on how we can cash in on this new trend? Afterall this is supposed to be a business forum not the Trump conspiracy facebook group.

Click -- Useless fucking old man

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Why don't you stop being a stupid fuck and start figuring out how you can make some money from this trend.

I already did - and I can tell you that electronics companies selling turntables are making a killing with the 18-28 age demographic.

Plus I just happened to own a bunch of vintage LPs - a whole bunch

[Rochard]

It's now become "trendy" to go old school.

I'll stick with Apple Music and my iPod.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Click -- Useless fucking old man

The year 2005 called for you...

They want their troll back.

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[bns666]

those are all paid articles to pump the sales of vinyl since records are not easy to copy like cds or digital downloads.

[kane]

Back in the day when I bought storage units I would often find records in them. Most people just threw them out and didn't bother. While some are worthless, others can be pretty valuable and even if they are only worth $3-$5 each, when you have a couple hundred of them it can add up quickly.

At the time I thought about starting a business just buying and selling old vinyl, but I never did follow through with it.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bns666

those are all paid articles to pump the sales of vinyl since records are not easy to copy like cds or digital downloads.

It's very easy to play the vinyl while connected to a recording device.
The turntable actually has "jacks" on the back labeled "aux out".

[bns666]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

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It's very easy to play the vinyl while connected to a recording device.
The turntable actually has "jacks" on the back labeled "aux out".

not as easy as copying mp3 or cd in full quality for regular people.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bns666

not as easy as copying mp3 or cd in full quality for regular people.

Get real, this is how everybody made cassette tapes to play in their car.

[bns666]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Get real, this is how everybody made cassette tapes to play in their car.

not in 2017.

i know for a fact that those articles are paid for to pump vinyl sales.

nothing against vinyl, got a decent collection myself too.

[ErectMedia]

Damn Hipsters

[pimpmaster9000]

Vinyl has better sound it is better than CD and most DVD...Audiophiles like vinyl for the superior detail...To get this from digital media is not easy...High end turntables are in the tens of thousands of dollars...

[Robbie]

I have a turntable downstairs hooked up to my home theater system.
It sounds great.

We've bought a few vinyl records over the past 3 or 4 years. Kinda fun to take an album out of it's sleeve, put it on the turntable and drop the needle.

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Vinyl has better sound it is better than CD and most DVD...Audiophiles like vinyl for the superior detail...To get this from digital media is not easy...High end turntables are in the tens of thousands of dollars...

I've listened to Vinyl on high end equipment and dig it. Have seen quite a few articles that always quote the same positive/negatives...

Does vinyl really sound better? An engineer explains | OregonLive.com

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Vinyl has better sound

No, it doesn't.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

it is better than CD and most DVD

No, it's not.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

...Audiophiles like vinyl for the superior detail..

Vinyl has less detail than CD, not more.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

.To get this from digital media is not easy...High end turntables are in the tens of thousands of dollars...

CD's and Digital music, sounds better than Vinyl.

Some people PREFER the sound of Vinyl, using expressions like "It has a warmer sound", etc. but Vinyl does not, can not, sound better.

Vinyl introduces unwanted artifacts, such as scratches, into the music. The grooves in the record makes the stylus vibrate which becomes sound, but dust, imperfections wobble and poor tracking make the stylus vibrate too, which is translated into unintended sound, or an artifact.

Digital music has no moving parts. No dust, no scratches, no unintended warbles and no artifacts caused by any moving or friction-generating parts.

Try this experiment. Take a quiet song in digital, and crank the volume. If your amp is decent and has a wide dynamic range, you should hear little to no hiss during quiet parts of the song, or at points when there is no music at all. Now try the same thing with an Album. The noise and rumbling you hear is that of the friction scraping itself across the vinyl. The vibration of your speakers may also be picked up by the needle too, creating feedback.

In addition to this, the sound quality of an album gets worse, the closer the stylus gets to the center. If you ever wondered why "Double Albums" were made, it is for this reason. Yes they could pack alot of songs onto a single album but artists and producers would hate the fact that the sound quality of great songs near the center of the album would sound terrible. A double-album taking up more space helped reduce this.

I totally get why some people like Vinyl. What could be better than throwing on an old Pink Floyd Album on to a turntable, listening to Roger Waters and APPRECIATING the technology of the time while smoking a doob? There is a definite, romantic, memory-tickling thing to it, and personally I am thinking about picking up a turntable myself (Audio Technica probably) just to do it.

If you still want a turntable (like me), don't by any of the garbage ones you see at record stores, or Walmart, etc, or any with a USB port. They are made for suckers eating too much memberberries. Instead, go to a real electronics store (Like Addisons in Montreal), and look for a real turbtable. Don't go nuts on money. $150 - $350 or so will get you something really nice that you will like.

One like this



is under $500, and has fine tuning for things like speed, stylus pressure, etc, and has decent isolators to reduce vibration transfer from the floor to the stylus.

Happy spinning!

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, it doesn't

Yes it does

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, it's not.

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Vinyl has less detail than CD, not more.

Vinyl has a sound that's closer to the way the human ear hears.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

CD's and Digital music, sounds better than Vinyl.

No they don't.


I have an obsession for antiques and part of my collection is a gramophone with wood base and brass horn. It's a musical instrument unto itself and the sound is just absolute heaven, nothing electronic comes even close including vinyl records of the last 30 years.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, it doesn't.



No, it's not.



Vinyl has less detail than CD, not more.

I don't think you understand what digital sampling is or how it works.

Analog records the entire sound wave where as digital records portions of the wave and then interpolates those values to attempt to reproduce the original sound wave.

Simply put : digital gives you the approximate sound wave while analog gives you the exact sound wave.

Digital recordings have to apply "over sampling" or they sound like crap.
Over sampling will remove "noise".

Believing that you can remove "noise" from a analog sound wave without removing sound is silly and only propaganda spewed by sellers of such technology.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Damn Hipsters

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's now become "trendy" to go old school.

OP: so how do you propose to profit?
Get up affiliate links for vinyl records? Turntables?
Sell on ebay?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's now become "trendy" to go old school.

I'll stick with Apple Music and my iPod.

I think .mp3's sound pretty damn good.

But keep in mind that music on your Ipod is in a digital compressed format to make a small file.

CD's and .wav files are digital uncompressed. Vinyl, meanwhile, is analog and just has a sweetness all of it's own.

That's why true audiophiles have super expensive turntables with pre-amp and tube power amp set ups going into real "old school" speaker designs.

Sometimes it's hard to beat "real".

Like with my guitar rig...I use a Helix processor. It uses amp models to emulate classic tube guitar amps and impulse responses to mimic guitar speakers and enclosures.
Sounds damn good.

But when I plug straight into my real Bogner tube head and 4 x 12 guitar cabinet...you instantly know the difference.

But the Helix comes damn close...just a lot easier to tuck under my arm and go to a gig as opposed to loading my amp head and 4 x12 cab into the back of a trailer. lol

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

OP: so how do you propose to profit?
Get up affiliate links for vinyl records? Turntables?
Sell on ebay?

This isn't just about records and turntables. It's about the consumer increasingly wanting a true physical product to actually hold and collect.

I checked my books and last year I sold 21 super 8mm films at apx. $100 and I also sold one man a broken projector for $50 bucks. (I've got boxes of old stuff in my garage)

I still have all the old equipment and it wouldn't be difficult for me to shoot a roll of super 8mm. If I filmed today's girls on vintage medium it would probably be very popular "niche." My only problem would be finding a place to buy film.

[Paul Markham]

How are music downloads doing?

[bns666]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How are music downloads doing?

better than anything else

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, it doesn't.



No, it's not.



Vinyl has less detail than CD, not more.




CD's and Digital music, sounds better than Vinyl.

Some people PREFER the sound of Vinyl, using expressions like "It has a warmer sound", etc. but Vinyl does not, can not, sound better.

Vinyl introduces unwanted artifacts, such as scratches, into the music. The grooves in the record makes the stylus vibrate which becomes sound, but dust, imperfections wobble and poor tracking make the stylus vibrate too, which is translated into unintended sound, or an artifact.

Digital music has no moving parts. No dust, no scratches, no unintended warbles and no artifacts caused by any moving or friction-generating parts.

Try this experiment. Take a quiet song in digital, and crank the volume. If your amp is decent and has a wide dynamic range, you should hear little to no hiss during quiet parts of the song, or at points when there is no music at all. Now try the same thing with an Album. The noise and rumbling you hear is that of the friction scraping itself across the vinyl. The vibration of your speakers may also be picked up by the needle too, creating feedback.

In addition to this, the sound quality of an album gets worse, the closer the stylus gets to the center. If you ever wondered why "Double Albums" were made, it is for this reason. Yes they could pack alot of songs onto a single album but artists and producers would hate the fact that the sound quality of great songs near the center of the album would sound terrible. A double-album taking up more space helped reduce this.

I totally get why some people like Vinyl. What could be better than throwing on an old Pink Floyd Album on to a turntable, listening to Roger Waters and APPRECIATING the technology of the time while smoking a doob? There is a definite, romantic, memory-tickling thing to it, and personally I am thinking about picking up a turntable myself (Audio Technica probably) just to do it.

If you still want a turntable (like me), don't by any of the garbage ones you see at record stores, or Walmart, etc, or any with a USB port. They are made for suckers eating too much memberberries. Instead, go to a real electronics store (Like Addisons in Montreal), and look for a real turbtable. Don't go nuts on money. $150 - $350 or so will get you something really nice that you will like.

One like this



is under $500, and has fine tuning for things like speed, stylus pressure, etc, and has decent isolators to reduce vibration transfer from the floor to the stylus.

Happy spinning!

this graph explains it best:



a digital signal is just an "approximate snapshot" of the analog signal at any point in time...the fine detail of the music is lost with conversion...OK it depends on the source of the audio as well and every component in the system, but a good vinyl setup will beat a good digital setup any day...now if you have a $20-30K digital system this does not apply...the DAC in such a system would rip ass and sound great...but you can get a very good vinyl setup in the 5K region or even less if you shop second hand...both have their advantages and drawbacks, I use a DAC myself because I do not give a shit to spend on high end audio, but go in to any hifi showroom and ask for a demo of a 50-100K vinyl system and you will shit...

fun fact: the human ear is so sensitive that the membrane moves a total distance that is smaller than the width of a hydrogen atom...some claim it is 1/10th of the distance of a hydrogen atom...if it was any more sensitive we would hear the oxygen molecules bouncing off of our membranes...

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

OP: so how do you propose to profit?
Get up affiliate links for vinyl records? Turntables?
Sell on ebay?

There are many vinyl boards out there that also run auctions - as well as ebay...actually a lot of people are sifting through ebay and picking up the $1.00 LPs and flipping them ...or even better...go to garage sales and pick up boxes of them for next to nothing and flip them on ebay...make sure you use a pricing site to get the real value

You can find old classical records that net $20...and if there in better than destroyed shape will sell easily...don't forget to make the buyer pay shipping - the UK is one of the biggest markets right now

[rowan]

One advantage of vinyl (and also older CDs) is that the sound isn't mastered to be as loud and overcompressed as possible. A couple of albums (on CD) I've purchased in the last few years are so excessive that you can hear distortion at certain points. I thought it was Windows 8's sound at first, but it also happens on my car and home CD player.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No, it doesn't.



No, it's not.



Vinyl has less detail than CD, not more.




CD's and Digital music, sounds better than Vinyl.

Some people PREFER the sound of Vinyl, using expressions like "It has a warmer sound", etc. but Vinyl does not, can not, sound better.

Vinyl introduces unwanted artifacts, such as scratches, into the music. The grooves in the record makes the stylus vibrate which becomes sound, but dust, imperfections wobble and poor tracking make the stylus vibrate too, which is translated into unintended sound, or an artifact.

Digital music has no moving parts. No dust, no scratches, no unintended warbles and no artifacts caused by any moving or friction-generating parts.

Try this experiment. Take a quiet song in digital, and crank the volume. If your amp is decent and has a wide dynamic range, you should hear little to no hiss during quiet parts of the song, or at points when there is no music at all. Now try the same thing with an Album. The noise and rumbling you hear is that of the friction scraping itself across the vinyl. The vibration of your speakers may also be picked up by the needle too, creating feedback.

In addition to this, the sound quality of an album gets worse, the closer the stylus gets to the center. If you ever wondered why "Double Albums" were made, it is for this reason. Yes they could pack alot of songs onto a single album but artists and producers would hate the fact that the sound quality of great songs near the center of the album would sound terrible. A double-album taking up more space helped reduce this.

I totally get why some people like Vinyl. What could be better than throwing on an old Pink Floyd Album on to a turntable, listening to Roger Waters and APPRECIATING the technology of the time while smoking a doob? There is a definite, romantic, memory-tickling thing to it, and personally I am thinking about picking up a turntable myself (Audio Technica probably) just to do it.

If you still want a turntable (like me), don't by any of the garbage ones you see at record stores, or Walmart, etc, or any with a USB port. They are made for suckers eating too much memberberries. Instead, go to a real electronics store (Like Addisons in Montreal), and look for a real turbtable. Don't go nuts on money. $150 - $350 or so will get you something really nice that you will like.

One like this



is under $500, and has fine tuning for things like speed, stylus pressure, etc, and has decent isolators to reduce vibration transfer from the floor to the stylus.

Happy spinning!

i picked up an old technics turntable for 50 bucks off kijiji. better build quality than what is being sold today and all i had to do was buy a new cartridge.

the audio technica turntable you posted is a decent machine, main problem being however, aside from being mass produced in china is the built in pre amp makes the output sound "muddy". also, its full manual, meaning at the end of the record, it just keeps spinning instead of stopping and the arm returning.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by Robbie

...and tube power amp set ups going into real "old school" speaker designs.

I'm a real big fan of McIntosh Labs tube amps / preamps . I bought mine several years ago, along with a set of Klipsch Klipschorn floor speakers. Certainly, the combo was not cheap (I paid well over 20K for it 6 or 7 years ago). With good gear, you don't need to turn it up louder to get a full rich sound. You have the ability to do so, of course, but you don't need to because it's engineered so damn well and can deliver rich bass, sonic highs and lows, and that full sound, even at very low volumes. I personally think when you are dealing with higher end gear, the analog LP sound is vastly superior, and even moreso when delivered through tube amps.

Ultimately, its just a personal preference. Some folks like the convenience and the sound of digital. others, like myself, like that warm, rich, analog sound pumped through tube amps.

In general, I think tube amps are incredibly superior to digital amps. Ask any guitar legend if they prefer digital processing or a tube amp and you'll quickly find out that there's a big reason why tube amps still exist.

ETA, beyond the Klipsch Klipschorn, I'm also quite a fan of the B&W series of speakers. Real nice sound.

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i picked up an old technics turntable for 50 bucks off kijiji. better build quality than what is being sold today and all i had to do was buy a new cartridge.

the audio technica turntable you posted is a decent machine, main problem being however, aside from being mass produced in china is the built in pre amp makes the output sound "muddy". also, its full manual, meaning at the end of the record, it just keeps spinning instead of stopping and the arm returning.

There used to be gadgets you could put on your turntable that would solve that problem, don't know if they still exist.

But if you want a decent vinyl set up you need to be looking at Linn, Rega, Roksan, not Audio technica.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

This isn't just about records and turntables. It's about the consumer increasingly wanting a true physical product to actually hold and collect.

I checked my books and last year I sold 21 super 8mm films at apx. $100 and I also sold one man a broken projector for $50 bucks. (I've got boxes of old stuff in my garage)

I still have all the old equipment and it wouldn't be difficult for me to shoot a roll of super 8mm. If I filmed today's girls on vintage medium it would probably be very popular "niche." My only problem would be finding a place to buy film.

Sex toy products are up as well. Tangible is back.

Nothing like Barry White on vinyl, a bottle of red and riding a wet pussy Japanese girl wearing something sexy I picked up for her through my shop to hit that mellow 'gasm late at night.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I've listened to Vinyl on high end equipment and dig it. Have seen quite a few articles that always quote the same positive/negatives...

Does vinyl really sound better? An engineer explains | OregonLive.com

Love that warm analog sound and a nice bong hit.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Jigster715

Sex toy products are up as well. Tangible is back.
.

Tangible is back but it's not what it once was. However consumer trends show that it's growing.

One of the things I've always made money with is the left over junk from a porn set. IE: Terri Weigel's panties or the dildo she used in the video. I would put together a "collector's package with the VHS/DVD" and blow it out of a few hundred. The problem is that these things are one off's and I've never been able to figure out how to do 600 pieces.

If I could figure out how to assemble 600 dvds each with a dildo that that was actually in the crotch of some porn chick in the video. Well... it would be serious money. But the problem is I can only think of hiring some girl to sit on camera and do the dildo dunk-it-and-bag-it routine.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

There used to be gadgets you could put on your turntable that would solve that problem, don't know if they still exist.

But if you want a decent vinyl set up you need to be looking at Linn, Rega, Roksan, not Audio technica.

yeah, i was looking into rega and pro-ject before deciding to go the used route. i didn't like that they are belt driven though, i prefer direct drive.