slapass

Game changer

kane

The future is now.

CoolMikey

Yea, but that's when driven in perfect weather, like a granny and downhill on top of that. In more realistic conditions you are looking at probably half that.

And that's when the car is brand new, few years in and the battery will hold fraction of the charge. Just look how quickly your cellphone batteries (which use pretty much the same li-ion technology) depreciate. Then you are kinda fucked, either you replace the batteries which will cost an arm and a leg, or hope you can offload your <100 mile range car to some idiot.

So it might be usable for getting to and from work, but not exactly a replacement for gas powered cars just yet.

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kane

The car comes with an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty on the batteries. That seems fair.

CoolMikey

If you read the fine print though, they offer warranty that battery will hold some charge, but admit that the battery will lose charge over time.

This is what it says exactly in their warranty terms:

"The Battery, like all lithium-ion batteries, will experience gradual energy or power loss with time and use. Loss of Battery energy or power over time or due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this Battery Limited Warranty."

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/...rranty_2.1.pdf

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Barry-xlovecam

Most new buyers will trade in their old Tesla for a new Tesla model or another EMV (EV) model in 4 or 5 years.

How about rebuilding or replacing automatic transmissions on a gas powered car? That's cheap? LOL. Electric Vehicles have no transmission to replace and no exhaust or ... get the picture?

If new battery packs are $3K or $4K what is the difference?

Replacing electric drive motors and their mileage/km expectancy?

CoolMikey

Differences are that major repairs on a gas powered are pretty rare, especially on cars with <100k miles, repair shops are dime a dozen so costs are usually pretty modest. On the other hand, replacing batteries on an electric powered car is a certain thing, and the cost is substantial, some quick research indicates that it could very easily be >$10k.

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Some battery life loss can't be avoided, it's the nature of batteries. This, however, shows a study that was done on 500 different Tesla's and it shows that on average the batteries lost about 5% of their capacity at around 50,000 miles and 8% at 100,000. That's actually pretty good. Gas cars will see the gas mileage decrease over the years as parts get old and wear out.

This study shows the average loss is 23 miles of range for every 100,000 miles driven.

Now, all this said, these studies on are on the S model, not the 3 model, but I have a feeling the battery life will be similar and it won't lose 50-75% like you suggest.

Barry-xlovecam

This compares the Tesla S @$100K model to Audi, BMW and Mercedes



New car traded in in 4 years -- the Tesla warranty period.

Buy a used 4 year old electric vehicle reconditioned from a dealer -- it will have new battery packs

I still think hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go as the vehicle is refueled in 5 or 10 minutes from the pump. If they can find a 'green' way to do hydrolysis to make hydrogen from water this is the way to go.

Bladewire

I might get one

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What are they going to do with all these dead batteries?

mce

How long does it take to fully charge?

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slapass

This is the key. To me it is a commuter car because of this. But I never drive my current vehicle huge distances so I would not change my life.

SpeedoDave

I just bought an $800 subaru - gets $450 miles to a tank.

Which makes it better than a hippie arse Tesla.

Just drove from Cali to Colorado in one hit, would that work with a Tesla - NO.

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SpicyM

Game changer? It still takes hours to charge + looks fugly inside just like any other Tesla They clearly try to save as much $ as possible in the interior to push the price down.

My next one will be V6 or V8 ..just for the sound.

Barry-xlovecam

A new Subaru is around $30K +

2017 Subaru Outback
2.5i Limited 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
Average Price Paid
$32,645
Estimated MSRP
$35,260
25/32 mpg (CITY/HWY)
2.5L 4-Cylinder
Automatic
Options and Packages

EyeSight + Navigation System + High Beam Assist + Reverse Auto Brake + HID Lights

They are really good AWD cars.
What did you get for $800.00?

Barry-xlovecam

I got a Dodge D250 V10 that passes most everything but a gasoline station ... Goes like hell on wheels without a load or a trailer.

The AC works excellent -- so I make a few trips around town to keep everything loose. I hardly drive it. Like 700 or 1000 miles per year -- if that. With insurance and fuel it costs $0.70/mile to drive it -- not practical but good for hauling.

crockett

There is actually a electric semi truck that has 1300hp and has a 1 thousand mile range. Its a prototype now but it uses a hydrogon cell to keep the batteries charged meaning it can be refuled to go another thousand miles.

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Barry-xlovecam

That truck is a regular hydrogen bomb on wheels LMAO. Stored liquid hydrogen in a strong steel container v. gasoline or diesel in a tin can strapped to the side of the tractor? What do you think is safer?

NatalieK

or go porsche

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HOV lane without a passenger is why many will buy this car in LA.

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The optional Long Range battery goes 310 miles and costs $9,000. dipshit

Joshua G

the only range a tesla model 3 will have is straight to the garage for repairs.

1) nobody is talking about the manufacturing hell that musk just alluded to...this is teslas first foray into mass production. how will customers feel when the tesla service centers are clogged with cars & it will take weeks, not days, to get back on the road?

& then some of those cars need to go back over & over? of course liberals just stick their heads in the sand because, you know, electric car.

2) this...Two-Thirds of Earliest Tesla Drivetrains To Need Replacement In 60,000 Miles, Owner Data Suggests

this is looming disaster on a mass scale. Tesla resale value will be in the toilet, like 100K BMWs & mercedes. they will be economically non-repairable the moment the warranty expires. Not that liberals care that building cars with no life after 8 years is wasting resources because, you know, its electric.

3) the nature of liberals. they are snobs, self righteous sheep who will get impatient real fast with OPEC embargo-style lines at the tesla chargers, & the hours time needed to recharge. repeat this hell numerous times during a long road trip? LOL. Liberals expect disney level service, the fast-pass lane. & when that doesnt happen with tesla, forget it. so you will own a 40,000 dollar car that you cant drive out of range of home. & breaks down a lot. real smart idea.

dumb libs, please do buy a tesla. Reap the whirlwind of your smug virtue signalling ignorance.

ilnjscb

But with all the possible flaws this is a step in the right direction, by someone who isn't afraid to innovate and fail occasionally.

Batteries will get better - that is a fact. Manufacturing will get better.

Ross

I drive 25 miles a day average. That means I could drive almost two weeks in that thing without having to charge. My longest road trip ever was Detroit to Chicago which is 282 miles. Model 3 could do that trip in ideal conditions.

I love the people who complain that the range in electric cars is not good enough, who the hell are these people driving crazy distances and why is 310 miles not enough for you. I'm sure there is super chargers available within you start point and 300 miles of where you are going.

I thought about pre ordering a Model 3 last night, I almost did it, filled in my details on the page and everything then held off. Even if I didn't get it for 2 years, my wifes SUV will be 5 years old by then, if I decided I didn't want it, she could get it. This car will sell very well if Musk can build them quick enough.

JFK

For now, till the next "game changer"

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2MuchMark

Yes and no.

When I drive my car, I try to squeeze every bit of range out of every electron.

The displays in EV's tell you exactly how much energy you are using in real time and, if you change your styles you can see a big difference in range. You can squeeze alot more range out of gasoline cars too by changing driving habbits.

I get the best range in the spring late spring, early fall. In the summer, the air conditioner is on and in winter, the heater is on. Range is also reduced because effeciency drops when the weather gets too cold, or your car's wasting energy pushing snow and slush out of the way, etc.


... yes and no. This depends on many things, how you charge and how you drive, etc. I've heard that the batteries in Mitsubishi's lose their ability to hold a charge earlier in life, while GM's and Tesla's do not. In the 3 years that I've been driving mine, I've seen zero degradation in battery range so far. But besides, batteries are guaranteed 8 years (10 years in some cars).

But if you're still worried, it looks like you can now upgrade your battery anytime:
https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/5/11...g-model-change



Tesla offers battery upgrades the Sportster drivers, the first cars that Tesla made 10 years ago, for only $5000. Pricey perhaps, but not really that bad when you consider the usual maintenance costs that would go into a similar ICE car.

I was nervous about this too a few years ago, but now I'm ready to make the plunge, and so is my better half. We plan to both buy new fully electric cars next spring. We are even adding extra 220-volt 40 amp circuits in our house right now as I type this, to charge them both at the same time.

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2MuchMark

Wow very cool! When you decide to order it please let me know, and post pics when you get it. I was going to pre order too but at this point I think I will just wait until next spring. I am not sure if pre-ordering at this point gets me behind the wheel of the TM3 any faster. Please let me know if you order!

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Bladewire

Negative, bitter & poor

slapass

And I will quietly blow by you. Lol. For the sound. That is so weird sounding. Peol,e used to pick on cars that were loud as theywere considered cheap. Now it is a nostalgia thing.

2MuchMark

Maybe you should learn to drive then.


No, it's the 3rd.

Have you ever been to a Tesla service center? No, you haven't. I have, and I saw a super-clean repair center with only a few cars being serviced. According to the rep I was talking to, regular maintenance is the same or faster than an standard ICE car.

The last 2 cars by Tesla have been winners and there's no reason to expect that the model 3 won't be a winner either but in case there are problems that require service, I'd say the service centers are equipped to handle them.

No. We see a car with a better powertrain. It's so simple even you should understand this: A gasoline engine has thousands of moving parts that all create heat and friction when they move, and all require maintenance or replacements sooner or later. An electric car has fewer moving parts, so there are less parts to fix.

Math, Science and Physics are your friend. Too bad you didn't pay attention when you were in elementary school.



LOL! You're quoting an article that is almost 3 years old, about cars that are 5 years old, and that says nothing about the newer Model S's or the Model 3's. Furthermore you left out the little tidbit that says "Tesla's Policy is to replace an item when it begins to make noise". That's a pretty important omission by you, and a pretty cool service by Tesla.




Do you jerk-off to your own reflection? I think you do.


I'll gladly spend that 20 minutes relaxing, stretching, eating or going to the bathroom during that long trip in exchange for FREE CHARGING during each stop, while you pay $75 for the same range with the added bonus of inhaling gasoline fumes. LOL



Good service is how you keep customers. Disney has pretty good service. What's your point again?

Jealous? Tee-hee!


Tesla and other EV drivers get free or near-free energy, free parking, free tolls, free fast-pass access, and more chicks. (It's true!). I think it'll stick around a while, at least here in Quebec.


$35,000

You can charge your car at home, and at your destination, and anywhere along any route. For free. Here's the supercharger map. https://supercharge.info/




It doesn't, and you're talking about cars that haven't even rolled off the line yet.

IT, is. You, not so much.

You don't try. Do you realize that? I feel sorry for you.

I will!

When you are presented with truth, facts, math and science that goes against your unjustified beliefs, you call the presenters "smug". Your loss!


Yep!

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Axeman

The batteries are starting to get better for sure. 8% loss is pretty reasonable over a 100,000 mile range.

Be curious to see if there is any breakthroughs of much cleaner made batteries is coming down the pipeline.

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SpicyM

I didn't say loud. I said I want to hear a nice V6 or V8.. doesn't have to be loud at all.

Once I see you waiting at the charging station like an idiot, I will say "hello"

2MuchMark

And once we see you forking over yet another $75 for a few hundred miles of range, we'll say Hello back.

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SpicyM

No worries feminized Princess, new batteries for your EV crap will most likely top the price of gas for 1 year ...

slapass

I live in a major city. I don't drive 300 miles in a week. My parking garage has free charging for EV cars. I might put in a charger at my office.

I think having one of the quickest cars on the road will be fun and for the price insanely fun. I just hope they create a faster version of the model 3 by the time I get there.

Now for the real question of why are there 10 posts trying to piss in corn flakes? You like noise. Cool, I see it as inefficient but ok for you. I get that it is not for everyone. I am a bit amazed that the nationalism doesn't see it as a win for the USA. Oh well.

SpicyM

Win for the USA? Electric car was invented even before the petrol one.. And this company has been in a loss since its opening .. Total win.. LoL, good joke anyway.

And to ruin your patriotic feelings they even use the name of a Serbian inventor born in Croatia as their brand name

GAMEFINEST

Teslas are so nicee

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