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Joe Sixpack · 04-20-2003, 05:46 PM

Ein Hundert!

gothweb · 04-20-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Now tell me how that makes me a nazi. I also admire Muhammad and Nero. Does that make me a maniacal christian hating nazi muslim?

I dont understand how you people function.

I didn't call you a Nazi. I just don't agree with your decision to glorify an evil person. In doing so, you glorify evil itself, even if you intend otherwise.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

In doing so, you glorify evil itself, even if you intend otherwise.

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
<a href=http://www.fletchxxx.com/mp3s/snakesofchrist.mp3>never sell evil for lies</a>

fixed link.

Triple 6 · 04-20-2003, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox

The fact that his anti-semitic actions and the Holocaust were plain wrong is not a part of this discussion.

WTF? You think you can just talk about Hitler as being so great and all without hearing about the holocaust, etc? I dont give a FUCK how great he was, his IQ, what he did for his nation in what amount of time, blah blah blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... the holocaust will ALWAYS be a part of the 'discussion' when you speak of Hitler.

Joe Sixpack · 04-20-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

I didn't call you a Nazi. I just don't agree with your decision to glorify an evil person. In doing so, you glorify evil itself, even if you intend otherwise.

It is possible to admire an evil person while not condoning their evil deeds.

Nobody is all evil just as nobody is all good.

gothweb · 04-20-2003, 05:50 PM

If evil is relative, then it boils down to this: Saying something is evil is disagreeing with the justifiability of doing it. It is irrational and inconsistent to advocate evil.

04-20-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

Do *you* think that Hitler was evil?

Hitler was driven by his beliefs, just like the muslim terrorist is driven to flight a fucking airplane into a building.

Evil? What is the definition of evil? Someone enlighten me. Evil is relative. Evil is what humans define it to be. There is always two sides to each coin, some think it was the right thing to do, other don't.

Hitler was emotional and determined. And he managed to motivate millions of others to follow his plan.

What I do not understand is how he could get his followers to believe that Jews were scum that deserved to be thrown in a ghetto, later gasses and burned to ashes. Mind blowing and shocking.

Triple 6 · 04-20-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

If I do, you will be one of the first to the ovens.

oooooooooooooooooo! Trying to cook?

Your pilot light is out, fool.

Keep on reaching!!!!!

cherrylula · 04-20-2003, 05:51 PM

Saddam's birthday bash kicks off in a week or so. I bet that's one hell of a party.

TDF · 04-20-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

fixed link.

rock on...danzig

Honeyslut · 04-20-2003, 05:52 PM

Rednecks don't have girlfriends that look like Caroline.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

rock on...whos the band?

the almighty Glenn Danzig.

just another Evil German.

except I know for a FACT he prefers Black and Asian girls.

;)

[Labret] · 04-20-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb

I didn't call you a Nazi. I just don't agree with your decision to glorify an evil person. In doing so, you glorify evil itself, even if you intend otherwise.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt goth all about embracing the subtle, or maybe not so subtle, beauty inherent in things of an "evil" nature?

So are you not accusing me of what your life revolves around? That being glorifying an aspect of evil you find appealing? Which would be glorifying evil.

TDF · 04-20-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

the almight Danzig.

just another Evil German.

;)

good band...for a german

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

good band...for a german

he lives up the road in Los Feliz. Not sure how often if at all he goes to Germany hahaha

;)

gothweb · 04-20-2003, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt goth all about embracing the subtle, or maybe not so subtle, beauty inherent in things of an "evil" nature?

So are you not accusing me of what your life revolves around? That being glorifying an aspect of evil you find appealing? Which would be glorifying evil.

The easy answer for me here would be just to take the opening and say "You are wrong." I think I can go a little farther...

Even those who wish to glorify what other people call "evil" do not, themselves, advocate that which they feel is evil. "Evil", if it is relative, means "the stuff I think people shouldn't do".

It just doesn't make sense to say "I should do what I shouldn't do."

Of course, if Evil isn't relative like that, then it is absolute. In that case, we each have our own opinion but only some of us are right. In that case, when we say evil, we mean "the thing I am guessing is actually absolutely evil".

nofx · 04-20-2003, 06:00 PM

danzig - mother

fnet · 04-20-2003, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
Hitler was truely a genius
(...)
1938 Times Man of the Year.
(...)
Hitler gave Germany the Autobahn
(...)
guts out.

Ah this whole genius thing. As you may have guessed there are more than a few genii in the world that make wondrous things possible.

The idea that a single individual could be responsible for all of it is hero worship.

Edison had over 1,000 patents; his muckers had none- until they left him. Not smarter than any of them. He was just a fuckin' name. *Many* scientific geniuses of fair conscience and free spirit fled Hitler and the Reich.

Individuals can deviate. Nazis can't; they ape and follow orders; they implement a program; they minimize invention, that organic peculiarity.

As we move from the industrial / machine age into the information age, great advances are born of individuals, or teams that could not function efficiently within nationalism.

The genius of hitler is an outgrowth of a particular age of technology.

04-20-2003, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by fnet

Ah this whole genius thing. As you may have guessed there are more than a few genii in the world that make wondrous things possible.

The idea that a single individual could be responsible for all of it is hero worship.

Edison had over 1,000 patents; his muckers had none- until they left him. Not smarter than any of them. He was just a fuckin' name. *Many* scientific geniuses of fair conscience and free spirit fled Hitler and the Reich.

Individuals can deviate. Nazis can't; they ape and follow orders; they implement a program; they minimize invention, that organic peculiarity.

As we move from the industrial / machine age into the information age, great advances are born of individuals, or teams that could not function efficiently within nationalism.

The genius of hitler is an outgrowth of a particular age of technology.

That is true. That's why W. von Braun and his crew willingly left post-war Germany to continue their great doings for the opposition. Fucking sellouts.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 06:10 PM

the most simple definition of evil is:

'Characterized by anger.'

anger keeps me focused.

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 06:28 PM

I don't really give a fuck about what people do to one another as long as it doesn't affect me, but this is evil.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 06:34 PM

<a href=http://www.dowhatthouwilt.com>'Do what Thou wilt, shall be the Whole of The Law.'</a>

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal
I don't really give a fuck about what people do to one another as long as it doesn't affect me, but this is evil.

are you some vegan, peta hippie too?

think about the number of chemicals in that computer you post from and what it toook to get there before you make such comments.

where will you 'throw it away.?'

'throw away society,' early chapter in FUTURE SHOCK ;)

LadyMischief · 04-20-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Hitler might have been charismatic, successful, and even a genius... but he was evil and insane. Anyone claiming to respect him is either evil themself, or-- much more likely-- an attention whore.

Any guesses which of these applies to Labret?

Actually, most of the truly great geniuses of history were also considered "evil" in one form or another. Part of the "downfall" of genius is that many people who are TRUE geniuses are also sociopaths. Sociopaths tend to be charismatic, confident, and "evil" in many ways. They have no "conscience" like a so-called normal person, therefore they don't view the things they do in the same light as everyone else. They don't see what they do as wrong in most cases. Trust me on this, I was married to a Mensa Sociopath. He could also sell a fridge to an eskimo without an extension cord.

LadyMischief · 04-20-2003, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox

Hitler was driven by his beliefs, just like the muslim terrorist is driven to flight a fucking airplane into a building.

Evil? What is the definition of evil? Someone enlighten me. Evil is relative. Evil is what humans define it to be. There is always two sides to each coin, some think it was the right thing to do, other don't.

Hitler was emotional and determined. And he managed to motivate millions of others to follow his plan.

What I do not understand is how he could get his followers to believe that Jews were scum that deserved to be thrown in a ghetto, later gasses and burned to ashes. Mind blowing and shocking.

The "sheep" mentality. You have to remember that people as a WHOLE are stupid and gullible. You can convince them to do just about anything as long as you are confident in yourself, your belief, and you can holler louder and more convincingly than everyone else.

LadyMischief · 04-20-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by fnet

Individuals can deviate. Nazis can't; they ape and follow orders; they implement a program; they minimize invention, that organic peculiarity.

Part of conditioning of the masses, the great propeganda machine. It really isn't that hard to condition people to do what you want to with them, with them as willing followers, if you know what you're doing.. Hitler/naziism was/is definitely proof that this works.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Hitler/naziism was/is definitely proof that this works.

translation:

Bush/Republicans was/is definitely proof that this works.

cept its flags instead of swastikas.

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

are you some vegan, peta hippie too?

think about the number of chemicals in that computer you post from and what it toook to get there before you make such comments.

where will you 'throw it away.?'

'throw away society,' early chapter in FUTURE SHOCK ;)

Plastics and electrical equipment can be manufactured without waste going into the environment - not saying that they are, but they can be, and animal testing is just laziness on the part of the manufacturers.

99% of artificial products can be tested straight on humans given enough knowledge of organic and biological chemistry, with little or no harm to the test subjects. We also have the ability to manufacture the same products with little or no waste and damage to the environment. The proof - clandestine chemists push the boundaries of drug production with deadly chemicals every day, and skilled ones can create brand new legal analogues whilst protecting their subjects and creating minimal waste and damage to the biomass.

Testing on helpless animals and environmental damage from industry are totally unnecessary and the fuck it up for everyone, and are just a function of the evil of corporate greed.

But that's getting a bit off topic.

gothweb · 04-20-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal

But that's getting a bit off topic.

Yep.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal

But that's getting a bit off topic.

youre the one who posted the animal testing as a definition of EVIL.

;)

LadyMischief · 04-20-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

translation:

Bush/Republicans was/is definitely proof that this works.

cept its flags instead of swastikas.

There are generally hundreds of instances of "proof" going on in the world at any one time ;)

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 07:36 PM

think about it when you toss your garbage out hippie.

http://www.svtc.org/hightech_prod/desktop.htm

you post messages from a machine that goes against your argument.

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
think about it when you toss your garbage out hippie.

http://www.svtc.org/hightech_prod/desktop.htm

you post messages from a machine that goes against your argument.

What's your point? We are all aware of the side effects of technology, I'm talking about minimisation of damage and not pinning down cats and inserting circuit boards into their heads. If you look at that chart, the bulk of the percentage weight of the PCs is recyclable; some of their recyclable indices are obviously wrong; and the only large proportion by weight which is not recyclable is silica, which can be smelted down and compressed. That's not counting the components which can be removed and reused as is. Not that they probably are, but they could be.

At least I don't live in a country which produces thousands of tons of nuclear waste every day.

Once again, though, that wasn't my point, my focus was on the morality of torturing animals for human gain. That to me is an almost universal example of evil.

[Labret] · 04-20-2003, 07:59 PM

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal

Once again, though, that wasn't my point, my focus was on the morality of torturing animals for human gain. That to me is an almost universal example of evil.

just because you drifted off into your PETA issues doesnt change the topic.

You were talking about Hitler and such, not animals.

You alone were the person who changed the topic to animals and scientific experiments.

your focus was off topic, dont try to side step now.

you brought it up, i was simply posting the ignorance behind your thoughts.

and i wont point it out again.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
evil

scientologists.

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
you brought it up, i was simply posting the ignorance behind your thoughts.

and i wont point it out again.

I was referring to the relativity of evil and insanity which came up earlier in the thread.

You were the one who posted the statistics that backed up my assertions, you were the one who brought out the peta hippie stuff... not me.

Ignorance? Maybe you should stick to the design and leave the science to those of us who have a little practical experience.

Bye.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 08:23 PM

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I was referring to the relativity of evil and insanity which came up earlier in the thread.

no you were reaching, and you fell.

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You were the one who posted the statistics that backed up my assertions,

and during your reeeeaching, i posted the stats that claim your hypocrisy scallywag.

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you were the one who brought out the peta hippie stuff... not me.

excuse me, i tend to point and laugh when i see hypocrites.

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Ignorance? Maybe you should stick to the design and leave the science to those of us who have a little practical experience.

you have no idea what i am educated in.

yet again you prove your ignorance.

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Bye.

i smile knowing how many times you will read this and WANT to reply, but will hold back to prove yourself.

hahaha

04-20-2003, 08:42 PM

I also think that hitler was a "genius".. but let me make myself clear, he was mad, just like any mad scientist.

the skill this man had to speak in public, to convince, to lift the spirits of the depressed.

for 1 man to take a shattered country and, with it, take over most of Europe... I am sorry, but if you dont call that pure "genius", then I dont know what is genius for you

nonetheless, he was mad. there is NO excuse for the holocaust. We cannot call it conquest, that is for sure...
he used in one of the speeches : "who remembers the armenians anyways?" (referring to the armenian genocide in 1915), this guy totally thought that what he was doing was right...

enough about hitler, time to watch some porn

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 08:45 PM

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no you were reaching, and you fell.

How is that reaching? I was under the impression that this was an open discussion and I fail to see how most people could construe pictures like that as anything but "evil."

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i posted the stats that claim your hypocrisy scallywag

But they don't, for two reasons: first, PCs are relatively recyclable in comparison with the detritus of other industries, and second, I was arguing from the perspective of morality and never mentioned the "green" issue in my initial post - you did, and so where is the "hypocrisy?"

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you have no idea what i am educated in

Evidently it's not chemistry, or statistics.

Honestly I don't see why you've got such a bee up your ass about this. I guess the reason that you have to introduce all the bullshit and make stuff up is because you realise that you can't back your statements up and you don't want to backpeddle.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 08:55 PM

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How is that reaching?

*points and laughs*

look, he's doing it again!

hahaha

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But they don't, for two reasons: first, PCs are relatively recyclable in comparison with the detritus of other industries, and second, I was arguing from the perspective of morality and never mentioned the "green" issue in my initial post - you did, and so where is the "hypocrisy?"

I post a link to the 'Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition' and you challenge their info?

Its funny to watch the un-educated challenge a team that specifies knowledge in this area.

http://www.svtc.org/hightech_prod/desktop.htm

Call em and tell them they are wrong you desktop chemical expert, youre a joke.

Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition 760 N. First Street San Jose, CA 95112 Phone: +1 408-287-6707

what a joke.

keep reaching boy.

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Evidently it's not chemistry, or statistics.

and you are? some guy sitting at home shooting off at the mouth is ALL YOU ARE.

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Honestly I don't see why you've got such a bee up your ass about this. I guess the reason that you have to introduce all the bullshit and make stuff up is because you realise that you can't back your statements up and you don't want to backpeddle.

i back my statements up with links.

you back it up by this so called education you dont have.

you challenge things you have no facts to back up.

you are the one with nothing to back up and keep back peddling.

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 08:57 PM

i thought you were leaving?

cant stop thinking about me?

hahaha

Fletch XXX · 04-20-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal

Bye.

just another puppet in a room full of marionettes.

jimmyf · 04-20-2003, 09:02 PM

Hitler and anyone that thinks he was good for any fucking thing. Some of you will look back when you get older and think (if you have anything left to think with by then) and say god but wasn't I a fucked up mess when I was young.

Hilter

and his kind

chodadog · 04-20-2003, 09:04 PM

For some reason, this thread comes to mind when reading this post. In that thread, everyone was so quick to mention that he was being praised for his skills as a director, and the fact that he was a child rapist in no way should take away from that.

When you mention Hitler, the first thing that pops into everyone's head is the final solution. The fact is, Hitler led a very interesting life, and there is much more to him than merely the final solution. What he did to Germany in a matter of years was simply incredible.

So i ask this; why is it okay to praise a child rapist as a brilliant director, but not to praise a genocidal mass murderer as a brilliant politician?

jimmyf · 04-20-2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Lethal

Evidently it's not chemistry, or statistics.

Honestly I don't see why you've got such a bee up your ass about this. I guess the reason that you have to introduce all the bullshit and make stuff up is because you realise that you can't back your statements up and you don't want to backpeddle.

Why don't you start a thread on your peta peda agenda or what ever it is. Way post shit like that when people are posting about the mad man Hilter.

Do you fuck Goats? I'm Serious do you?

Lethal · 04-20-2003, 09:16 PM

You are linking to statistics that you clearly can't read to prove a point that doesn't even relate to my initial argument. Somehow you've managed to go off on a tangent and leave the original point far in the distance, and you just keep pointing to your little table of data which is irrelevant without a context in which to analyze it.

A high post count and abuse are a poor substitute for logical debate, and it seems pointless tying to argue with someone who focuses on the former. Why even bother?

AWW - Kevin · 04-20-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
So i ask this; why is it okay to praise a child rapist as a brilliant director, but not to praise a genocidal mass murderer as a brilliant politician?

neither of them should be praised

chodadog · 04-20-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by AWW - Kevin

neither of them should be praised

I think Hitler was evil, but his achievements are undeniable. I'd personally take a bat to someone like Roman Polanski's head if he came within 20 feet of my family, but the fact remains, he's a great director.

04-20-2003, 09:33 PM

einhundert und fuenfzig !

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buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	I also think that hitler was a "genius".. but let me make myself clear, he was mad, just like any mad scientist. the skill this man had to speak in public, to convince, to lift the spirits of the depressed. for 1 man to take a shattered country and, with it, take over most of Europe... I am sorry, but if you dont call that pure "genius", then I dont know what is genius for you nonetheless, he was mad. there is NO excuse for the holocaust. We cannot call it conquest, that is for sure... he used in one of the speeches : "who remembers the armenians anyways?" (referring to the armenian genocide in 1915), this guy totally thought that what he was doing was right... enough about hitler, time to watch some porn

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Lethal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 494	You are linking to statistics that you clearly can't read to prove a point that doesn't even relate to my initial argument. Somehow you've managed to go off on a tangent and leave the original point far in the distance, and you just keep pointing to your little table of data which is irrelevant without a context in which to analyze it. A high post count and abuse are a poor substitute for logical debate, and it seems pointless tying to argue with someone who focuses on the former. Why even bother?

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