News Congress aproves Russia santions... Will Trump ?

[VRPdommy]

As I had mentioned on a thread June 28,
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...l#post21858808

NY Times is reporting that Congress will pass additional sanctions on Russia for the meddling of the US elections in 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/u...ns-russia.html

Yes, telling times are a com'n....
I believe he will sign it. It would be brutal for himself to veto.
Especially if there are enough votes to over-ride it.
He could veto and say that the sanctions are not tough enough on Iran which is also included in the legislation. ( a likely option )

Unless he really thinks he can pardon himself !

It was the tough sanctions for Crimea imposed by Obama that were targeting the Russian MOB and not the people of Russia that affected Trumps biz with the Russian money laundering. So it just makes this a good entertainment session.

When (not if) Trump falls, the GOP will blame everything on him to save face with the voters as blaming Obama is falling short at this point and Pence is already 'their man'.
The question is, will they be able to delay the final fall-out till after the mid-terms.
I doubt trumps tweets will allow them the time. They may need to save face before the mid-terms.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Very clever packaging of a sanctions bill that has bipartisan support.

Trump has a choice here -- America First or Trump First.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Very clever packaging of a sanctions bill that has bipartisan support.

Trump has a choice here -- America First or Trump First.

i think none of us two will bet for the first option :-)

[wehateporn]

USA are the ones that everyone else should put sanctions on

[Barry-xlovecam]

^^^
1. The world cannot afford the cost.
2. That would only be in support of Trump's xenophobia and nationalism.

It amounts to cutting your nose off to spite your face -- usually a bad move.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^
1. The world cannot afford the cost.
2. That would only be in support of Trump's xenophobia and nationalism.

It amounts to cutting your nose off to spite your face -- usually a bad move.

This is the difficulty, everyone would need to gang up together, because sanctions are an act of war in themselves. US interferes with everyone's elections, so they are the ones who really deserve punishment, nobody else, but as you point out it ain't going to happen.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

This is the difficulty, everyone would need to gang up together, because sanctions are an act of war in themselves. US interferes with everyone's elections, so they are the ones who really deserve punishment, nobody else, but as you point out it ain't going to happen.

that´s right but trump changed here already a lot - and what he have changed is NOT in favor of USA.

he forced the rest of the world to unite in questions of trade, environment, war deccisons and much more.

the world know that he is not reliable and what he says today can be opposite tomorrow.

who wants to alliance with such a nightmare?

in europe there was this right move also but since trump it is gone.
even EU is more united as they have been before and they learned what will happen to a country with the devil on it´s thrown.

US have already build the biggest wall in their history - even when the wall to mexico is not done yet (and will never be done).
this is the wall of obvious populism, protectionism and short term thinking.

the world will change from now on day by day and USA has jumped of this train into future because they are still in the dream that oil will make the world go round.

but oil will play a smaller role day by day and that´s good because it will prevent wars around oil and fossile energy.
in 20 years USA will sit on the largest stock fossile energy and the biggest pipelines for a product what nobody wants anymore.

but 20 years for trump means it is a time when he will not live anymore.
that is why he does only care things what are profitable for him in his lifetime.
he gives a fuck on the time after him.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

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It was the tough sanctions for Crimea imposed by Obama that were targeting the Russian MOB and not the people of Russia that affected Trumps biz with the Russian money laundering. So it just makes this a good entertainment session.

Against mobs? You are kidding Where you read it?

Russian Billionaires, Including Several Tied To Putin, Are Up $104 Billion In The Last Year
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...res-oligarchs/

It sanctions against people, as an example in Crimea they can't register domains in ICANN. As I think they will go to black hat(hackers, viruses, ransomware) and go to mobs)
In Ukraine want to kill them, the USA wants them to suffer.
We will grow an anti-American generation in the next 20 years.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

...
When (not if) Trump falls, the GOP will blame everything on him to save face with the voters as blaming Obama is falling short at this point and Pence is already 'their man'.
The question is, will they be able to delay the final fall-out till after the mid-terms.
I doubt trumps tweets will allow them the time. They may need to save face before the mid-terms.

It is not so important. Most important to break US power structure. From presidential to the Parliamentary structure. After it will easy buy congressmen's, give all 500 guys 1 000 000$ and all problem solved )) Now Congress tried capture power in foreign policy and in external defense and even in sanction(foreign economy policy).



Congress claws back power from Trump
The budget agreement includes several provisions designed to rein in the president.

But with the other, less-noticed provisions, Congress is also asserting itself as a counterweight to the authority of the commander in chief. The omnibus funding bill strikes at Trump the most when it comes to foreign policy and national defense — an arena where he’s espoused unorthodox views outside the mainstream of both parties.
Congress claws back power from Trump - POLITICO

Senators will write a bill with stiff sanctions for Russia and limited powers for Trump
Senate sanctions bill targets Russia, presidential powers - Washington Times

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Against mobs? You are kidding Where you read it?

It sanctions against people, as an example in Crimea they can't register domains in ICANN. As I think they will go to black hat(hackers, viruses, ransomware) and go to mobs)
In Ukraine want to kill them, the USA wants them to suffer.
We will grow an anti-American generation in the next 20 years.

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Obama sanctions targeted those who make money from the offense.
Those sanctions came at the advice of Putin/Russian opposition.
Yes it does have a effect on people. How could it not.
But they had the most impact on the money machine profiting from it. Limiting the growth.
And obviously, it had a major effect.

[pimpmaster9000]

oh no russia will run out of apple products

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

USA are the ones that everyone else should put sanctions on

You really do hate America. You post anti American conspiracy theories here daily. You're obsessed in your hate.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

This is the difficulty, everyone would need to gang up together, because sanctions are an act of war in themselves. US interferes with everyone's elections, so they are the ones who really deserve punishment, nobody else, but as you point out it ain't going to happen.

What country were you born in? Where do you live now, are you an immigrant Muslim to the UK or something else? Your country isn't listed in your profile. You constantly bitch and moan about Europe & the west.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Obama sanctions targeted those who make money from the offense.
Those sanctions came at the advice of Putin/Russian opposition.
Yes it does have a effect on people. How could it not.
But they had the most impact on the money machine profiting from it. Limiting the growth.
And obviously, it had a major effect.

Where you read this?
Russian "opposition" help create "secret" list Magnitski(Magnitsky Act) and add in open part famous pro-Putin politicians and in secret part "businessman's (mobs)" for blackmail them on money for removal from this list. The effect, of course, has - devaluation currency makes Putin and his clan most richer in 200% because they make money in $ not in local currency.
Local businessman's go to bankruptcy, Putin's mobs buy and monopolized all local business by the cheap price, Putin's fighting against private property continues. As an example, Putin's mobs buy all retail networks of food. Who control food - control population.
One who lost money it is people, and they will hate the USA soon because of sanction and Putin monopolized media too.
This hate will convert to military or mobs.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

oh no russia will run out of apple products

Now FSB which controls border monopolized contraband apple from Poland comrades
Apples was banned from Russia)

[Barry-xlovecam]

The USA needs no Russian imports.

Except Trump -- he needs your laundered money I guess ...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The USA needs no Russian imports.
Except Trump -- he needs your laundered money I guess ...

Putin will cut you from him uranium power plant in USA
Only Rochard have green energy now

[beerptrol]

Depends on how hard it hits his russian backers. His business is propped up by dirty Russian money

[crockett]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

This is the difficulty, everyone would need to gang up together, because sanctions are an act of war in themselves. US interferes with everyone's elections, so they are the ones who really deserve punishment, nobody else, but as you point out it ain't going to happen.

So is hacking elections, invading another country and stealing their land..

Russia started this war if that's what you choose to call it. Don't cry now that your getting bitch slapped.

[Sarn]

'Who Will We Blame For Genocide Then?' Ukraine's Depopulation Gets Poles Anxious

The UN's recent population prognoses make worrying reading for Poles; after being disturbed by the forecast sharp fall in the Polish population, they have turned their attention to the "turbo-depopulation" of neighboring Ukraine, which could have serious geopolitical consequences.

The latest UN population forecasts make for grim reading in Poland, which forecast that the country's population will shrink by 44 percent to just over 21 million by the end of the century. By 2050, Polish society will be one of the oldest in the EU, with a median age of 50, the fifth-highest in the bloc.

Indeed, the demographic projections of neighboring Ukraine are a bigger problem for Poland than the falling number of Poles, Polish military expert Andrzey Talaga, director of strategy at Warsaw Enterprise Institute, warned in an op-ed piece for Poland's Rzeczpospolita daily.

"The situation in Ukraine looks fatal. The UN placed it along with Poland in the group of countries most at risk from depopulation. We have similarly very low birthrates. However, there are so many differences between our countries that the consequences of depopulation for Ukraine will be quite different," Talaga wrote.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20170...ation-decline/

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Very clever packaging of a sanctions bill that has bipartisan support.

Trump has a choice here -- America First or Trump First.

Boths sides are fucking idiots,jerking over Putin for no reason instead of going after the terrorists. I could not believe that they equated Russia to N.Korea... Did the American got so retarded that even their insane president has enough brains to veto this stupidity while they are singing dixie over the Soviet Union which does not exist for almost 30 years....?

....it is hard to say which side is more stupid, but hey dumb and dumber is American congress and the senate new motto.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by crockett

So is hacking elections, invading another country and stealing their land..

Russia started this war if that's what you choose to call it. Don't cry now that your getting bitch slapped.

Hacked ??? my ass !!! you will worry about some made up story nobody can prove, yet ignore the fact the that Russians are the ONLY real vanguard against Islamic extremists...so fucking stupid...You call maybe some hack into Clinton's e mail a war ? Even more stupid even if it was the truth.

..and who did they invide ? Crimea? Read your history...but why argue with idiots.I am done here..

[celandina]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

USA are the ones that everyone else should put sanctions on

Why? They are so stupid they are destroying themselves...why bother with sanctions.

[Barry-xlovecam]

WASHINGTON ? The White House indicated on Sunday that President Trump would accept new legislation imposing sanctions on Russia and curtailing his authority to lift them on his own, ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/u...sanctions.html

Between a rock and a hard place ...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by celandina

Why? They are so stupid they are destroying themselves...why bother with sanctions.

We tried to stop them

EU sounds alarm, urges U.S. to coordinate on Russia sanctions
EU sounds alarm, urges U.S. to coordinate on Russia sanctions | Reuters

Meddling EU warn US against Russia sanctions to avoid America-German row over energy deal
US Russia sanctions - EU warning to avoid Germany Nord Stream 2 row | World | News | Express.co.uk

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/23/u...sanctions.html

Between a rock and a hard place ...

I was just going to post that. Huckabee Sanders confirmed this morning that Trump would be signing the sanctions.

[Sarn]

German justice minister open for EU sanctions against Poland
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c0fef692f74a

Hungary?s Viktor Orbán pledges to support Poland against EU ?inquisition?
Hungary’s Viktor Orbán pledges to support Poland against EU ‘inquisition’ – POLITICO

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Where you read this?
Russian "opposition" help create "secret" list Magnitski(Magnitsky Act) and add in open part famous pro-Putin politicians and in secret part "businessman's (mobs)" for blackmail them on money for removal from this list. The effect, of course, has - devaluation currency makes Putin and his clan most richer in 200% because they make money in $ not in local currency.
Local businessman's go to bankruptcy, Putin's mobs buy and monopolized all local business by the cheap price, Putin's fighting against private property continues. As an example, Putin's mobs buy all retail networks of food. Who control food - control population.
One who lost money it is people, and they will hate the USA soon because of sanction and Putin monopolized media too.
This hate will convert to military or mobs.

Well, if Putin and his gang are making 200% now via other means since most of the targeted sanctions 'froze' assets, so they can't get to the money here and perhaps some of the EU . Hence cutting off Trump's Launder-mat.
...

But Trump still seems hell bent on getting rid of Obama's sanctions as well as the new sanctions in some kind of deal. He has mentioned it many times in a low-key way.
Wish I knew what that was, but he has to sell it to Congress... So I guess we will find out sometime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-legislation/

?The administration is supportive of being tough on Russia, particularly in putting these sanctions in place,? Sanders said. ?The original piece of legislation was poorly written, but we were able to work with the House and Senate, and the administration is happy with the ability to do that and make those changes that were necessary, and we support where the legislation is now.?

She continued: ?We will continue working with the House and Senate to put those tough sanctions in place on Russia until the situation in Ukraine is fully resolved.?

[Sarn]

Scaramucci Contradicts Trump Team on Russia Sanctions, Pardons
The incoming White House communications director contradicted Trump’s top spokeswoman and his lawyer on two key issues.

Scaramucci rebutted Sanders’ account. Appearing on CNN’s State of the Union, Scaramucci said “it’s my second or third day on the job” but “[Trump] hasn’t made the decision yet to sign that bill one way or the other.”
Scaramucci Contradicts Trump Team on Russia Sanctions, Pardons

[pimpmaster9000]

Oh noooo oligarchs will not have diamonds on the bottom of all their shoes now...oh snap...you got them good...

[bronco67]

This is a losing situation no matter how he decides.

If he signs it, then he has to worry about Putin unleashing Trump's dirty secrets, or whatever the fuck he has on Trump to make him swing off Putin's nutsack.

If he doesn't sign it....that might actually be the best path. Republicans haven't turned on him yet, so I don't expect it top happen when he thinks Russia should get a free pass for doing what they did.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Well, if Putin and his gang are making 200% now via other means since most of the targeted sanctions 'froze' assets, so they can't get to the money here and perhaps some of the EU . Hence cutting off Trump's Launder-mat.
...

Switzerland had approved sanction after one week after EU. They had wait when Putin withdraw money into Asia, Singapore. As I hear it Monaco not approve sanction too.
"Little" mobs, of course, lost money and stay more dependent from Putin.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

...
But Trump still seems hell bent on getting rid of Obama's sanctions as well as the new sanctions in some kind of deal. He has mentioned it many times in a low-key way.
Wish I knew what that was, but he has to sell it to Congress... So I guess we will find out sometime.
...

If Trump will subscribe this sanction he cut power for himself in foreign policy.
After he will not have interesting for all. All will be work with congress and lobbyists directly.