Germany Passes "Orwellian" Anti-Free-Speech "Facebook Law"

[wehateporn]

The writing has been on the wall for months, but German lawmakers have now passed a controversial law under which Facebook, Twitter, and other social media companies could face fines of up to ?50 million ($57 million) for failing to remove hate speech.

As AP reports, the measure approved is designed to enforce the country?s existing limits on speech, including the long-standing ban on Holocaust denial. Among other things, it would fine social networking sites if they persistently fail to remove illegal content within a week, including defamatory ?fake news.?

?Freedom of speech ends where the criminal law begins,? said Justice Minister Heiko Maas, who was the driving force behind the bill.

Under the law, social media companies would face steep fines for failing to remove ?obviously illegal? content ? including hate speech, defamation, and incitements to violence ? within 24 hours. They would face an initial fine of ?5 million, which could rise to ?50 million. Web companies would have up to one week to decide on cases that are less clear cut.

Aside from the hefty fine for companies, the law also provides for fines of up to 5 million euros for the person each company designates to deal with the complaints procedure if it doesn?t meet requirements.

Social networks also have to publish a report every six months detailing how many complaints they received and how they dealt with them.

Maas said official figures showed the number of hate crimes in Germany increased by over 300 percent in the last two years.

But human rights experts and the companies affected warn that the law risks privatising the process of censorship and could have a chilling effect on free speech.

Continued Germany Passes "Orwellian" Anti-Free-Speech "Facebook Law" | Zero Hedge

[NewNick]

So whats wrong with online companies having some responsibility ?

Newspapers are responsible for what they print. TV is responsible for what it broadcasts.

Facebook, Google, Apple et al are businesses, and these companies have created a whole new level of power and profitability based on them being "platforms" that are not responsible for their users content.

Beheadings and fatal shooting can broadcast live, yet nipples are banned !

Dont you see the irony of these companies stirring up all you conspiracy idiots on the free speech bandwagon ?

This isnt about free speech, its about free money for the new power brokers. Wake up WHP.

[pimpmaster9000]

oooooooh noooooooo! multi billion dollar companies will have to curate their content? noooooo!

[Paul Markham]

I agree and disagree with New Nick.

Agree that the companies putting out such material should be banned, then disagree if this law goes too far.

[CoolMikey]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

oooooooh noooooooo! multi billion dollar companies will have to curate their content? noooooo!

Problem is that "obviously illegal" is often not so obvious. For example a phrase like "deport all immigrants!" could be just someone's harmless opinion, while someone else could consider it "hate speech."

[just a punk]

But wait... they now allow homosexuals to marry each other.

[notinmybackyard]

I've got a lot of fake facebook accounts and a handful of them are blue tick verified. The only thing I use them for is making money and don't give a damn what laws Germany passes. Stupid horny men will give up their money if you make their cocks hard.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Germany has a Hitler-Nazi legacy -- they fear the results of hate speech.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by CoolMikey

Problem is that "obviously illegal" is often not so obvious. For example a phrase like "deport all immigrants!" could be just someone's harmless opinion, while someone else could consider it "hate speech."

there is no perfect solution...but something has to be done...hate speech leads directly to violence and war/civil war...there are courts where one can argue his case afterwards if they feel it was not hate speech...

[mineistaken]

Traitor Scum Merkel.

[TheSquealer]

its fine on the surface to "remove hate speech" except that the reality is that people are so fucking stupid that ISIS can call for the murder of a billion people and thats fine, but those who criticize them will get in trouble for "hate speech".

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

its fine on the surface to "remove hate speech" except that the reality is that people are so fucking stupid that ISIS can call for the murder of a billion people and thats fine, but those who criticize them will get in trouble for "hate speech".

[CaptainHowdy]

About time? I mean, for how long they have been teasing us with an orwellian world?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I agree and disagree with New Nick.

Agree that the companies putting out such material should be banned, then disagree if this law goes too far.

the point is that freedom of speech ends at the point where it influences other peoples freedom.

public calls to crimes or racism are illegal in germany - many of the things you guys write here would bring you to jail in germany - that would maybe help some of this haters to think about consequences BEFORE they are really kill someone.

US jails are FULL with people what have started their criminal career with just words.
people like oppoteen i.e. would never see the sun again in germany.

[Bladewire]

Finally!

Putin shills pretending to be Americans, and other nationalities online, to spread hate and lies, will finally get harder. Russian trolls fucked it up for everyone the last couple years, so did the alt right, registering thousands of fake black social media accounts to spread lieas and hate.

Finally! You guys fucked it up for everyone else just like you fucked up GFY.

GFY is a microcosm of what hateful destructive trash an unmonitored online community can be when fake hate Putin & alt-right trolls are let loose to shit their diarrhea with no accountability.

[czarina]

I agree! People are bashing and humiliating others and nobody was doing anything about it, and the worst part is that they're doing it while hiding behind the social media sites.
If someone has something hateful to say, they can write it on their house walls or their car windows, or carry a sign saying in big letters whatever it is they want to say. If it's that important that they HAVE to make it public, then why hide online and not do it in person?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by czarina

I agree! People are bashing and humiliating others and nobody was doing anything about it, and the worst part is that they're doing it while hiding behind the social media sites.
If someone has something hateful to say, they can write it on their house walls or their car windows, or carry a sign saying in big letters whatever it is they want to say. If it's that important that they HAVE to make it public, then why hide online and not do it in person?

and that´s exactly the reason for this law because internet can not be a playfield for psychos and haters.
it can not be left uncontrolled because we all see where that leads to.

and no american shall tell me that we have a lost of freedom.
i prefer to be stopped by a german police officer as by an american. when i go though german security and i don´t like it i CAN complain it - you guys can not because you will end up a night in jail.

before we talk about freedom we should talk about UNDERSTANDING that freedom have a limit.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Traitor Scum Merkel.

[MaDalton]

and of course psychopaths like wehatebrain do not like laws like this - it stops them from spreading their insane agenda

[hjnet]

The only question here that really matters is -> Who decides what's "hate speech"?

Is it an official court that makes it's decision based on the actual law? Or is it i.e. Facebook?

If it's not an official institution than it opens the gates for censorship, everything that's not mainstream could be "hatespeech" or "fake news"...

[C H R I S]

Good for Germany. If only GFY had such laws.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

Good for Germany. If only GFY had such laws.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Traitor Scum Merkel.

Anything that comes a step closer to locking your Nazi ass up is a good thing.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Anything that comes a step closer to locking your Nazi ass up is a good thing.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by czarina

I agree! People are bashing and humiliating others and nobody was doing anything about it, and the worst part is that they're doing it while hiding behind the social media sites.
If someone has something hateful to say, they can write it on their house walls or their car windows, or carry a sign saying in big letters whatever it is they want to say. If it's that important that they HAVE to make it public, then why hide online and not do it in person?

Do true.

Verified real people us the key.

All the social media platforms let all the fake accounts get setup in the "platform wars" of the last 10 years to be the biggest platform. Now they all need to clean house and verify because it's been abused, which sucks. Putin weaponized anoninimity so now anoninimity and free speech are under fire, just what the NWO wants

[wehateporn]

[thommy]

Originally Posted by hjnet

The only question here that really matters is -> Who decides what's "hate speech"?

Is it an official court that makes it's decision based on the actual law? Or is it i.e. Facebook?

If it's not an official institution than it opens the gates for censorship, everything that's not mainstream could be "hatespeech" or "fake news"...

well that law can not tell facebook how they can act but if there is any content what is not allowed it is an official institution to ask them to take it down.
actually that institution was existing before but they had no power to force them to take it down.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Germany has a Hitler-Nazi legacy -- they fear the results of hate speech.

well - we have learned our lesson (at least the majority)

nobody wants a trump or even something more evil than that in europe.

but we also do not want to slide into a situation where 2 parties tells us we have freedom of speech (and believe me an individual have MUCH more rights in Germany as an individual in USA).

have you seen what macron did today?

he is going to change the election law so that more small parties have the chance to get involved in the french politics. THIS is what i call work on the roots of the problem.

this guy is fucking smart because he understood that it leads to the opposite when you try to keep minorities out. i said it already a few times but i think I can´t say it often enough: This is what trump was good for - Europe woke up!

btw: the source where ihatemyself was linking the picture is know as extreme right source such a source what are for "freedom of THEIR speech" - sure that this kind of assholes are not amused when their lies becoming now officially a crime.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truthfeed/

[Joshua G]

ironic how the dumb libs support this, considering the liberal PC left is the biggest hustler of fake news & hate speech in the USA.

if this were law in the USA, the entire mainstream corporate media, CNN, huffpost, mother jones, would all be criminals going to jail. most college professors & hollywood actors would join them in jail too. madonna wants to blow up the white house? throw her in the can!

idiots.

nice job supporting such crap on the july 4 holiday, of all times.

dumb libs.

[Joshua G]

thats the problem, dumb libs. what is real world to you is fake news to the other side. & vice versa.

so basically you dumb libs admit you support totalitarianism. not freedom.

fucking morons. use july 4th to get a clue on US history & the first amendment.

[escorpio]

I'll hate whatever I want.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

thats the problem, dumb libs. what is real world to you is fake news to the other side. & vice versa.

so basically you dumb libs admit you support totalitarianism. not freedom.

fucking morons. get a clue on US history & the first amendment.

what history can you show in compare to other nations ?

the history how to fuck up the world?

the history loosing wars against farmers ?

the history creating terrorism ?

the history having the most murders ?

the history having the highest national dept?

or the history of letting mentally sick people like you walking around free?

i tell you what - you are a SHAME for your nation and the next generation will spit on your grave.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by escorpio

I'll hate whatever I want.

...

[spads]

Originally Posted by thommy

..(and believe me an individual have MUCH more rights in Germany as an individual in USA).

Aside from drinking in public I'm having a hard time figuring out what freedoms you're referring to. Germany is the country where you're fined for not recycling. US has more freedom when it comes to marijuana use. The US also has much better gun rights. Driving licenses in the US cost $60 at most and are easy to get versus the $1000-1500 it costs in Germany.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

well - we have learned our lesson (at least the majority)

nobody wants a trump or even something more evil than that in europe.

but we also do not want to slide into a situation where 2 parties tells us we have freedom of speech (and believe me an individual have MUCH more rights in Germany as an individual in USA).

have you seen what macron did today?

he is going to change the election law so that more small parties have the chance to get involved in the french politics. THIS is what i call work on the roots of the problem.

this guy is fucking smart because he understood that it leads to the opposite when you try to keep minorities out. i said it already a few times but i think I can´t say it often enough: This is what trump was good for - Europe woke up!

btw: the source where ihatemyself was linking the picture is know as extreme right source such a source what are for "freedom of THEIR speech" - sure that this kind of assholes are not amused when their lies becoming now officially a crime.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/truthfeed/

In Holland they want to ban the smaller parties by introducing a minimum of votes. That is cause there are too many parties (they say) and they can't form a majority at this moment. But i agree, the system in the USA is bad, better if all people have some to say what direction to go.

Hitler also hated it when you critized him, they would lock you up and torture you to death. He could have invented that 'hate' speech law.

And look what they did in Holland, important statistics of crime committed by refugees wasn't open for public. After a newspaper started proceeding they had to give it in the end...

That 'hate speech' doesn't come from nothing. There is a reason people talk bad. Now again in Sweden, a festival is cancelled cause there where rapes and sexual abuse.... That hate is triggered. And as long you don't solve that (and it showed they can't) 'hate' speech is not going anywhere. It is just ment to shut people up.

The refugee problem is the most dangerous thing in Europe at this moment.

[Barry-xlovecam]

No, I didn't get into the latest Macron proposals.
Multi party proposals will not work in the USA unless there are candidates in the Congressional races.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by thommy

...
he is going to change the election law so that more small parties have the chance to get involved in the french politics. THIS is what i call work on the roots of the problem.

this guy is fucking smart because he understood that it leads to the opposite when you try to keep minorities out. i said it already a few times but i think I can´t say it often enough: This is what trump was good for - Europe woke up!

And he start political repression against opposition in election which can real influence in the French politics.

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen has been placed under formal investigation over an alleged European parliament funding scandal.
Ms Le Pen says the case is politically motivated
Ms Le Pen was soundly beaten by Emmanuel Macron, by 66% to 34%. She later won a seat in the French parliament in legislative elections.
France's Marine Le Pen charged over funding scandal - BBC News

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by spads

Aside from drinking in public I'm having a hard time figuring out what freedoms you're referring to. Germany is the country where you're fined for not recycling. US has more freedom when it comes to marijuana use. The US also has much better gun rights. Driving licenses in the US cost $60 at most and are easy to get versus the $1000-1500 it costs in Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

death per 100k inhabitants/vehicles US vs. Germany: 100% more in the US (and Germany has partly no speed limit on the highways)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

death per capita through guns: 600% to 1000% more or so - too lazy to calculate


you = idiot

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sarn

And he start political repression against opposition in election which can real influence in the French politics.

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen has been placed under formal investigation over an alleged European parliament funding scandal.
Ms Le Pen says the case is politically motivated
Ms Le Pen was soundly beaten by Emmanuel Macron, by 66% to 34%. She later won a seat in the French parliament in legislative elections.
France's Marine Le Pen charged over funding scandal - BBC News

you mean Ms. Le Pen that got money borrowed by Putin?

I'm sure he's still pissed his plan for France didn't work out

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

you mean Ms. Le Pen that got money borrowed by Putin?
I'm sure he's still pissed his plan for France didn't work out

It is only justification political repression. Blaming Putin and do what want.
Merkel before own election even ban freedom speech in Germany. Apply censorship, ministry of truth soon will established))

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sarn

It is only justification political repression. Blaming Putin and do what want.
Merkel before own election even ban freedom speech in Germany. Apply censorship, ministry of truth soon will established))

i really really have a hard time deciphering what you are saying...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by spads

Aside from drinking in public I'm having a hard time figuring out what freedoms you're referring to. Germany is the country where you're fined for not recycling. US has more freedom when it comes to marijuana use. The US also has much better gun rights. Driving licenses in the US cost $60 at most and are easy to get versus the $1000-1500 it costs in Germany.

well you do have one quarter of the worlds prison population...per 100.000 people you out-incarcerate north korea even with their "whole family and grandchildren and their children" policy they can not fill prisons like the USA...oh and in the USA the sheriff can fine you if you do not mow your own lawn...WTF?...healthcare? LOL free is not the word that comes to mind student debt in germany: 2 schnitzels....student debt in the USA 1.2 trillion$...US politics? 1 party more than a dictatorship LOL...military? global racket paid out of your own pockets...

europe is free...the USA is not...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

i really really have a hard time deciphering what you are saying...

Macron's repression against Le Pen can't have justification, as pre election Merkel's censorship too.
Even if to blame Putin on that
Populism with little political parties absolutely not linked with democracy.
https://ria.ru/world/20170614/1496439046.html

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Macron's repression against Le Pen can't have justification, as pre election Merkel's censorship too.
Even if to blame Putin on that
Populism with little political parties absolutely not linked with democracy.
https://ria.ru/world/20170614/1496439046.html

sorry, not helping

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

sorry, not helping

Yes Putin finances Le Pen

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Yes Putin finances Le Pen

you got that correct

James Clapper, the then director of national intelligence, wrote in a letter dated 28 November that the Front National ?publicly acknowledged that it had received a $9.8m loan from a Russian bank with links to the Kremlin, allegedly brokered by a sanctioned Russian Duma deputy, according to French press reports?.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-pen-in-moscow

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by StefanG

you got that correct
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-pen-in-moscow

it Putin's trolling - this meeting). Nothing bad with credit for Le Pen, i am not see, it legal action and information about this is opened.

Macron not have big difference with Trump, maybe only other terminology on his speech.

Macron, Standing Alongside Putin, Says Russian Media Spread 'Falsehoods'(fakenewsss!!)
The French president accused Russia Today and Sputnik of being ?agents of influence.?
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...luence/528480/

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Sarn

The French president accused Russia Today and Sputnik of being ?agents of influence.?
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...luence/528480/

and you will tell me now they are not?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Thanks Trump ... (he is not the only one to blame however)

[Y]et three visits to Germany by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang to date, the latest just last month, suggest the two nations are aligned on stepping more broadly into a space that the U.S. has, at least temporarily, left vacant under Trump’s presidency.

“China and Germany’s new closeness is something that happened because of the Trump episode,” said Diego Ramiro Guelar, ambassador to Beijing for G-20 member Argentina. “The two most important leaders in the world are President Xi and Chancellor Merkel at the moment.”

Panda Diplomacy

Ties between China and Germany have been strengthening for years, driven by common economic interests and unobstructed by the kinds of geopolitical rivalries that were complicating relations between Beijing and Washington long before Trump’s election. Germany needs markets for its high-end industrial machinery and motor vehicles, and China wants them -- so much so it bought German robotics company Kuka AG. ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ermany-step-up

Previously, I always scoffed off the decline and fall of the US American *empire*. Seems that the *America First* policy is a fail very 'BIGLY'.

Happy Birthday USA! 4, July 2017

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Thanks Trump ... (he is not the only one to blame however)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ermany-step-up

Previously, I always scoffed off the decline and fall of the US American *empire*. Seems that the *America First* policy is a fail very 'BIGLY'.

Now that US is temporarily under Zionist control, the Globalists are using other powerful Globalist-controlled nations to push and steer the Globalist agendas