How many supoport better gun control laws?

[Paul Markham]

Watching Designated Surveyor last night, which has lost the plot and now a liberal view of America, and it was about getting better gun control laws passed. And how it got down to a 49-51 vote in the Senate. It made me think, what do Americans want?

Better background checks, ban on assault weapons, banning people on terrorist watch or no-fly lists, removing the relaxed laws around gun shows. You can still have guns, just not as deadly and only if you're a proper person to own one.

Majority of Americans want gun control - Business Insider

Guns | Gallup Historical Trends

[Paul Markham]

Incidentally Designated Survivor was a great concept for a series until they made it more about getting the liberal agenda across and less about a group of treasonist Americans trying to take over the US Government. The time spent on the treason side v the time spent on other matters shows how it's lost its way.

[SmutHammer]

You do know most all polls in the USA are bias and manipulated.
The USA doesn't need more strict gun laws, Look at Texas and Chicago... The USA needs to be more strict with those who break laws.

[beerptrol]

Won't happen here in america. American's are willing to sacrifice their and other's kids in order to keep their 2nd amendment right to have high capacity magazines and assault weapons with little over sight

They repealed a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

You do know most all polls in the USA are bias and manipulated.
The USA doesn't need more strict gun laws, Look at Texas and Chicago... The USA needs to be more strict with those who break laws.

So you're fine with people who can't fly on a plane because they might blow it up or suspected terrorists or mentally ill people, criminals buying guns.

Lock them up after they kill someone and instead of making it life or execution. Make it 2 life sentences or execute them twice.

Nice to know where you stand.

[Rochard]

We need common sense laws. Here in the United States it's easier to buy an assault rifle than it is to get your driver's license. It's insane.

I have three assault rifles. I have more firepower in my own house than my local police department. Doesn't this worry anyone?

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you're fine with people who can't fly on a plane because they might blow it up or suspected terrorists or mentally ill people, criminals buying guns.

Lock them up after they kill someone and instead of making it life or execution. Make it 2 life sentences or execute them twice.

Nice to know where you stand.

You don't know what you are talking about, Keep watching Tv and believing all the bs. they feed you. It's not that easy to purchase a firearm in America. In that case the person should not have been able to get one. and most all gun crime is from people who have stolen guns.

[videobunch]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Watching Designated Surveyor last night, which has lost the plot and now a liberal view of America, and it was about getting better gun control laws passed. And how it got down to a 49-51 vote in the Senate. It made me think, what do Americans want?

Better background checks, ban on assault weapons, banning people on terrorist watch or no-fly lists, removing the relaxed laws around gun shows. You can still have guns, just not as deadly and only if you're a proper person to own one.

Majority of Americans want gun control - Business Insider

Guns | Gallup Historical Trends

States like Illinois (#10) and New York #(2) have some of the most strict gun laws out there. Yet they have the highest murder/crime rates. Not sure the laws are the only issue. If you look at most acts of violence with a gun, most are people that are not allowed to legally have a gun in the first place.

So my point is, gun laws mostly hurt legal abiding people and a criminal is going to find an illegal gun or if not use a gun, a car, a knife or a hammer. Bad people flat out are going to be bad.

They need to figure out how to keep bad people from doing bad things. If a person thinks by getting rid of ALL guns would stop acts of violence, look at France. We have a bigger issue.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

It's not that easy to purchase a firearm in America.

Anyone in America can buy a gun at a gun show. Every American knows this. Every weekend there are gun shows.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

You don't know what you are talking about, Keep watching Tv and believing all the bs. they feed you. It's not that easy to purchase a firearm in America. In that case the person should not have been able to get one. and most all gun crime is from people who have stolen guns.

So gun shows have strict laws about who can purchase firearms. I didn't know that thanks for putting me straight.

Of course with so many guns in private ownership, it's common sense that criminals would steal when committing a crime of theft. Or did you think they prefer buying guns to stealing them?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Won't happen here in america. American's are willing to sacrifice their and other's kids in order to keep their 2nd amendment right to have high capacity magazines and assault weapons with little over sight

They repealed a sensible Obama administration rule designed to stop people with severe mental problems from buying guns.

There's an anal retention issue over the second amendment. Even so, the amendment states clearly that firearms are for arming an organised militia. Not any dumb ass who thinks he needs a gun.

Obama failing to stop people on no-fly lists and severe mental problems from buying guns shows that the NRA are more interested in profits than saving lives.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So gun shows have strict laws about who can purchase firearms. I didn't know that thanks for putting me straight.

Of course with so many guns in private ownership, it's common sense that criminals would steal when committing a crime of theft. Or did you think they prefer buying guns to stealing them?

The gun show laws vary from state to state. Most of them don't require any kind of background check for guns sold at a gun show.

Here is a map showing which states allow guns to be bought without a background check of any kind at a gun show.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There is no way that chart is accurate. The polling must have favored left wing respondents.

There are no high capacity clips that I am aware of. There are high capacity magazines. That mistake proves that whoever made this chart is anti-gun and doesn't know much about guns.

A ban on semi-autos would ban most guns sold today. The only guns that aren't semi auto are those where you have to cock the gun before each shot. And technically you could even call a revolver a semi-auto.

[Matt 26z]

Gun control is just a left wing distraction from the problems their social programs inflicted upon minority groups.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by videobunch

States like Illinois (#10) and New York #(2) have some of the most strict gun laws out there. Yet they have the highest murder/crime rates. Not sure the laws are the only issue. If you look at most acts of violence with a gun, most are people that are not allowed to legally have a gun in the first place.

So my point is, gun laws mostly hurt legal abiding people and a criminal is going to find an illegal gun or if not use a gun, a car, a knife or a hammer. Bad people flat out are going to be bad.

They need to figure out how to keep bad people from doing bad things. If a person thinks by getting rid of ALL guns would stop acts of violence, look at France. We have a bigger issue.

The problem is we've made buying firearms so easy that local laws do not matter. It's illegal in NY? No problem - NJ is just a hop, skip, and a jump away. It's just too easy to buy a firearm.

[pornlaw]

Im always amazed at those who profit from the rights granted in the First Amendment do not understand that the importance of the Second Amendment.

There is a reason why your free speech rights were placed first and without coincidence next to the right to bear arms... the First Amendment is protected by the Second.

[videobunch]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is we've made buying firearms so easy that local laws do not matter. It's illegal in NY? No problem - NJ is just a hop, skip, and a jump away. It's just too easy to buy a firearm.

I cannot speak for other states but I know here in California there is a long process to go thru. From what I have read you have to show ID and cannot buy a gun outside of your home state as that is against the law. However if a criminal wants to buy an illegal gun or commit a crime there is nothing going to stop their mind set. Even in states that have the gun shows, you are "suppose" to show ID to verify you are a resident of that state.

I guess since I am not a criminal it does not make sense to me.

[TheSquealer]

I don't care about guns at all. However, its pretty clear with even a cursory review of stats that its a very narrow and specific group of people, 90% all belonging to one race and primarily in few certain areas that account for almost all gun violence.

The problem in the USA with guns is not a legal one, its a cultural one. Shitty parenting. Single parent homes. The destruction of two parent homes. Fathers in prisons. PC culture that won't allow you to speak the truth. A sub culture that glorifies gun violence and dealing drugs. A race that will simply shout "you're racist" if you start asking tough questions or pointing at documented facts.

Jews, Koreans, Japanese, Arabs, Indians etc etc etc for some reason don't have kids running around the streets at 2am, selling drugs and shooting each other. Maybe its time we took a hard look at that as a society.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Maybe its time we took a hard look at that as a society.

Nah.

The latest libtard race experiment is their theory that if they move blacks out of ghettos and put them in welfare housing in white areas, the blacks will learn to be more white. Of course, libtards don't frame it out like that because that would be racist, but that is their mindset.

[videobunch]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Nah.

The latest libtard race experiment is their theory that if they move blacks out of ghettos and put them in welfare housing in white areas, the blacks will learn to be more white. Of course, libtards don't frame it out like that because that would be racist, but that is their mindset.

That is the same thinking of the program "No Kids Left Behind". Instead of making the slower kids smarter or moving them into special needs classes, they make the smart kids dumber. This is american thinking. Instead of admitting your kid is dumb or needs extra help, they have to be PC and make the smart kids equal and not challenge them. Not sure when this became ok.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by videobunch

Instead of making the slower kids smarter or moving them into special needs classes, they make the smart kids dumber. This is american thinking.

Wrong! You know absolutely nothing about the American educational system or are purposely lying to spread anti American propganda I'll educate you.

In America for struggling studdnts we offer pull out/ push in services part of the public school AIS (Academic Intervention Service) and it's kind of a mini tutoring outside service to see where the student is and assist.

If that doesn't work, in America, the student has the option for the inclusion (or integrated) classroom which has 2 teachers & a teacher aid in a smaller class size for more individualized attention and offers before and/or after school training.

If that doesn't work, in America, the student has the option for the self-contained classroom These classrooms are usually made up of 4-12 students with one special education teacher and a few aids or teaching assistants.

[VikingMan]

If you remember that scene from Bowling for Columbine where Michael Moore interviewed Charlton Heston the truth almost made it on to the big screen...almost. Mr Heston began to talk about how the "culture has changed in the USA" and then got wise and decided to stop and refused to elaborate when prodded by Moore.

I will tell you exactly what Mr Heston was talking about so all of you will know why we cannot have the 2nd amendment in the future. It's gone eventually it is just a waiting game. All "they" have to do is wait until the last generation of men who still have their testacles and are not lobotomized are too old and ineffective to do anything as we all know anyone who is currently under the age of 35 is mostly just a blob (not everyone of course). And of course the mass illegal and legal immigration from 3rd world countries is part of the problem as well. 300 million mostly white people can be trusted with having a 2nd Amendment but a nation composed of various races and religions will fight amongst each other. Classic divide and conquer all while the populace is distracted with big screen TVs, sports, mind-rotting entertainment, and fake news.

It's over. Stand in line to get castrated and then when that is healed up stand in the other live to receive your lobotomy. Enjoy being a slave you fucking losers.

[videobunch]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Wrong! You know absolutely nothing about the American educational system or are purposely lying to spread anti American propganda I'll educate you.

In America for struggling studdnts we offer pull out/ push in services part of the public school AIS (Academic Intervention Service) and it's kind of a mini tutoring outside service to see where the student is and assist.

If that doesn't work, in America, the student has the option for the inclusion (or integrated) classroom which has 2 teachers & a teacher aid in a smaller class size for more individualized attention and offers before and/or after school training.

If that doesn't work, in America, the student has the option for the self-contained classroom These classrooms are usually made up of 4-12 students with one special education teacher and a few aids or teaching assistants.

Since you hate everything from what I can see from all your posts I am Guessing you do not have kids or read that online because that is not how the schools my 2 kids elementary in California was. They just push them all thru. I am not referring to special needs, I am referring to general slower learning kids. Lucky my kids are in honors classes so did not affect them. My wife's close friend is a teacher and my good friend was on the school board.

Before you say maybe your school sucks, they are some of the top in the nation for k-12.

FYI not everyone has an "anti american agenda". Was just stating a point from my personal experience.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I don't care about guns at all. However, its pretty clear with even a cursory review of stats that its a very narrow and specific group of people, 90% all belonging to one race and primarily in few certain areas that account for almost all gun violence.

The problem in the USA with guns is not a legal one, its a cultural one. Shitty parenting. Single parent homes. The destruction of two parent homes. Fathers in prisons. PC culture that won't allow you to speak the truth. A sub culture that glorifies gun violence and dealing drugs. A race that will simply shout "you're racist" if you start asking tough questions or pointing at documented facts.

Jews, Koreans, Japanese, Arabs, Indians etc etc etc for some reason don't have kids running around the streets at 2am, selling drugs and shooting each other. Maybe its time we took a hard look at that as a society.

[bronco67]

I am a liberal.

I served my country in the military (which is more than a lot of "patriots" around here could say).

I LOVE GUNS.

I've had a lifelong love affair with firearms since I was a little boy collecting plastic guns they used to have in gumball machines. That's how I learned what a Walther PPK and M16 was.

I got my first pellet gun at eight years old and owned a wide variety from a Crossman 760 to the more high powered Benjamin models.

I got my first Mossberg 500 shotgun in high school when I was able to pay for it myself with my grocery store job. Soon after that I owned a Czech tz-75, a Glock 40 and a Beretta 92f.

Did plenty of hunting in the woods of New Jersey during that time also.

I built my own CAR15 (now called M4) through mail order parts and reloaded my own 223 (and shotgun shells).

In the Navy, I worked base security with the Marines which included guarding Special Air Mission flights when they had a layover at my base in Hawaii. I qualified with the 1911 45 cal and shotgun on a regular basis, under the training of the toughest Marine bastard you would never want to meet.

During my time on this base we'd have fun trips the local Army base to fire every weapon known to man just for fun.

So I've forgotten more about guns than most "pro-gun" people in this forum.

Given my historical perspective, why do I think it's a good idea to make it as hard as humanly possible for someone to buy an implement of death?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

You do know most all polls in the USA are bias and manipulated.
The USA doesn't need more strict gun laws, Look at Texas and Chicago... The USA needs to be more strict with those who break laws.

You might want to look up our incarceration rate.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I am a liberal.

blah, blah, blah

Given my historical perspective, why do I think it's a good idea to make it as hard as humanly possible for someone to buy an implement of death?

Because you are a hypocrite liberal. You feel guns are okay for you, what with your superior intelligence and all, but should be kept from those you feel to be your intellectual and social inferiors. Libs always know what's best for everyone.

[AndyA]

We need to be exactly like Australia and ban ALL guns...

FUCK these hunters. You want to hunt,,, go sniff around your boyfriends balls

You know how many GUN deaths there were in England last year 50... in Germany 8

don't fucking tell me about Chicago... the reason Chicago has so many gun deaths is because the neighboring States have ZERO gun policies so they run to Indiana and those 'big hunter states'

if your a hunter, go to africa... get rid of ALL guns

I'm tired of trying to reason with these morons.. 'COMMON SENSE LAWS' FUCK common sense laws

We need to BAN ALL GUNS.. like every modern western civilization....

guns are for the military not for untrained buffoons

[AndyA]

[AndyA]

STOP trying to reason with Trump supporters and the NRA...

there is no reasoning with stupid

go for BAN ALL GUNS..... then maybe they will want to negotiate... if you start with 'sensible gun control' they are going to laugh


SUE the NRA and ban all guns

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by AndyA

STOP trying to reason with Trump supporters and the NRA...

there is no reasoning with stupid

go for BAN ALL GUNS..... then maybe they will want to negotiate... if you start with 'sensible gun control' they are going to laugh


SUE the NRA and ban all guns

Good luck with that. How do you plan to make the millions of guns in the US disappear?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AndyA

We need to be exactly like Australia and ban ALL guns...

FUCK these hunters. You want to hunt,,, go sniff around your boyfriends balls

You know how many GUN deaths there were in England last year 50... in Germany 8

don't fucking tell me about Chicago... the reason Chicago has so many gun deaths is because the neighboring States have ZERO gun policies so they run to Indiana and those 'big hunter states'

if your a hunter, go to africa... get rid of ALL guns

I'm tired of trying to reason with these morons.. 'COMMON SENSE LAWS' FUCK common sense laws

We need to BAN ALL GUNS.. like every modern western civilization....

guns are for the military not for untrained buffoons

that´s a result of another brainwash and this comes from the weapon lobby.
they suggest that people "loosing freedom" when they take away their weapons.

thousands are getting killed every year - even from "normal" people what just went crazy for a second for some reason.

if you just look only at the numbers of wifes getting shot by their husbands in one year you have enough reason to take all guns away.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Good luck with that. How do you plan to make the millions of guns in the US disappear?

how are you dealing with cancer?

it takes already too long to find a med against it. so give up and let people die? is this your answer on that problem ?

sure you will not get rid of that over night and will take time. but you have to start it to get to an end.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by thommy

how are you dealing with cancer?

it takes already too long to find a med against it. so give up and let people die? is this your answer on that problem ?

sure you will not get rid of that over night and will take time. but you have to start it to get to an end.

You didn't answer my question. What is your specific plan for getting rid of all the guns in the US?

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Im always amazed at those who profit from the rights granted in the First Amendment do not understand that the importance of the Second Amendment.

There is a reason why your free speech rights were placed first and without coincidence next to the right to bear arms... the First Amendment is protected by the Second.

damn did ya hear that? its the sound of the logic of your post flying right over the headof the people here...you are dean on the money.

our founding fathers knew that once the government takes away a right the only way you will get it back is through the barrel of a gun...Mao Tse Dung knew it too

It saddens me the number of people here..of all places who are willing to give the government carte blanche so long as they get the illusion of being safe in return....note to y'all ... government is WHY we need to arm ourselves.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by AndyA

We need to be exactly like Australia and ban ALL guns...

If the US constitution is going to be violated, then why not violate it by banning blacks and browns from owning guns? That would solve the problem without having to ban guns entirely.

Originally Posted by AndyA

don't fucking tell me about Chicago... the reason Chicago has so many gun deaths is because the neighboring States have ZERO gun policies so they run to Indiana and those 'big hunter states'

That is bullshit. If you are from Illinois and go to one of the border gun shows in Indiana they aren't going to let you walk out with the gun even though it is technically legal for them to do that.


Oh, and I don't agree with your first amendment right to print this stuff about banning guns. We need to get rid of the first amendment!!!!!

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by thommy

if you just look only at the numbers of wifes getting shot by their husbands in one year you have enough reason to take all guns away.

So they crack their wife over the head with a bat instead.....

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Because you are a hypocrite liberal. You feel guns are okay for you, what with your superior intelligence and all, but should be kept from those you feel to be your intellectual and social inferiors. Libs always know what's best for everyone.

That's not what I said dipshit.

I said it should be tough to get a gun. That includes me.

[crockett]

I'd be more than happy with better back ground checks, not allowing mentally ill people to buy guns, stricter punishment for crimes using a weapon (gun, knife, axe whatever) and mandatory life if a death resulted in a crime with a weapon.

Last I'd require actual "real" training and certification showing you are capable of handling a gun. I'd also be more lenient on felons if they were involved in a non violent conviction. I'd be ok with them restoring their right to own guns after a reasonable amount of time but never for violent felons.

There isn't many people who realistically think we could outright ban guns, the problem is the right wing and the ammo lobby (aka NRA) scream like little girls the moment any sensible gun legislation is attempted. The NRA went from being a group focused on gun safety to being the lobby arm of the gun & ammo manufactures.. This is why we can't get anything reasonable done because as the lobbying arm their job is to scare the dum dums into thinking evil liberal are gonna take their guns..

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

There is no way that chart is accurate. The polling must have favored left wing respondents.

There are no high capacity clips that I am aware of. There are high capacity magazines. That mistake proves that whoever made this chart is anti-gun and doesn't know much about guns.

A ban on semi-autos would ban most guns sold today. The only guns that aren't semi auto are those where you have to cock the gun before each shot. And technically you could even call a revolver a semi-auto.

Clips vs Magazines and the poll is inaccurate in your opinion.

Why not make them single shot, that would help reduce the death toll.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Gun control is just a left wing distraction from the problems their social programs inflicted upon minority groups.

So you admit America has social problems and those people having guns isn't a problem.

I agree that the problems the West have with getting enough jobs for the poor and that violence and crime are the results. But allowing people with these problems access to guns isn't a good idea.

In the UK it's knife crime. They halted the Stop and Search initiative because it was claimed it targeted black people by the police and knife crime, stabbings, homicides soared. Thankfully those kids don't have guns.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I agree that the problems the West have with getting enough jobs for the poor and that violence and crime are the results. But allowing people with these problems access to guns isn't a good idea.

I totally get what you are saying and it makes sense on the surface, but the culture dynamics of the US in a broader sense do not allow for a widespread belief that guns should be banned just because criminals use them.

The US is a massive, socially diverse nation. So we see people who live near big cities take a look around them and determine that their corner of American society would be better without guns, while people who live outside of these areas do the same thing and determine that guns are of very little threat to them.

Here is the 2016 presidential voting map. It shows voting concentration and thus gun control beliefs...



The threat of crime, in a potential life altering sense, generally speaking, is limited to blue left wing parts of the nation. This is where the black socialist communities are at, where browns go to scam the generous welfare system (especially as it applies to illegal immigration) and where the whites are so afraid of speaking truths that they effectively brainwash one another into political correctness at all times. This is where the crime is at and very little meaningful action is taken to stop it due to law enforcement having their hands tied politically.

Then you look at the map outside of the blue areas and you see that US culture is overwhelmingly right wing in a geographical sense. And it is people in these areas who wonder why they should have to give up their guns essentially because blacks and browns -- whom they are almost entirely insulted from in red areas -- can't behave themselves. There is a lot of anger in these parts that whites in high population areas do not crack down on crime, often side with criminals, etc...

This is the actual source of gun control conflict in the US, but you won't see it framed out this way in the media.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The problem in the USA with guns is not a legal one, its a cultural one. Shitty parenting. Single parent homes. The destruction of two parent homes. Fathers in prisons. PC culture that won't allow you to speak the truth. A sub culture that glorifies gun violence and dealing drugs. A race that will simply shout "you're racist" if you start asking tough questions or pointing at documented facts.

So why make it so easy for people to get guns where there is a cultural problem?

Break away from colour and look at gun crime vs income statistics. It reveals the core of the problem.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Because you are a hypocrite liberal. You feel guns are okay for you, what with your superior intelligence and all, but should be kept from those you feel to be your intellectual and social inferiors. Libs always know what's best for everyone.

He obviously has had more training and use of firearms than the average person. Are you advocating people with no training should have as many firearms as the desire?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

It saddens me the number of people here..of all places who are willing to give the government carte blanche so long as they get the illusion of being safe in return....note to y'all ... government is WHY we need to arm ourselves.

Good luck going up against Sherman tanks and Apache helicopters.

The time for Americans to stand up and take back control is when it comes to elections. But most of them vote for the people in billionaires pockets and as corrupt as the politicians taking Al Capone's money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

I totally get what you are saying and it makes sense on the surface, but the culture dynamics of the US in a broader sense do not allow for a widespread belief that guns should be banned just because criminals use them.

The US is a massive, socially diverse nation. So we see people who live near big cities take a look around them and determine that their corner of American society would be better without guns, while people who live outside of these areas do the same thing and determine that guns are of very little threat to them.

Here is the 2016 presidential voting map. It shows voting concentration and thus gun control beliefs...



The threat of crime, in a potential life altering sense, generally speaking, is limited to blue left wing parts of the nation. This is where the black socialist communities are at, where browns go to scam the generous welfare system (especially as it applies to illegal immigration) and where the whites are so afraid of speaking truths that they effectively brainwash one another into political correctness at all times. This is where the crime is at and very little meaningful action is taken to stop it due to law enforcement having their hands tied politically.

Then you look at the map outside of the blue areas and you see that US culture is overwhelmingly right wing in a geographical sense. And it is people in these areas who wonder why they should have to give up their guns essentially because blacks and browns -- whom they are almost entirely insulted from in red areas -- can't behave themselves. There is a lot of anger in these parts that whites in high population areas do not crack down on crime, often side with criminals, etc...

This is the actual source of gun control conflict in the US, but you won't see it framed out this way in the media.

It's not just about race, it's about poverty.

Anyway how many black/brown people have walked into a school and shot other pupils and teachers?

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

He obviously has had more training and use of firearms than the average person. Are you advocating people with no training should have as many firearms as the desire?

I believe he shouldn't be so anxious to take away a freedom he has had from others because he feels he possesses superior knowledge and insight. He was not born with firearms training, he learned it. That said, I am personally in favor of training and licensing firearms similar to the way we license cars and drivers.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

You don't know what you are talking about, Keep watching Tv and believing all the bs. they feed you. It's not that easy to purchase a firearm in America. In that case the person should not have been able to get one. and most all gun crime is from people who have stolen guns.

Inform yourself - frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

I totally get what you are saying and it makes sense on the surface, but the culture dynamics of the US in a broader sense do not allow for a widespread belief that guns should be banned just because criminals use them.

The US is a massive, socially diverse nation. So we see people who live near big cities take a look around them and determine that their corner of American society would be better without guns, while people who live outside of these areas do the same thing and determine that guns are of very little threat to them.

Here is the 2016 presidential voting map. It shows voting concentration and thus gun control beliefs...



The threat of crime, in a potential life altering sense, generally speaking, is limited to blue left wing parts of the nation. This is where the black socialist communities are at, where browns go to scam the generous welfare system (especially as it applies to illegal immigration) and where the whites are so afraid of speaking truths that they effectively brainwash one another into political correctness at all times. This is where the crime is at and very little meaningful action is taken to stop it due to law enforcement having their hands tied politically.

Then you look at the map outside of the blue areas and you see that US culture is overwhelmingly right wing in a geographical sense. And it is people in these areas who wonder why they should have to give up their guns essentially because blacks and browns -- whom they are almost entirely insulted from in red areas -- can't behave themselves. There is a lot of anger in these parts that whites in high population areas do not crack down on crime, often side with criminals, etc...

This is the actual source of gun control conflict in the US, but you won't see it framed out this way in the media.

Or it could be the people who want to ban guns are the most effected by gun violence. Just a thought. Less dramatic then yours but also way more likely to be accurate.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by slapass

Or it could be the people who want to ban guns are the most effected by gun violence.

That is exactly what I posted.