Ubuntu or Fedora???

[notinmybackyard]

If you had to chose as a substitute for Windows 10 which would it be?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Fedora is a beta lab for RHEL
Certainly not for beginners

[CrazyMartin]

Debian probably

[wankawonk]

honestly, windows 7

linux is not the ideal option for personal computers unless you specifically want a free OS or you're programming for a linux server and want your environment to match more closely.

[Brad Mitchell]

Apple

Lol

Brad

[SpicyM]

Win 7 ...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Kubuntu for the win if it is a desktop/workstation
sort of advanced for beginners -- Ubuntu (vanilla) or Mint for beginners

Ubuntu (vanilla) or Mint will run well on older hardware too -- something worth considering.

I have an old IBM/Lenovo X-61 laptop that gets along fine on 16.04LTS desktop GUI for light duty -- old 32 bit dual core Intel. Checking routers, inspecting website bugs for older units (8 years old now?) it uses IPV6 too

[mineistaken]

Win 7, 100%

[Boozer]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

linux is not the ideal option for personal computers

That has to be close to one of the most uninformed posts on GFY.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by Boozer

That has to be close to one of the most uninformed posts on GFY.

script kiddie triggered

I've used linux on all my work laptops for 10+ years. Simple shit like installing chrome or flash can turn into a nightmare, and there's lots of little software issues that require actual expertise to solve. Right now my ubuntu gnome 16.04 laptop is having issues with swap partition size, full screen html5 videos crashing, and lacks codecs to play standard DVDs. I can fix all of that, but most people couldn't. It's just not a suitable OS for personal use. There's too many headaches and hassles.

[Barry-xlovecam]

You are right LINUX desktop is for the l33t.
LINUX has a steep learning curve.
Android and Windows are consumer products -- never used Mac but why pay a premium for a closed source UNIX like os. Consumers need that bloatware -- LINUX users don't -- they can figure it out. Every program is usually a plaintext configuration that can be tweaked.

With LINUX Desktop I can work directly on my LINUX servers in a native terminal (no slow or half-assed middleware ) and have MySQL and testing servers running locally -- I need that.

Updates cn be daily as tested and available for installed LINUX software. Security updates are as available not aggregated to some schedule that suits the mega-vendor aka MicroCrap

I have had relatively few problems watching Netflix, Amazon Prime or Youtube full screen for years now. But sometimes Windows oriented web based software has issues -- it should not -- web software should be os agnostic. I just walk away and find another solution.

Video editing or other Windows software is probably a no starter. WINE sometimes may work. I have no problem functioning out of the Windows, and now Android, ecosystem at all. But I don't need Windows software -- I am not dependent on Microsoft Office. There is no good tax accounting software -- you may want that. I do my books direct on MYSQL and use .ods for the csv mysql dumps then they go to the accountant now. If i did in house accounting I might need Windows for the office personnel (the devil you know) but those Windows units would a security risk and would have to be contained.

I have no interest in games and many games do require Windows or Mac.

LINUX desktop is only 1% to 3% of the desktop population -- so from a market penetration stand point LINUX Desktop is a low priority -- I like it that way. Let the virus and malware makers target Windows and Android ;0)

I really suggest you try LINUX out and learn on a extra older non-critical unit. Make an informed changeover when you feel ready. Buy a new Windows 10 computer at a retail outlet with all that money you make and reformat the old machine to a flavor (or a few different flavors) of LINIX. Learn at a non stressful speed without putting yourself under unneeded pressure.

[Ferus]

I have one desktop left with win10, everything else is fedora26.
Both my wife and my mother runs fedora now

Its NOT a beta like some said.
I dont trust ubuntu for security

Importens Keys to succes?s:
- install the Real Chrome browser, NOT chominum or whatever the one is called
- make sure you run the right grafx driver. NVIDIA Can be funky somtimes
- buy lightworks for editing

[MFCT]

There's nothing I can't do in Linux Mint that I couldn't do in Windows. Even Virtualdub works damn near perfect in Linux, if you know how to set things up. The only thing I can't do is play games like GTA5. Dual boot solves that little issue.

I will say that if something in Linux fucks up, it can really fuck up.

I edited a system file, attempting to set it up so that a slave drive auto-mounts on reboot. Everything in that single line appeared to be fine, syntax-wise. Rebooted, and I had the most God-awful series of errors I'd ever seen. Almost put the BSOD to shame. The computer was completely crippled and I could do nothing with it.

Solved it by booting from a Linux live DVD, editing that file, deleting the line I'd added, and rebooting. But I understand not many would be able to figure out how to go about fixing an issue such as this.

After that experience, I came to terms with the realization that I don't really need the slave drive to auto-mount that badly.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You are right LINUX desktop is for the l33t.
LINUX has a steep learning curve.
Android and Windows are consumer products -- never used Mac but why pay a premium for a closed source UNIX like os. Consumers need that bloatware -- LINUX users don't -- they can figure it out. Every program is usually a plaintext configuration that can be tweaked.

With LINUX Desktop I can work directly on my LINUX servers in a native terminal (no slow or half-assed middleware ) and have MySQL and testing servers running locally -- I need that.

Updates cn be daily as tested and available for installed LINUX software. Security updates are as available not aggregated to some schedule that suits the mega-vendor aka MicroCrap

I have had relatively few problems watching Netflix, Amazon Prime or Youtube full screen for years now. But sometimes Windows oriented web based software has issues -- it should not -- web software should be os agnostic. I just walk away and find another solution.

Video editing or other Windows software is probably a no starter. WINE sometimes may work. I have no problem functioning out of the Windows, and now Android, ecosystem at all. But I don't need Windows software -- I am not dependent on Microsoft Office. There is no good tax accounting software -- you may want that. I do my books direct on MYSQL and use .ods for the csv mysql dumps then they go to the accountant now. If i did in house accounting I might need Windows for the office personnel (the devil you know) but those Windows units would a security risk and would have to be contained.

I have no interest in games and many games do require Windows or Mac.

LINUX desktop is only 1% to 3% of the desktop population -- so from a market penetration stand point LINUX Desktop is a low priority -- I like it that way. Let the virus and malware makers target Windows and Android ;0)

I really suggest you try LINUX out and learn on a extra older non-critical unit. Make an informed changeover when you feel ready. Buy a new Windows 10 computer at a retail outlet with all that money you make and reformat the old machine to a flavor (or a few different flavors) of LINUX. Learn at a non stressful speed without putting yourself under unneeded pressure.

Huh? LInux indeed had a reputation as os for programmers, but that is not a case for last several years, and you can recommended it to even to people which never used PC before.
Biggest current advantage of linux is how it have support for many drivers out-of-box , compared to windows where installing drivers sometime can be hassle. For example on my notebook, everything works by first install or using live cd on linux , while on windows everything had to be downloaded and installed, and usb port for some reason did not worked no matter what even with provided driver.


And to OP, i suggest visiting following site: The LiveCD List · The LiveCD List .
That is best way to find a perfect linux version for you, is to test live cd versions which dont require installation. I tested almost every possible version of linux and so far linux mint is best for me as it have faster interface then others, but others are fine, so in the end it's all about interface preference.

[CurrentlySober]

is this a thread about hats? I only have an old baseball cap, and cunt a4d a fedora...

[CrazyMartin]

The best option, but not easy to configure

is linux + kvm with pci passthru + windows xp (vista) (7) for games (only 3-5% performance lost), photoshop, and older win software


fuck windows 8,10

i bought older hp worstation z600 upgraded it with dual 6core xeon processors, 48gb of cheap server ddr3 ram for total of ridiculous $300 euro
its faster than top i7 processors, great for any windows os virtualisation

and i fuck their spyware windows 8 or 10

[freecartoonporn]

windows 7 wins any day.,
if i have to choose, ill g o with ubuntu.

but i use centos on all my servers.,
tried ubutu only twice., its great for newbs.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by CrazyMartin

The best option, but not easy to configure

is linux + kvm with pci passthru + windows xp (vista) (7) for games (only 3-5% performance lost), photoshop, and older win software


fuck windows 8,10

i bought older hp worstation z600 upgraded it with dual 6core xeon processors, 48gb of cheap server ddr3 ram for total of ridiculous $300 euro
its faster than top i7 processors, great for any windows os virtualisation

and i fuck their spyware windows 8 or 10

Yes windows 7 is best out of all windows versions but problem is how it's already obsolete when it comes to driver support.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Huh? LInux indeed had a reputation as os for programmers, but that is not a case for last several years, and you can recommended it to even to people which never used PC before....

That's true, but take a long-term Windows user -- he will have to acclimate to a lot of changes.

Use Android if you want to see how LINUX can be turned into dumbed-down adware.

Debian based distros (Debian, Ubuntu and Mint (most used)) have the widest online support from the community. That I think is important to resolve operating system issues. SUSE makes a nice desktop too -- but has very limited community support -- about the same as Fedora. RHEL is a professional product with support included for the large enterprise user (Red Hat Enterprise LINUX).

[CrazyMartin]

thats why i suggested Debian or derivatives

best as desktop

Centos is good for servers, computing
Fedora is always experimental distro

[DatePoster]

I came for hats...
Seen a bunch of nerd talk...
.... confused.....

[Barry-xlovecam]

More like a really l4m3 clown.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

That's true, but take a long-term Windows user -- he will have to acclimate to a lot of changes.

Use Android if you want to see how LINUX can be turned into dumbed-down adware.

Debian based distros (Debian, Ubuntu and Mint (most used)) have the widest online support from the community. That I think is important to resolve operating system issues. SUSE makes a nice desktop too -- but has very limited community support -- about the same as Fedora. RHEL is a professional product with support included for the large enterprise user (Red Hat Enterprise LINUX).

Again, not true , and i can give you example - i installed linux mint on my brother PC and though how he wont like it and want windows anyway but he was fine with it. He only uses PC for facebook and watching youtube videos, and i think modern PC user have same usage of PC unless it's a IT professional.

[wocnom]

Originally Posted by CrazyMartin

The best option, but not easy to configure

is linux + kvm with pci passthru + windows xp (vista) (7) for games (only 3-5% performance lost), photoshop, and older win software


fuck windows 8,10

i bought older hp worstation z600 upgraded it with dual 6core xeon processors, 48gb of cheap server ddr3 ram for total of ridiculous $300 euro
its faster than top i7 processors, great for any windows os virtualisation

and i fuck their spyware windows 8 or 10

I was about to write this exactly. The only thing is you need to have cpu+mobo support of IOMMU.

[Wilbo]

Mint. Installs easily and has just about everything needed out of the box.

[wocnom]

I am like _SUPER SURPRISED_, that a lot of guys here are talking about using mint.

Are you serious? Don't you remember the situation like ~2years ago, when they got hacked and someone modified their isos? I have no trust in such distro at all.
And it's ubuntu/debian based, so why you just don't use debian/ubuntu instead? It doesn't make any sense.

source: Beware of hacked ISOs if you downloaded Linux Mint on February 20th! – The Linux Mint Blog

[Barry-xlovecam]

Here is the problem: If you are a Windows .EXE program dependent user you may be unhappy if your favorite software cannot be used any longer.

People are like rats in their maze with blinders on. They cannot do what they need to do with their winblows point and click software and cannot adapt to new GNU alternative -- or refuse too.

People are creatures of habit and resistant to change. Look, people have shit-fits when the new version of MicroCrap WinBlows comes out for reason of their favorite program no longer working. With LINUX usually your software is updated with your new system.

Dual boot to a Windows install is one option. If you have adequate hardware resources -- a Windows VM is a better idea -- older systems no longer matter as you just reinstall the image if need be when you get the inevitable Windows .dll hack online :P . Abandoning Windows and learning to use a REAL LINUX operating system is probably the best *new brave world* option IMO -- that is what I did 7 years ago

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by wocnom

I am like _SUPER SURPRISED_, that a lot of guys here are talking about using mint.

...

You know what they say: Lightning never strikes TWICE in the same place.

That said, there are SHA-256 checksums
for the distro ISO
https://www.howtogeek.com/246332/how...tampered-with/

If you don't attempt to verify and validate the ISO or add the package fingerprints -- whose fault is your ignorance or lackadaisical attitude?

I am sold on Kubuntu and KDE but with LINUX you have choices. With Microsoft, Apple or Google's adware LINUX distro -- Android you have to just accept what they are pedaling tonight or go away ...

[wocnom]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You know what they say: Lightning never strikes TWICE in the same place.

That said, there are SHA-256 checksums
for the distro ISO
https://www.howtogeek.com/246332/how...tampered-with/

After incident like that, I actually don't care, what they say. I think it's pretty understandable.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If you don't attempt to verify and validate the ISO or add the package fingerprints -- whose fault is your ignorance or lackadaisical attitude?

Again. I am talking about the scenario, when some 3rd party person(s) modified their isos and presented it at their side.
If you validate the checksum of iso is completely unrelated to the fact. It's pretty obvious that using ssl transfer with combination of validating isos is the proper way. But as I said, it changes nothing.

Anyway, I am trying to add you on brilliant icq and the only thing I see is some dead kitty.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wocnom

I am like _SUPER SURPRISED_, that a lot of guys here are talking about using mint.

Are you serious? Don't you remember the situation like ~2years ago, when they got hacked and someone modified their isos? I have no trust in such distro at all.
And it's ubuntu/debian based, so why you just don't use debian/ubuntu instead? It doesn't make any sense.

source: Beware of hacked ISOs if you downloaded Linux Mint on February 20th! ? The Linux Mint Blog

And? There are tons of public services which get compromised , they are simply one of many, plus what got compromised it's website, not a OS itself. Plus, you can verify is ISO legit once you download it.
It have better interface then ubuntu/debian.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You know what they say: Lightning never strikes TWICE in the same place.

That said, there are SHA-256 checksums
for the distro ISO
https://www.howtogeek.com/246332/how...tampered-with/

If you don't attempt to verify and validate the ISO or add the package fingerprints -- whose fault is your ignorance or lackadaisical attitude?

I am sold on Kubuntu and KDE but with LINUX you have choices. With Microsoft, Apple or Google's adware LINUX distro -- Android you have to just accept what they are pedaling tonight or go away ...

Not sure why do you keep mention android as that is OS for mobile phones only and not for desktop And yes, it is adware , which is so annoying when it start blinking how there is something important yet is is just a stupid ad.

[wocnom]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

And? There are tons of public services which get compromised , they are simply one of many, plus what got compromised it's website, not a OS itself. Plus, you can verify is ISO legit once you download it.

Above.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

It have better interface then ubuntu/debian.

What kind of interface are you referring to?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wocnom

Above.


What kind of interface are you referring to?

Cinnamon

[wocnom]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Cinnamon

I am pretty sure, that Cinnamon is present in debian/ubuntu repos too.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wocnom

I am pretty sure, that Cinnamon is present in debian/ubuntu repos too.

i was also using mint XFCE, and i tried ubuntu XFCE, but for some reason ubuntu XFCE was laggy compared to mint XFCE

[wocnom]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

i was also using mint XFCE, and i tried ubuntu XFCE, but for some reason ubuntu XFCE was laggy compared to mint XFCE

I am at the moment on xubuntu (ubuntu + xfce) and everything seems to be just fine.
But well, I am not so much in gui

[CordaCash]

I use debian based MX linux 16. It's great.

[CordaCash]

Originally Posted by wocnom

I am at the moment on xubuntu (ubuntu + xfce) and everything seems to be just fine.
But well, I am not so much in gui

Used to be on Xubuntu for 3 years. It's good, but I tried MX Linux (xfce as well) recently and it's even better.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I cite Android because it is LINUX done the wrong way ;)

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I cite Android because it is LINUX done the wrong way ;)

Whatabout IOS which is based on unix ?

[Helix]

Originally Posted by SensualTension

I use debian based MX linux 16. It's great.

Great community support as well.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Free BSD
https://www.freebsd.org/about.html

People still use that ?

What is FreeBSD?

FreeBSD is an operating system for a variety of platforms which focuses on features, speed, and stability. It is derived from BSD, the version of UNIX® developed at the University of California, Berkeley. It is developed and maintained by a large community.

UNIX was a Bell Labs product donated to the UC Berkley as open source. Bill Gates used the IP stack they developed for windows.

I never used iOs because closed source UNIX derived software is the devil's work.

[CrazyMartin]

FreeBsd???

are you kidding, don't remember case with CIA and backdoors to freebsd?

[Barry-xlovecam]

https://theunhivedmind.com/news/2017...soft-software/

haha don't believe every thing you read?

any device connected to the internet can be compromised -- including you fucking router -- a router can be a backdoor as the router is a *trusted device*.

It gets worse your IoT refrigerator may be your ''enemy'' that is connected to your router > that is connected to your PC.

[Marshal]

OSX (Hackintosh) or Windows 8.1 with Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements

[Zeiss]

Ubuntu Studio - https://ubuntustudio.org/