Victims of Illegal immigrant now advocate in White House - GoFuckYourself.com

brassmonkey · 03-03-2017, 12:49 PM

PHOENIX (AP) - Two years ago, Steve Ronnebeck's son was gunned down at work in a Phoenix-area convenience store over a pack of cigarettes. The man accused of pulling the trigger was an Illegal Alien and had been released by federal authorities.

The suspected killer, captured on camera calmly stepping over the body of 21-year-old Grant Ronnebeck to grab a few more packs, faced deportation but was free on bond. Ronnebeck and other families who have lost loved ones to crimes committed by immigrants now have a forceful advocate at the highest level with President Donald Trump in the White House. During his speech to Congress on Tuesday, Trump announced that he would create a new office to serve victims of immigrant crime and their relatives.

Although immigrants are responsible for only a small fraction of the crimes committed daily around the country, the issue played an outsized role in the race for the White House. Trump repeatedly invoked such crimes at rallies and frequently appeared with victims on the campaign trail, pointing to case after case in which people were killed by immigrant assailants who slipped through the cracks.

Many of the families have doggedly pressed for changes in the immigration system for years, lobbying lawmakers in Washington and even disrupting congressional hearings to make their point. "To lose a child, especially when it was preventable, you know there's no coming back from that. You don't ever recover, but to have a president that is putting Americans first and putting the victims' families first, it's amazing," Ronnebeck said. "Finally we're being heard. My family feels like we actually matter again."

The man charged in Grant Ronnebeck's slaying has pleaded not guilty to murder, armed robbery and other charges. Adolfo Altamirano is scheduled to go to trial Sept. 18 in Maricopa County. Trump's new agency will be the office of Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement, or VOICE, and will be part of the Department of Homeland Security. Department Secretary John Kelly described the agency's planned work in a memo last month.

Under President Barack Obama, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency protected information about immigration cases from public inspection, including from victims. It also created a public advocate position in 2012 that helped immigrants facing deportation and answered complaints or offered explanations about the agency's work.

Opponents criticized the administration for using government money to advocate for immigrants in the country illegally. Don Rosenberg said an office like VOICE would have been useful when he was trying to navigate the judicial system after an immigrant named Roberto Galo killed his 25-year-old son, Drew, in a car collision after striking the law student's motorcycle in San Francisco in late 2010.

Rosenberg struggled to keep track of hearings and did not know what his rights were as the father of a victim. Galo did not have a driver's license and was in the country illegally, although he had temporary protected status, meaning he was shielded from deportation. He was sentenced to six months in jail but was let out after 43 days, Rosenberg said.

He was eventually deported to Honduras. Rosenberg became vocal against policies protecting immigrants. He was detained by U.S. Capitol police in July 2015 after getting into an argument with another man at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examining the Obama administration's approach to immigration. Rosenberg said he got loud but not violent while arguing with a man. He was not charged.

Several studies have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native-born U.S. citizens. A 2014 study published in the journal Justice Quarterly concluded that immigrants "exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course."

Not all relatives of crime victims agree with Trump. Andy Ostroy, of New York, said it's wrong for the president and others to demonize a group of people based on the actions of a few. Ostroy's wife, Adrienne Shelly, was an actor and filmmaker with a young daughter. She was killed in 2006 by an Ecuadorean immigrant who was working in construction without legal status. Diego Pillco strangled Shelly and staged her death as a suicide. He confessed, pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Ostroy said a program such as VOICE will fuel anti-immigrant rhetoric. "Let's just work on crime, period," he said. "Let's not go down a dark, dangerous path of demonizing whole segments of our population."

Mary Ann Mendoza is the mother of a Mesa, Arizona, police sergeant killed in 2014 in a head-on collision with a drunken driver who was suspected of being in the country illegally. The driver, Raul Silva Corona, who had been driving the wrong way, was killed in the crash.

Mendoza said she has been working with members of the Trump administration as they create VOICE and is grateful for the president's actions. "So many times families are left grieving the loss of their loved ones, and they're left wondering what happened in the system," she said. "I wish we had leadership in our state that stood up for Americans and would reach out to our families."

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pimpmaster9000 · 03-03-2017, 12:54 PM

Bladewire · 03-03-2017, 12:54 PM

What about all the illegal immigrants here killed by Americans?

brassmonkey · 03-03-2017, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

What about all the illegal immigrants here killed by Americans?

not going to argue. turn on fox news and shout at the tv.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-03-2017, 01:01 PM

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-03-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

is that elizabeth warren?

brassmonkey · 03-03-2017, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

enjoy the sanctions

Horatio Caine · 03-03-2017, 04:33 PM

How many Americans get killed by dark skinned thugs every year?

brassmonkey · 03-03-2017, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

How many Americans get killed by dark skinned ms-13 thugs every year?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-03-2017, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

How many Americans get killed by dark skinned thugs every year?

how many humans does WAR inc kill?

you have the nerve to point your finger cracker

(it aint reysiss if one cracker calls another cracker a cracker, cracker)

Horatio Caine · 03-03-2017, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

how many humans does WAR inc kill?

you have the nerve to point your finger cracker

(it aint reysiss if one cracker calls another cracker a cracker, cracker)

Another welfare bum. This one is light brown color with hairy back.... You wish "you waz a cracker" chimp boy...

brassmonkey · 03-03-2017, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

how many humans does WAR inc kill?

you have the nerve to point your finger cracker

(it aint reysiss if one cracker calls another cracker a cracker, cracker)

OneHungLo · 03-03-2017, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

how many humans does WAR inc kill?

you have the nerve to point your finger cracker

(it aint reysiss if one cracker calls another cracker a cracker, cracker)

You ain't no cracker...you're without a doubt one of them brown stinky goat fucking alien head dicked muslimes

Horatio Caine · 03-03-2017, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You ain't no cracker...you're without a doubt one of them brown stinky goat fucking alien head dicked muslimes

Claims to be of Aryan blood.

A Byzantine camel jockey and Orthodox Turk. Slightly improved version of Albanian - V 1.01. The gay son of Thor! Transgender Viking in 7 inch highheels.

dave90210 · 03-03-2017, 11:55 PM

I have yet to hear of a case where that has happened. If it has happened it most certainly doesn't happen at the frequency of illegal aliens killing Americans!!! 30% of the inmate population in California are illegal aliens and they make up 10% of the population!!!

Here's some more statistics for you Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals | Fox News

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

What about all the illegal immigrants here killed by Americans?

Paul Markham · 03-04-2017, 02:09 AM

All illegal migrants are criminals.

Horatio Caine · 03-04-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dave90210

I have yet to hear of a case where that has happened. If it has happened it most certainly doesn't happen at the frequency of illegal aliens killing Americans!!! 30% of the inmate population in California are illegal aliens and they make up 10% of the population!!!

Here's some more statistics for you Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals | Fox News

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Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.

can you find similar stats for black offenders?
never mind, I did it for you.

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Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides. In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.Nov 28, 2015

Bladewire · 03-04-2017, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dave90210

Here's some more statistics for you Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals | Fox News

Fake news!

Those statistics are from a fox news article and they don't link to the source!

They say their source is "FoxNews.com did review reports from immigration reform groups"

Yeah, ask groups of people who hate immigrants what the immigrant crime rate is and post it as fact in your story with no links to references

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2017, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All illegal migrants are criminals.

That's what they don't seem to get

GFED · 03-04-2017, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

That's what they don't seem to get

They've changed it to UNDOCUMENTED... wrongly insinuating that they are NOT criminals.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2017, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GFED

They've changed it to UNDOCUMENTED... wrongly insinuating that they are NOT criminals.

Now they just use the term "immigrant"

Horatio Caine · 03-04-2017, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GFED

They've changed it to UNDOCUMENTED... wrongly insinuating that they are NOT criminals.

No, undocumented is partially due to fact (Mark Rubios's report on illegal immigration) that nearly 50% of all undocumented immigrants come to US legally. It takes 15 to 20 years for some to process their applications. I know idiots like markham or brasshit say "dei should process dei paipaz dogg".. Take a look at this - Mexico family based applications - 6-01-95 Thats right, they are processing applications filed in 1995. This is family member legally living in the US filing for another family member case!

March 2017 Visa Bulletin

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-04-2017, 12:17 PM

How about no more immigration?

Horatio Caine · 03-04-2017, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

How about no more immigration?

Don't you dare! Your beloved Fuhrer marries submissive Eastern European brides exclusively and you want to stop that?

And who is going to be next Segei Brin or Elon Mask? Brassmonkey? Endgeprod?

Oh wait, perhaps you can take up on that task? Nooo? you're too busy trolling this board?! Never mind.

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brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 76,897	Victims of Illegal immigrant now advocate in White House PHOENIX (AP) - Two years ago, Steve Ronnebeck's son was gunned down at work in a Phoenix-area convenience store over a pack of cigarettes. The man accused of pulling the trigger was an Illegal Alien and had been released by federal authorities. The suspected killer, captured on camera calmly stepping over the body of 21-year-old Grant Ronnebeck to grab a few more packs, faced deportation but was free on bond. Ronnebeck and other families who have lost loved ones to crimes committed by immigrants now have a forceful advocate at the highest level with President Donald Trump in the White House. During his speech to Congress on Tuesday, Trump announced that he would create a new office to serve victims of immigrant crime and their relatives. Although immigrants are responsible for only a small fraction of the crimes committed daily around the country, the issue played an outsized role in the race for the White House. Trump repeatedly invoked such crimes at rallies and frequently appeared with victims on the campaign trail, pointing to case after case in which people were killed by immigrant assailants who slipped through the cracks. Many of the families have doggedly pressed for changes in the immigration system for years, lobbying lawmakers in Washington and even disrupting congressional hearings to make their point. "To lose a child, especially when it was preventable, you know there's no coming back from that. You don't ever recover, but to have a president that is putting Americans first and putting the victims' families first, it's amazing," Ronnebeck said. "Finally we're being heard. My family feels like we actually matter again." The man charged in Grant Ronnebeck's slaying has pleaded not guilty to murder, armed robbery and other charges. Adolfo Altamirano is scheduled to go to trial Sept. 18 in Maricopa County. Trump's new agency will be the office of Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement, or VOICE, and will be part of the Department of Homeland Security. Department Secretary John Kelly described the agency's planned work in a memo last month. Under President Barack Obama, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency protected information about immigration cases from public inspection, including from victims. It also created a public advocate position in 2012 that helped immigrants facing deportation and answered complaints or offered explanations about the agency's work. Opponents criticized the administration for using government money to advocate for immigrants in the country illegally. Don Rosenberg said an office like VOICE would have been useful when he was trying to navigate the judicial system after an immigrant named Roberto Galo killed his 25-year-old son, Drew, in a car collision after striking the law student's motorcycle in San Francisco in late 2010. Rosenberg struggled to keep track of hearings and did not know what his rights were as the father of a victim. Galo did not have a driver's license and was in the country illegally, although he had temporary protected status, meaning he was shielded from deportation. He was sentenced to six months in jail but was let out after 43 days, Rosenberg said. He was eventually deported to Honduras. Rosenberg became vocal against policies protecting immigrants. He was detained by U.S. Capitol police in July 2015 after getting into an argument with another man at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examining the Obama administration's approach to immigration. Rosenberg said he got loud but not violent while arguing with a man. He was not charged. Several studies have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native-born U.S. citizens. A 2014 study published in the journal Justice Quarterly concluded that immigrants "exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course." Not all relatives of crime victims agree with Trump. Andy Ostroy, of New York, said it's wrong for the president and others to demonize a group of people based on the actions of a few. Ostroy's wife, Adrienne Shelly, was an actor and filmmaker with a young daughter. She was killed in 2006 by an Ecuadorean immigrant who was working in construction without legal status. Diego Pillco strangled Shelly and staged her death as a suicide. He confessed, pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Ostroy said a program such as VOICE will fuel anti-immigrant rhetoric. "Let's just work on crime, period," he said. "Let's not go down a dark, dangerous path of demonizing whole segments of our population." Mary Ann Mendoza is the mother of a Mesa, Arizona, police sergeant killed in 2014 in a head-on collision with a drunken driver who was suspected of being in the country illegally. The driver, Raul Silva Corona, who had been driving the wrong way, was killed in the crash. Mendoza said she has been working with members of the Trump administration as they create VOICE and is grateful for the president's actions. "So many times families are left grieving the loss of their loved ones, and they're left wondering what happened in the system," she said. "I wish we had leadership in our state that stood up for Americans and would reach out to our families." article... __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - Support The Laken Riley Act!!! END DACA - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

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