Billions spent enforcing drug laws have little effect

[Paul Markham]

Illegal drugs remain widely available despite the billions of pounds spent trying to enforce laws prohibiting them, according to an official evaluation of a government anti-drug strategy.

An estimated £1.6 billion was spent on enforcement in 2014-15 but the study said that actions by the police and other arms of the state had little impact on availability. ?It appears that drugs are still widely available to those who want them,? the cross-government audit of the effects in England of the five-year 2010 drug strategy concluded.

Whilst accurate figures are hard to come by, global spending on drug law enforcement certainly exceeds $100 billion each year. Given current economic conditions it is more important than ever that spending is effective and not a waste of taxpayer money.

Guess how much the War on Drugs costs US taxpayers each year

Does that include all the money to prosecute and imprison?

We have lost the war on drugs, but waste billions fighting.

[~Ray]

That's not entirely true. The Federal Reserve Bank made a fortune off of the loan.

Ray
Hardlinks.org

[pimpmaster9000]

Private prisons make a killing and it's good for keeping the minorities in jail and making them slave labor for Walmart...also good for black ops money raising...

[pornguy]

if they wanted to stop the drugs they could and would. But they wont. Keeps way toooo many people employeed.

[SilentKnight]

Thanks for the update, Paul.

And in other news - it's raining somewhere.

[beerptrol]

It's not about stopping drugs, but making money off the illusion of fighting drugs.
Private prisons, local jails/prisons make money housing overflow from prisons, and local law enforcement makes money seizing property with out charges or convictions. The list goes on and on

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by ~Ray

That's not entirely true. The Federal Reserve Bank made a fortune off of the loan.

Ray
Hardlinks.org

And the country lost billions.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pornguy

if they wanted to stop the drugs they could and would. But they wont. Keeps way toooo many people employeed.

Do you think if they legalise drugs the jobs will disappear?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Guess how much the War on Drugs costs US taxpayers each year

Does that include all the money to prosecute and imprison?

We have lost the war on drugs, but waste billions fighting.

You're British living in Czechoslovakia creating a thread about Americans wasting money on a drug war.

You really do hate America.

The British drug war never enters my mind, neither does our drug war as pot is legal and anything else I desire I get from my doctor.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Thanks for the update, Paul.

And in other news - it's raining somewhere.

// End thread

[xXXtesy10]

maybe need legal viagra drug instead?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

maybe need legal viagra drug instead?

Oh SNAP!

[Matt 26z]

While drug use itself is largely a victimless crime, the type of people who do certain drugs are likely to be committing other crimes where there are victims.

When a drug user is locked up, they can't commit these other more serious crimes.

The system works fairly well now with judges giving millionaires caught with powdered cocaine a lenient sentence and locking up the street thug with rock cocaine. The left thinks that system is racist, but they never think more than one step ahead. They don't consider all of the other crimes the thug is behind and will continue doing if not locked up for the crack.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

While drug use itself is largely a victimless crime, the type of people who do certain drugs are likely to be committing other crimes where there are victims.

When a drug user is locked up, they can't commit these other more serious crimes.

The system works fairly well now with judges giving millionaires caught with powdered cocaine a lenient sentence and locking up the street thug with rock cocaine. The left thinks that system is racist, but they never think more than one step ahead. They don't consider all of the other crimes the thug is behind and will continue doing if not locked up for the crack.

I disagree that drug use is a victimless crime. Here where I live we have a problem with people breaking into cars in the early morning. When they get caught, all of them have drugs on them. Always. It's not like they are finding housewives and business men breaking into cars; It's ways drug users.

[TheDynasty]

they are putting the money in the wrong programs

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I disagree that drug use is a victimless crime. Here where I live we have a problem with people breaking into cars in the early morning. When they get caught, all of them have drugs on them. Always. It's not like they are finding housewives and business men breaking into cars; It's ways drug users.

The actual use itself probably doesn't cause them to break into the cars unless they are under the influence of a mind altering drug that suppresses their self control.

The purchasing of the drugs is often not a victimless crime. That part is likely the motive for breaking into the cars. This is why successful people always get a slap on the wrist for drug charges. It is recognized that there is no victim when they buy or use the drugs.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Guess how much the War on Drugs costs US taxpayers each year

Does that include all the money to prosecute and imprison?

We have lost the war on drugs, but waste billions fighting.

People keep saying this but here in the US, crime is way down. Looking at that metric, you would have to say the war on drugs is working.

[crockett]

It's not about fighting drugs, it's been about militarization of our police forces with lots of govt contracts to weapon and equipment suppliers as well as inmates for the private prison system..

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The actual use itself probably doesn't cause them to break into the cars unless they are under the influence of a mind altering drug that suppresses their self control.

The actual drug use is the ONLY reason they are breaking into cars. Because they are a drug addict they are unable to hold a job, and must resort to breaking into cars in the middle of the night to support their drug habit. They need to make money to support their addiction, but because of their addiction they cannot legally make money.

If you sit in your house and get high on pot it's not an issue. But when you are addicted to crack and have to resort to crime there are clearly victims. I wake up to their posts every morning on Facebook with people complaining about their cars broken into over night.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

maybe need legal viagra drug instead?

I have to give credit where credit is due...Paul is the creepy old man I want to be when I get old...he is a bad ass senior this is for sure...his ironyheimers aside, he is a pimp...

[kane]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

The actual use itself probably doesn't cause them to break into the cars unless they are under the influence of a mind altering drug that suppresses their self control.

The purchasing of the drugs is often not a victimless crime. That part is likely the motive for breaking into the cars. This is why successful people always get a slap on the wrist for drug charges. It is recognized that there is no victim when they buy or use the drugs.

Successful people don't get lighter sentences because the judge thinks they are good members of society and haven't hurt anyone, they get lighter sentences because they can afford a good lawyer.

[kane]

The war on drugs failed. These days it has basically become nothing more than a good talking point for politicians and a government run jobs program that keeps tons of people employed catching, prosecuting, and incarcerating people.

[babeterminal]

within british boarders we have had for more than a decade production of skunk weed, protected Vietnamese factories decimating the import of north african hashish

we also have now synthetic drugs sometimes referred to as "legal highs" the one to come out on top of all the others being "spice" which has come to be just as good as heroin, again decimating the import of heroin or a least the sale of heroin

the only drug still imported by the thousands of tons a month is cocaine, britain being the highest user of cocaine in europe,

they will never legalize drugs as they the goverments made more money from it being illegal

holland has been forced to comply with the rest of europe and has closed down all the cannabis cafes they once had, and is now back out onto the street dealers

[slapass]

Originally Posted by kane

The war on drugs failed. These days it has basically become nothing more than a good talking point for politicians and a government run jobs program that keeps tons of people employed catching, prosecuting, and incarcerating people.

It has broken even at worst. You can still get drugs. Crime is down huge. No really a failure.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

maybe need legal viagra drug instead?

Circa 1965. Imagine what he looks like now.

[kane]

Originally Posted by slapass

It has broken even at worst. You can still get drugs. Crime is down huge. No really a failure.

The crime rate has steadily declined over the last 25 years and I'm sure the war on drugs has had some part to play in that if nothing else simply because more drug users and dealers are going to jail for longer periods of time.

There are many experts who also say there are a lot of other factors.

To me, it is still a failure because pretty much anyone who wants drugs can get them without a whole lot of trouble and the number of addicts hasn't really gone down. Right now we are in the middle of an opioid addiction epidemic with many of those people turning to heroin.

So it might not have been a catastrophic failure, but it has been a pretty big failure.

IMO we have to stop looking at it like a crime problem and start looking at it as a healthcare issue. Instead of going after dealers, we should be focused on helping addicts get treatment and get off the drugs. Kill the demand and the supply will go with it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're British living in Czechoslovakia creating a thread about Americans wasting money on a drug war.

You really do hate America.

The British drug war never enters my mind, neither does our drug war as pot is legal and anything else I desire I get from my doctor.

You're an idiot. The war on drugs is being lost in Europe as well as the US.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10

maybe need legal viagra drug instead?

Wow!! I remember her, Eva and I had a good time with her after the shoot.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

While drug use itself is largely a victimless crime, the type of people who do certain drugs are likely to be committing other crimes where there are victims.

When a drug user is locked up, they can't commit these other more serious crimes.

The system works fairly well now with judges giving millionaires caught with powdered cocaine a lenient sentence and locking up the street thug with rock cocaine. The left thinks that system is racist, but they never think more than one step ahead. They don't consider all of the other crimes the thug is behind and will continue doing if not locked up for the crack.

The actual taking of the drug is mostly victimless, sometimes a bad mix causes deaths. The victims it creates are on the supply side. There are 10,000s every year. Put is into the hands of the Multi-Nationals and it eliminates most of them. It's rather like Vegas with gambling, alcohol rather than prohibition, prostitution, etc. At the moment the law favours the crime syndicates.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

It's not about fighting drugs, it's been about militarization of our police forces with lots of govt contracts to weapon and equipment suppliers as well as inmates for the private prison system..

When you sign contracts with private companies to keep prisons full, you are bound to have problems.

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