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Old 04-11-2003, 11:14 PM   #1
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You think america supplied iraq's arms? Think again...

I just found this guy's site...interesting shit...

http://www.belowstreetlevel.com/

Here's the article I read...

http://www.belowstreetlevel.com/moraleqsf.html

Check out the link named... "Russia supplied 57%, France 13%, and China 12%"
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:18 PM   #2
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I am pretty sure we all knew they were using Russian technology. All their tanks, all their guns, and most of their aircraft. No secret, but nice try I guess.

We gave him chemical and biological weapons. But you left that part out. Imagine that.
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:22 PM   #3
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All countries sell arms to whoever they can as long as they are not in direct conflict with them, thinking any one particular country is better than any other because you happen to live there is naive.
People only talked about how america sold them arms because it was america that was doing the invading, if the french were going into Iraq, people would have been talking about how the french sold them the white flags the iraqis would have used against them
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:24 PM   #4
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I bet the Iraqi's bought those nightvision goggles CNN was talking about on the 'net.. I've been meaning to get a pair - they're freaking everywhere - "Russian 1.5 generation IR"
bless those ruski fucks.
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:31 PM   #5
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I am pretty sure we all knew they were using Russian technology. All their tanks, all their guns, and most of their aircraft. No secret, but nice try I guess.

We gave him chemical and biological weapons. But you left that part out. Imagine that.
America did not sell any chemical nor biological weapons to any country. Some US companies sold some dual-use material that can be used to produce chemical or biological weapons to iraq, but they were all stopped once the US goverment was awared of that.
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:31 PM   #6
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I am pretty sure we all knew they were using Russian technology. All their tanks, all their guns, and most of their aircraft. No secret, but nice try I guess.

We gave him chemical and biological weapons. But you left that part out. Imagine that.

The United States did not give Saddam any chemical or biological weapons. Rather, he was given chemicals and pesticides under an agricultural aid program that he later used to derive weapons with. It isn't necessarily a large step to put two and two together, but let's not forget that the U.S. was able to do this without any criticism from the international community, who now can't accept the current action. Further, it's debatable as to whether or not the U.S. supplied the technology to extract biological or chemical weapon use from these supplies. Many other countries were complicit in this regard, including our friends the French, who actually built a nuclear reactor in Iraq (under the venerable Jacques Chirac), but, nice try, I guess....
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:31 PM   #7
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:40 PM   #8
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America did not sell any chemical nor biological weapons to any country. Some US companies sold some dual-use material that can be used to produce chemical or biological weapons to iraq, but they were all stopped once the US goverment was awared of that.
Dual use anthrax spores.. they use it as a food additive over there. ya. right. I like how you are seperating US companies from the government. The US government contracts all production out to US companies. When the US government sold arms to the Afghans you could use that excuse too- it wasn't the CIA no no, it was Lockheed Martin - they made the Stinger missles, but somehow it's different with bio-weapons. It's just semantic subterfuge.
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:44 PM   #9
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Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.


As if it even needed to be posted. You two are both idiots of the highest calibre. I almost fail to believe that anyone is seriously that ignorant of the facts. Turn off Fox and pick up a fucking book.
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Old 04-11-2003, 11:46 PM   #10
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Arms is the biggest industry in the world - 800billion compared to 400billion in drugs.. Only difference is arms are legal and provide a lot of taxable revenue for governments, which is why they like to help sell them.. us aussies need to get a bigger part of this action!

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Old 04-12-2003, 12:12 AM   #11
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As if it even needed to be posted. You two are both idiots of the highest calibre. I almost fail to believe that anyone is seriously that ignorant of the facts. Turn off Fox and pick up a fucking book. [/B]


Thank you for your link. Very compelling, however you're receiving your information unquestioningly from a biased news source without bothering to find out where the authority for their claims originates. Whether or not it's fox, or the Sunday Herald, you are not getting to the root facts, but relying on the filtering of the UK equivalent of the Fox news network. Biased and sensational to a target audience. For the sake of argument, let's concede that what you've cited is correct. The consequence of the use of chemical and biological weapons relative to the use of conventional weapons places the states that equipped Iraq with conventional weapons at the helm of responsibility for Saddam's power and destruction. If you need reminding, many, many more Iraqis, Iranians and Kurds have suffered at the end of a barrel than through chemical and biological attacks.
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Old 04-12-2003, 12:20 AM   #12
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I thought we were all supposed to be more cynical these days..
I EXPECT bad shit to be done in my name, It's weird, people call politicians lying greedy bastards, but when it comes to things they do as a country it's somehow different. It doesn't make any country that sells restricted arms a bad country - it just makes the politicians doing it assholes, but nationalism seems to make people feel personally slighted by someone saying an obvious truth. All our governments do horrible things sometimes... everyone should chill out.
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Old 04-12-2003, 01:00 AM   #13
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Hey I just had a bit of Crown Royal and I figured I start some peepee, which I don't do often, much love to labret for the debate.
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Old 04-12-2003, 01:17 AM   #14
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ahaha that was a debate? I get indignant, post a link, and then call you names. Nah, that was just me being an ass.
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Old 04-12-2003, 01:48 AM   #15
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ahaha that was a debate? I get indignant, post a link, and then call you names. Nah, that was just me being an ass.
You did well....
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Old 04-12-2003, 01:52 AM   #16
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HOAX is rewriting history ...
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Old 04-12-2003, 02:15 AM   #17
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HOAX is rewriting history ...
I'm just a drunk and diligent reader...
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Old 04-12-2003, 02:34 AM   #18
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-US sold weapons to Iraq because they was fighting Iran
-US sold weapons to bin laden and afghan because they was fighting the russians
-Russians were selling weapons to Vietnam because they was fighting the US
-Chinese were selling weapons to North Korea because they was fighting the US

do you get the idea

Its all political stuff, you guys act like you ain't never had an enemy who you use to be friends with.

Not to long ago the US fought Britian for liberation. Who would of ever thought that we'd be fighting together to liberate another country
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absolute poppycock!
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