The retail apocalypse has officially descended on America

[Grapesoda]

this will be interesting for sure The retail apocalypse has officially descended on America

[Bladewire]

But Trump said he's going to save our jobs and everybody's going to keep their insurance.

[Scott McD]

Arrived in the UK few years ago.

Shops were overcharging, car parking prices rising, busy malls, screaming kids.


Or just buy the same shit cheaper online. Was only gonna be one winner. No doubt Trump will get blamed though...

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

But Trump said he's going to save our jobs and everybody's going to keep their insurance.

There you go...

[Rochard]

I've been watching reports about Sears and it's rather interesting - the CEO is insane, is running the company into the ground.

Sears, Macy's, JC Penny's, Kmart.... These are old school stores and out of touch with reality. Our family has no need to go any of these stores - We buy most of our stuff at Target which is two blocks away and has everything we need. Target even sells suits at one fourth the price Macy's has.

It's just so much cheaper to run an online store instead of a physical store. You can sell the same amount of products with a lot less staff and infrastructure which means less costs and more profits. We do most of our shopping through Amazon these days.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I've been watching reports about Sears and it's rather interesting - the CEO is insane, is running the company into the ground.

Sears, Macy's, JC Penny's, Kmart.... These are old school stores and out of touch with reality. Our family has no need to go any of these stores - We buy most of our stuff at Target which is two blocks away and has everything we need. Target even sells suits at one fourth the price Macy's has.

It's just so much cheaper to run an online store instead of a physical store. You can sell the same amount of products with a lot less staff and infrastructure which means less costs and more profits. We do most of our shopping through Amazon these days.

you're insensitive to people losing jobs?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

But Trump said he's going to save our jobs and everybody's going to keep their insurance.

bro·ken rec·ord

noun: broken record; plural noun: broken records; noun: stuck record; plural noun: stuck records

used, especially in similes, to refer to a person's constant and annoying repetition of a particular statement or opinion.
"at the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me repeat: it will be difficult to do well without attending classes regularly"

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you're insensitive to people losing jobs?

I never said that at all.

In fact, they are following the business model our industry pioneered. We do not need a physical bricks and mortar location for customers to walk into, but instead we sell our products online only.

At the same time you can argue no jobs are being lost at all - Instead, jobs are moving to a different area of the industry. A grand total of 179k people work for Sears, which would be a huge loss. But 222k people work for Amazon - In fact, Amazon created 40k new jobs last year alone.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I never said that at all.

In fact, they are following the business model our industry pioneered. We do not need a physical bricks and mortar location for customers to walk into, but instead we sell our products online only.

At the same time you can argue no jobs are being lost at all - Instead, jobs are moving to a different area of the industry. A grand total of 179k people work for Sears, which would be a huge loss. But 222k people work for Amazon - In fact, Amazon created 40k new jobs last year alone.

I agree. new skills sets will be needed and acquired for sure.... will not be much fun for many folks though

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I've been watching reports about Sears and it's rather interesting - the CEO is insane, is running the company into the ground.

Sears, Macy's, JC Penny's, Kmart.... These are old school stores and out of touch with reality. Our family has no need to go any of these stores - We buy most of our stuff at Target which is two blocks away and has everything we need. Target even sells suits at one fourth the price Macy's has.

It's just so much cheaper to run an online store instead of a physical store. You can sell the same amount of products with a lot less staff and infrastructure which means less costs and more profits. We do most of our shopping through Amazon these days.

Of Target a great success story....
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[CaptainHowdy]

Just passing by ...

[Grapesoda]

I read several years ago that the newer generations of Japanese have littler interest in buying a car, preferring to spend their resources elsewhere

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

this will be interesting for sure The retail apocalypse has officially descended on America

Abercrombie & Fitch used to be a mail order catalog.. They were basically like Amazon but as a catalog, you could buy anything from them including guns..

Sears, JCpennys ect all used to have giant catalogs and they all got away from that model to open big brick & mortar store fronts.. This will simply be a reset back to their old business models but instead of catalogs it will now be internet..

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Just passing by ...

since you're here let me ask you this, do you think the inbred need for '2 sleeps' has been adequately adjusted for by modern society? if you'll notice infants still retain this pattern.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by crockett

Abercrombie & Fitch used to be a mail order catalog.. They were basically like Amazon but as a catalog, you could buy anything from them including guns..

Sears, JCpennys ect all used to have giant catalogs and they all got away from that model to open big brick & mortar store fronts.. This will simply be a reset back to their old business models but instead of catalogs it will now be internet..

yes trends are reversing, good point. I always think about Walden pond when I read stories like theses. cutting ice out of a pond to sell dropped dead with advent of commercial refrigeration. as did industry grow in the south with cheap labor. air conditioning allowed a workable environment for many industries.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

bro·ken rec·ord

noun: broken record; plural noun: broken records; noun: stuck record; plural noun: stuck records

used, especially in similes, to refer to a person's constant and annoying repetition of a particular statement or opinion.
"at the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me repeat: it will be difficult to do well without attending classes regularly"

An industry is collapsing and Trump remains silent, as usual.

Your guy is in charge and made promises to get elected that he's not fulfilling.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I am in Rome Italy right now -- no shortage of small retail shops here. It's like traveling back in time Haven't seen any big box retailer to go under

[MassMarketing]

90% of everything we buy is on-line. If we need something quicker, we run to Target.
If we need something designer, we take a day trip to the city.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

An industry is collapsing and Trump remains silent, as usual.

Your guy is in charge and made promises to get elected that he's not fulfilling.

You think Hillary would have a plan by now or anyone else for that matter...

A whole industry is about to implode, consumers are buying products elsewhere.

I'm not surprised, I order most of my stuff online and I'm not sure it can be fixed.

Market and retailers needs to adapt to consumer habits.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by DraX

You think Hillary would have a plan by now or anyone else for that matter...

A whole industry is about to implode, consumers are buying products elsewhere.

I'm not surprised, I order most of my stuff online and I'm not sure it can be fixed.

Market and retailers needs to adapt to consumer habits.

Same with the coal industry the "workers" don't adapt and Trump placates them he's all over it like spit on a twizzler stick.

Ignoring this implosion will bite him in the ass all those people out of work in retail will see Trump golfing and fighting FBI criminal charges and not addressing their issues.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

An industry is collapsing and Trump remains silent, as usual.

Your guy is in charge and made promises to get elected that he's not fulfilling.

The decline in offline retail has been happening for a decade and you blame Trump. Because you're blind.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DraX

You think Hillary would have a plan by now or anyone else for that matter...

A whole industry is about to implode, consumers are buying products elsewhere.

Hillary had no plans to stop the decline of America, she's part of the reason it's declining.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Same with the coal industry the "workers" don't adapt and Trump placates them he's all over it like spit on a twizzler stick.

Ignoring this implosion will bite him in the ass all those people out of work in retail will see Trump golfing and fighting FBI criminal charges and not addressing their issues.

I agree with you on coal, it's yesterday's fuel. Now explain the decline in all the other industries because of the policies Hillary and Bill support?

A little insight into your hero. https://www.google.de/webhp?hl=en&gw... +to+charity&*

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, Amazon created 40k new jobs last year alone.

and how many small shop owners did it put out of business?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I agree. new skills sets will be needed and acquired for sure.... will not be much fun for many folks though

I think it is going to get much worse. Eventually technology will replace nearly all jobs. In our lifetime we'll see automated cars so we won't need delivery drivers, truck drivers, and taxi drivers. We have machines that can build houses and bridges. We won't need people to work in restaurants because we can order through computers and in California they are testing a robot that makes hamburgers. Eventually we will build robots that will build yet more robots, and robots that will fix robots.

Eventually we will get to the point where you will need something done - say you want to repave your driveway - and you click a button on your computer, machines will drive themselves to your house, give you options on your tablet or computer, and then do all of the work.

Eventually we will no longer have a need to work. At some point in time we will move over to a universal income or basic income. I guess at that point we will all spent our time trying not to get fat.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

and how many small shop owners did it put out of business?

That's what I said too.

In my hometown we had a grocery store called the Rainbow Market. It was in the downtown area, was family owned, and had been here in town for fifty years. It largely supported the older population. We were all up in arms when they closed down the store and sold the property to Wal Mart to open up a "Neighborhood Grocery" store.

Six months later the new "Neighborhood Grocery" store opened up. It was eye opening for our community. We suddenly discovered the Rainbow Market was old, horrible, poorly lit, had grumpy employees, and prices three to four times what they should have been. The city didn't loose any jobs because a lot more people work at the new store then the old one, the amount of money the city makes in taxes is five times more.

I used to think the same - "Oh, how horrible, the mom and pop stores are being closed down and jobs are being lost". But this is not the truth. The mom and pop stores are closing because they have a small inventory, smaller staff, and higher prices.

Do we like it when we walk into a store and know the owners name? We sure do. But I like it a lot less when I am paying four times what I should be paying because the owner has to send his three kids to college.

Walmart came to our town and we were all up in arms about it, and we even tried to fight it. But in the end it turned out this was a good thing for our community. Yeah, some people lost their jobs. But a lot more people are working at WalMart and they seem to make the same wages. (The Rainbow Market didn't pay their staff much.)

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I agree with you on coal, it's yesterday's fuel. Now explain the decline in all the other industries because of the policies Hillary and Bill support?

A little insight into your hero. https://www.google.de/webhp?hl=en&gw... +to+charity&*

I have no idea what you are even talking about but.... I clicked on your link and the fourth article was from Politifact that examines statements about 80% of the money the Clinton Foundation raises does not go to charities. Multiple people have made such statements, and it turns out they are not true at all.

Here is a part from the article:

The American Institute of Philanthropy?s Charity Watch, reached the same conclusion. It has given the Clinton Foundation an A rating and says it spends only 12 percent of the money it raises on "overhead."

"The Clinton Foundation is an excellent charity," Charity Watch president Daniel Borochoff said Aug. 24, 2016, on CNN. "They are able to get 88 percent of their spending to bona fide program services and their fundraising efficiency is really low. It only costs them $2 to raise $100."

Here is the link:

Reince Priebus' False claim that 80% of Clinton Foundation costs are overhead | PolitiFact

I am not a Hillary supporter, and I frankly don't care about them, their family, or their charity... But the amount of bullshit and lies spread around the Internet like this is silly.

Meanwhile, let's look at Trump's charity.... He spent tens of thousands of dollars from the charity on a picture of himself that hangs in his hotel - He is using charity money to furnish his own hotel. He also used charity money to make a donation to someone running for public office, which is illegal, not to mention the person he donated it to was the person who decided to not press charges against Trump for his Trump University crap.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Hillary had no plans to stop the decline of America

That's a lie. You are outright lying Paul.

Trump was actually admonished by the GOP for having no detailed plan for the public to see.

Meanwhile Hillary has pages and pages of detailed NEW strategies to keep the economy on the continued uptick Obama graced America with. Obama pulled America out of a devastating recession.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issue...-for-everyone/

[Tasty1]

I lived in the old city center in city in Holland. Very nice street, all small business owners, fashion stores, restaurants, even a shop where they sold hats (already over 100 year...), small cheese store etcetra, just like Italy They will survive, they made it a nice street But than the local socialist and green party made more and more regulations. Extra money for parking, forbid cars enter the city, if someone placed a nice sign outside with the sale of the day they got a fine, the fucking socialist communist even wanted a tax for advertisements in the window... THAT extra regulation made some shop close, it was in the middle of the crisis. 1 sign with 'sale of the day' could have prevented that, that made the extra 2000 euro they needed. I helped protesting and after years the Green Left party collapsed and other party took over and made the street better, banks on the street so you people could sit down while shopping (instead in an expensive cafe), allowing nice advertisement on the street (not billboards) and now that street is choosen the nicest shopping street in Holland. When i saw that green bastards doing all that to terrorise the small shop owners, they will never get my vote.

Also you saw the big chains profiting, while they never invested in street partys or christmas decoration to give the street a nice atmosphere. To get those chains to the city like Zara, the local governement helped them cause they wanted big brands... and doing nothing for small shop owners.

Small specialized shop owners can survive, if the governement is not terrorizing the small shop owners. The hat store is realy from another century, there used to be a lot. Now only one, that is logic cause who wears a hat... But he start selling them on the internet to germany also and survived.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I have no idea what you are even talking about but.... I clicked on your link and the fourth article was from Politifact that examines statements about 80% of the money the Clinton Foundation raises does not go to charities. Multiple people have made such statements, and it turns out they are not true at all.

Here is a part from the article:

The American Institute of Philanthropy?s Charity Watch, reached the same conclusion. It has given the Clinton Foundation an A rating and says it spends only 12 percent of the money it raises on "overhead."

"The Clinton Foundation is an excellent charity," Charity Watch president Daniel Borochoff said Aug. 24, 2016, on CNN. "They are able to get 88 percent of their spending to bona fide program services and their fundraising efficiency is really low. It only costs them $2 to raise $100."

Here is the link:

Reince Priebus' False claim that 80% of Clinton Foundation costs are overhead | PolitiFact

I am not a Hillary supporter, and I frankly don't care about them, their family, or their charity... But the amount of bullshit and lies spread around the Internet like this is silly.

Meanwhile, let's look at Trump's charity.... He spent tens of thousands of dollars from the charity on a picture of himself that hangs in his hotel - He is using charity money to furnish his own hotel. He also used charity money to make a donation to someone running for public office, which is illegal, not to mention the person he donated it to was the person who decided to not press charges against Trump for his Trump University crap.

So the first three didn't prove your point?

Read everything, then come up with evidence the Clintons spend more on helping people than they do the Foundation.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

That's a lie. You are outright lying Paul.

Trump was actually admonished by the GOP for having no detailed plan for the public to see.

Meanwhile Hillary has pages and pages of detailed NEW strategies to keep the economy on the continued uptick Obama graced America with. Obama pulled America out of a devastating recession.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issue...-for-everyone/

What policies did Clinton have to stop mass illegal migration and slow down legal migration of low skilled and dependents?

What policies did Clinton have to stop globalisation?

What policies did Clinton have to bring back decent paying jobs to ordinary Americans?

The Dow is an indication of how well the very wealthy are doing. Meanwhile, ordinary Americans are getting poorer.

Obama did pull the US out of the recession, by borrowing so much the economy had enough to money. The problem was he never stopped the real decline.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Also you saw the big chains profiting, while they never invested in street partys or christmas decoration to give the street a nice atmosphere. To get those chains to the city like Zara, the local governement helped them cause they wanted big brands... and doing nothing for small shop owners.

This isn't just retail. Other industries are going the same way and big companies can easily send jobs abroad or automate them. This leads to loss of jobs, more on benefits, higher government spending and lower tax revenues.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

An industry is collapsing and Trump remains silent, as usual.

Your guy is in charge and made promises to get elected that he's not fulfilling.

you have now officially crossed into dipshit land... blaming a president that has been sitting for less than 3 months for 20 years of retail change

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This isn't just retail. Other industries are going the same way and big companies can easily send jobs abroad or automate them. This leads to loss of jobs, more on benefits, higher government spending and lower tax revenues.

time to let the populations drop

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This isn't just retail. Other industries are going the same way and big companies can easily send jobs abroad or automate them. This leads to loss of jobs, more on benefits, higher government spending and lower tax revenues.

and that brings us to what ?

do you not realize that all this discussion CAN ONLY end up i one solution: GLOBALISATION !!!

but your minds are too limited and your ideology too deeply rooted to see that all this problems can be resolved in a global market.

imagine what would happen with amazon in a limited market

and amazons strong site is not producing anything - it is SELLING

the internet is the best example that globalizing is working.
because you guys speak about a few million jobs killed by the internet but not from a few dozend million jobs it has created.

if a car seller had a representative sales man there was ONE for a big region.
look how many affiliates are living from amazon.
look how many do live even from smaller companies.

and now CUT THEM OFF from the gloabal market and the complete market will break.

you did not realize that globalizm gives EVERY product the chance to cometite in a globla market. but all you think about is the worker in the t-shirt factory in china who works for 50 cent per hour.

but you do NOT realize how many good paid workers this guy pays with his existance.

how many sales and cashiers in US-shops would not have work if this guy in china would not produce that cheap ?

THAT is what you always oversee in your brilliant logic from anno 1800

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I read several years ago that the newer generations of Japanese have littler interest in buying a car, preferring to spend their resources elsewhere

You are right about that. Cars are for people with families or yakuza. lol.
Public transportation is outstanding. Efficient, plentiful and cheap.

Shops, especially mom and pops are still very popular. But online is even more so.
Amazon will be hitting some bumps this year as their delivery companies are quitting left and right. Overworked and underpaid.

One big retailer is actually developing drone delivery. As Rochard said, new industries cropping up to replace old.

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by thommy

and that brings us to what ?

do you not realize that all this discussion CAN ONLY end up i one solution: GLOBALISATION !!!

but your minds are too limited and your ideology too deeply rooted to see that all this problems can be resolved in a global market.

imagine what would happen with amazon in a limited market

and amazons strong site is not producing anything - it is SELLING

the internet is the best example that globalizing is working.
because you guys speak about a few million jobs killed by the internet but not from a few dozend million jobs it has created.

if a car seller had a representative sales man there was ONE for a big region.
look how many affiliates are living from amazon.
look how many do live even from smaller companies.

and now CUT THEM OFF from the gloabal market and the complete market will break.

you did not realize that globalizm gives EVERY product the chance to cometite in a globla market. but all you think about is the worker in the t-shirt factory in china who works for 50 cent per hour.

but you do NOT realize how many good paid workers this guy pays with his existance.

how many sales and cashiers in US-shops would not have work if this guy in china would not produce that cheap ?

THAT is what you always oversee in your brilliant logic from anno 1800

Globalization enriches the rich and makes slaves out of the poor. Its ok in some areas but not in many others.

[mce]

Jobs evolve all the time

How many beeper support staffers still have a job?
How many buggy whip makers still have a job?
How many punch card feeders and clerks still have a job?

With each disruption, different and in many cases HIGHER PAYING jobs are created.

Don't fear change

Use CHANGE as INSPIRATION

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This isn't just retail. Other industries are going the same way and big companies can easily send jobs abroad or automate them. This leads to loss of jobs, more on benefits, higher government spending and lower tax revenues.

For the small shop owners where i lived that had also influence, but not that much. Cause they also buy at a wholesale, but more original and hand made fashion. Woman like shopping, they love those story with original clothes. Or a specialized cheese shop. It was the government terrorizing them. They even banned the bicycles in the street, most people in the city go by bike... And the green party wanted to ban the cars, extra parking cost. But when you shop and have 3 bags of clothes, you want that to put in your car and shop further, can't do that when you come by bus. And the governement complaining that all shopping streets look the same in Holland with all big brands. But saying that the small streets are so nice, not seeing that they are the ones destroying those streets.

Globalisation is just a part, the rules of local governments has more influence. On the other hand you had starbucks that competed with locals that couldn't compete with a brand that payed less tax. And you also have the problem that the employees are protected so well, it is dangerous to hire people. When they get sick, get pregnant, or not working well you hardly can't get rid of them. Not a problem for a big brand with shops all over the country and hundreds of employees. They needed to break up the street for years for a big building project so less people went trough the street. Again no problem for big brands, but a big problem for a small shop owner. The local government compensated one business for that, the local governement casino... can you imagine how a small shop owner felt..

Luckily the green socialist lost at the local elections and finaly they turned back some regulations that put a lot of shops out of business. I went to the city hall on election night when i saw the outcome. Most didn't know my face and i was standing in a group social green political figures and heard them whining that the party that stood up for local businesses and a more right party won. They couldn't believe it. They where so sad they lost and talking bad of the other party. I couldn't resist, introduced myself and said with a big smile that i hoped that they now had to live on wellfare.