John McCain actually met with Russians in 2006

[onwebcam]

He was introduced by none other than Rick Davis of Davis Manafort

When Deripaska met McCain, Davis was part of Davis Manafort, a lobbying firm that was being paid to provide political advice to pro-Russian and oligarch-funded candidates in Ukraine, according to interviews and news accounts.

Aide Helped Controversial Russian Meet McCain

[Bladewire]

You're melting down so much you don't even read you're own bullshit.

From your link:

"At the same time, McCain was publicly supporting those candidates' Western-oriented democratic rivals.

Salter said the contact between McCain and Deripaska did not constitute a "private meeting"; both men were part of larger gatherings.

Mark Salter, a spokesman for McCain, said that meetings with Deripaska took place during official trips abroad by senators and that McCain did nothing improper. "Any contact between Mr. Deripaska and the senator was social and incidental," he added."

[beerptrol]

Keep deflecting. He repeatedly didnt lie on forms or to officials about it. Its not going to save Chump

[Sarn]

before was too)

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're melting down so much you don't even read you're own bullshit.

From your link:

"At the same time, McCain was publicly supporting those candidates' Western-oriented democratic rivals.

Salter said the contact between McCain and Deripaska did not constitute a "private meeting"; both men were part of larger gatherings.

Mark Salter, a spokesman for McCain, said that meetings with Deripaska took place during official trips abroad by senators and that McCain did nothing improper. "Any contact between Mr. Deripaska and the senator was social and incidental," he added."

Yes, I know, he did nothing wrong when he did EXACTLY what he is accusing Trump of doing.

[bns666]

who cares...

[Rochard]

There is nothing wrong with a US politician meeting with someone from a foreign government. However, there are rules and protocols to be followed. While they don't need to get permission from the State Department, it's best to notify them in advance. This way they can send an expert to brief you on what to expect, what they might want or ask for, and what problems or traps to avoid. After the meeting, the State Department will want to speak to you to debrief you. Depending on who you are taking to and or what country they are from, the CIA or another intelligence agency might want to debrief you also to see what they can learn from this.

This is routine.

On the other hand we have Jeff Sessions. Sessions was on the Committee on Armed Services, one of the most important committees we have. He met with the Russian ambassador three times. Not once did he clear this before hand with the State Department, nor was he debriefed by the CIA (etc). Sessions claims his meetings were routine for his work on the Committee, yet he was the ONLY one of twenty-seven people on the committee to meet with the Russian ambassador in the past four years. In fact, a member of the Committee on Armed Services should NEVER be meeting with the Russian government in private EVER.

Explain to me why Jeff Sessions is meeting with the Russian ambassador in private three times. More importantly, explain to me why the Russian ambassador was at the Republican convention in the first place.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Rochard

There is nothing wrong with a US politician meeting with someone from a foreign government. However, there are rules and protocols to be followed. While they don't need to get permission from the State Department, it's best to notify them in advance. This way they can send an expert to brief you on what to expect, what they might want or ask for, and what problems or traps to avoid. After the meeting, the State Department will want to speak to you to debrief you. Depending on who you are taking to and or what country they are from, the CIA or another intelligence agency might want to debrief you also to see what they can learn from this.

This is routine.

On the other hand we have Jeff Sessions. Sessions was on the Committee on Armed Services, one of the most important committees we have. He met with the Russian ambassador three times. Not once did he clear this before hand with the State Department, nor was he debriefed by the CIA (etc). Sessions claims his meetings were routine for his work on the Committee, yet he was the ONLY one of twenty-seven people on the committee to meet with the Russian ambassador in the past four years. In fact, a member of the Committee on Armed Services should NEVER be meeting with the Russian government in private EVER.

Explain to me why Jeff Sessions is meeting with the Russian ambassador in private three times. More importantly, explain to me why the Russian ambassador was at the Republican convention in the first place.

Probably because the Ambassador is here in the US and meets with people all day, every day? That's his job. He's not the only ambassador here. There are likely hundreds. Can you imagine what it would take for all of those people plus all of the people they meet with to report they met with each other every day? It just doesn't happen. BTW weren't those meetings random event meetings as well?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably because the Ambassador is here in the US and meets with people all day, every day? That's his job. He's not the only ambassador here. There are likely hundreds.

Really? How many times did Sessions meet with the Ambassador from China in private? UK? France? Germany?

Originally Posted by onwebcam

BTW weren't those meetings random event meetings as well?

Completely random. I'm sure that Jeff Sessions just happened use his key to open up the wrong hotel room, and boom there is the Russian ambassador..... Totally random.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

He was introduced by none other than Rick Davis of Davis Manafort

When Deripaska met McCain, Davis was part of Davis Manafort, a lobbying firm that was being paid to provide political advice to pro-Russian and oligarch-funded candidates in Ukraine, according to interviews and news accounts.

Aide Helped Controversial Russian Meet McCain

the fucking guys was actually a prisoner of the Russians in Viet Nam. he probably knows more Russians than the mayor of west hollywood

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Really? How many times did Sessions meet with the Ambassador from China in private? UK? France? Germany?

Probably several times each but that's not the big scandal is it?


"Are these meetings generally controversial or not?

They are generally not controversial, experts agreed.

"It is fair to say most of these contacts are not problematic," said Benjamin H. Friedman, a research fellow in security studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.

Here’s a big reason why: The United States has a separation of powers between the executive branch and the legislative branch, and because of this, members of Congress have the right -- and the obligation -- to gather their own information before making decisions, rather than just rely on information from the executive branch.

"It is the nature of our system that each senator can have their own little foreign policy and talk to diplomats," Friedman said. "They are not compelled to follow the White House’s lead."

Christopher Madison, a former aide with the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, agreed.

"Meetings are what D.C. is all about," Madison said. "Certain countries may be radioactive, but most are not. Russia was not previously."

Ted Bromund, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said there’s nothing "untoward" about such meetings.

"In many cases, these are basically lobbying visits – which after all is what foreign diplomats are here to do," Bromund said. "And so what? Some things foreigners want are in our interests, others are not. How is one to decide without meeting them?"

Both McCaskill and Sessions "were doing their job," Bromund said."

Four questions about when senators meet with ambassadors | PolitiFact

[astronaut x]

So you are admitting that meeting with the Russians is a bad thing?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Probably several times each but that's not the big scandal is it?


"Are these meetings generally controversial or not?

They are generally not controversial, experts agreed.

"It is fair to say most of these contacts are not problematic," said Benjamin H. Friedman, a research fellow in security studies at the libertarian Cato Institute.

Here?s a big reason why: The United States has a separation of powers between the executive branch and the legislative branch, and because of this, members of Congress have the right -- and the obligation -- to gather their own information before making decisions, rather than just rely on information from the executive branch.

"It is the nature of our system that each senator can have their own little foreign policy and talk to diplomats," Friedman said. "They are not compelled to follow the White House?s lead."

Christopher Madison, a former aide with the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, agreed.

"Meetings are what D.C. is all about," Madison said. "Certain countries may be radioactive, but most are not. Russia was not previously."

Ted Bromund, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said there?s nothing "untoward" about such meetings.

"In many cases, these are basically lobbying visits ? which after all is what foreign diplomats are here to do," Bromund said. "And so what? Some things foreigners want are in our interests, others are not. How is one to decide without meeting them?"

Both McCaskill and Sessions "were doing their job," Bromund said."

Four questions about when senators meet with ambassadors | PolitiFact

Your link just proved you wrong.

"I?ve been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years. No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign (Relations Committee)"

Explain to me why Sessions had three secret meetings with the Russian ambassador, didn't report it to anyone, and then lied under oath while the other twenty-six people on the same board for ten fucking years have NEVER met with the Russian ambassador?

There is a simple solution to this. Sessions obviously reported back to the State Department everything that was discussed. All we need to do is release those documents, right? Why hasn't this been done. This would prove everything was on the up and up. Right? Simple. I mean, NO ONE in our government meets with the Russian ambassador and then doesn't file a report afterwards, RIGHT?

There's no report? Okay, no problem. The CIA knows exactly what the Russian ambassador reported back to Moscow. Why don't they just release that? There wouldn't be any harm in releasing this; Moscow already knows we can listen on their conversations so....

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

So you are admitting that meeting with the Russians is a bad thing?

I'm pointing out the accusers are and have done the exact same thing. Same fucking person involved even.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your link just proved you wrong.

"I’ve been on the Armed Services Com for 10 years. No call or meeting w/Russian ambassador. Ever. Ambassadors call members of Foreign (Relations Committee)"

Explain to me why Sessions had three secret meetings with the Russian ambassador, didn't report it to anyone, and then lied under oath while the other twenty-six people on the same board for ten fucking years have NEVER met with the Russian ambassador?

There is a simple solution to this. Sessions obviously reported back to the State Department everything that was discussed. All we need to do is release those documents, right? Why hasn't this been done. This would prove everything was on the up and up. Right? Simple. I mean, NO ONE in our government meets with the Russian ambassador and then doesn't file a report afterwards, RIGHT?

There's no report? Okay, no problem. The CIA knows exactly what the Russian ambassador reported back to Moscow. Why don't they just release that? There wouldn't be any harm in releasing this; Moscow already knows we can listen on their conversations so....

Nobody cares that's why. Because it's done daily.

[Paul Markham]

Your politicians have their noses so far up big business ass and you guys can only complain if it's Russian asses. Stupid or what. Bush's were in bed with a Saudis, no idea how many are in bed with the Chinese.