reality check for those with kids in school

[Grapesoda]

don't listen to this shit in the media or from anyone. demand that your kids be protected today with guards, gates and metal detectors. the Jewish schools are protected the ghetto schools are protected.

if you let a bunch of assholes grab TV time so they can get laid you are killing more kids.

fuck the debates DEMAND RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR KIDS ARE PROTECTED...

asshole like crocket running on about Russians and guns and all the bullshit...

you willing to let another 1000 kids get murdered so you can dazzle us with your fucking brilliant and clever insight in to politics? that's what the fuck is going to happen...

do something today, call your repesentives and tell then no more political bullshit, lock the schools down this afternoon. worry about debates on esoteric crap after the kids are safe..

OR do you think I'm wrong? if so please post below this, how you think politics and endless debate is going to save 1 fucking life tomorrow

this is what the fuck I'm about crocket, okay? you on broad for saving kids or you wanna talk long shit? maybe with Thommy the creep, he hates people. he would love to see kids killed while he chats about what asshole everybody is but him.

that you rocket? a complete piece of shit, like thommy, that wants kids to get killed so you can talk long shit about political opponents? that your deal asswpie?

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

don't listen to this shit in the media or from anyone. demand that your kids be protected today with guards, gates and metal detectors. the Jewish schools are protected the ghetto schools are protected.

if you let a bunch of assholes grab TV time so they can get laid you are killing more kids.

fuck the debates DEMAND RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR KIDS ARE PROTECTED...

asshole like crocket running on about Russians and guns and all the bullshit...

you willing to let another 1000 kids get murdered so you can dazzle us with your fucking brilliant and clever insight in to politics? that's what the fuck is going to happen...

do something today, call your repesentives and tell then no more political bullshit, lock the schools down this afternoon. worry about debates on esoteric crap after the kids are safe..

OR do you think I'm wrong? if so please post below this, how you think politics and endless debate is going to save 1 fucking life tomorrow

this is what the fuck I'm about crocket, okay? you on broad for saving kids or you wanna talk long shit? maybe with Thommy the creep, he hates people. he would love to see kids killed while he chats about what asshole everybody is but him.

that you rocket? a complete piece of shit, like thommy, that wants kids to get killed so you can talk long shit about political opponents? that your deal asswpie?

Do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up.

[Paul Markham]

There is a reason that the NRA gets to control the debate over guns $$$$$$.

Americans who are anti-gun control are prepared to pay politicians to keep the status quo. Americans who want change are not prepared to pay for changes. They want them but in politics $$$$ rule and if you want change. Pay for it, your vote isn't worth shit.

https://www.google.com/search?source....0.9gYVcb6Q23I

[Rochard]

Last year my wife and I were picking up my daughter at her high school for lunch. We were in my Jeep in the parking lot in the first row, and we were watching my daughter walk through the grass between the office and the parking lot when shots rang out. I am a Marine, I own firearms; I know what gunshots sound like. My daughter looked at us with this puzzling look. Five or six seconds later the school announcement system went on saying the school was on emergency lock down. My kid just froze dead in her tracks not knowing what to do.

Nothing will put the fear of god in a parent more than this situation.

It turns out it was a police shooting at a fast food restaurant a few blocks away.

Something needs to be done here. It's so much more than protecting kids in school. It's people in shopping malls, at the movies, at church....

Security at schools is not the answer. If I recall correctly the Sandy Hook Elementary School had advanced security protocols in place. The only way to be admitted into the school was after a visual and ID screening through a video monitor. The gunman got past that and shot everyone in the office. My kid's middle school has a similar system with a huge metal fence around the school but anyone can pull their car right up to the fence, climb on the car, and jump right over it.

There are simple solutions to this. The first step is outlawing assault rifles that shoot 180 rounds per minute, such as the AR15 does. NO ONE outside of the military needs to shoot 180 rounds per minute.

There is so much more we can do also. We can restrict firearms to people over twenty-one years of age - if we cannot trust them to drink responsibly, we shouldn't trust them to own firearms. Anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be able to own a firearm - this is common sense. We need to fix our mental health system and people such as this nineteen year old kid can get help, and make it free. We need better screening, more restrictions on purchasing firearms, and so forth.

Something needs to be done.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Last year my wife and I were picking up my daughter at her high school for lunch. We were in my Jeep in the parking lot in the first row, and we were watching my daughter walk through the grass between the office and the parking lot when shots rang out. I am a Marine, I own firearms; I know what gunshots sound like. My daughter looked at us with this puzzling look. Five or six seconds later the school announcement system went on saying the school was on emergency lock down. My kid just froze dead in her tracks not knowing what to do.

Nothing will put the fear of god in a parent more than this situation.

It turns out it was a police shooting at a fast food restaurant a few blocks away.

Something needs to be done here. It's so much more than protecting kids in school. It's people in shopping malls, at the movies, at church....

Security at schools is not the answer. If I recall correctly the Sandy Hook Elementary School had advanced security protocols in place. The only way to be admitted into the school was after a visual and ID screening through a video monitor. The gunman got past that and shot everyone in the office. My kid's middle school has a similar system with a huge metal fence around the school but anyone can pull their car right up to the fence, climb on the car, and jump right over it.

There are simple solutions to this. The first step is outlawing assault rifles that shoot 180 rounds per minute, such as the AR15 does. NO ONE outside of the military needs to shoot 180 rounds per minute.

There is so much more we can do also. We can restrict firearms to people over twenty-one years of age - if we cannot trust them to drink responsibly, we shouldn't trust them to own firearms. Anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be able to own a firearm - this is common sense. We need to fix our mental health system and people such as this nineteen year old kid can get help, and make it free. We need better screening, more restrictions on purchasing firearms, and so forth.

Something needs to be done.

I'm not really tuned into the gun debates. the reality is this a new world and it is a new dangerous would. all public areas now need to be guarded. central areas of the cites where people can walk need to be protected from cars running thought them... that's the new reality Richard, and you know what? my daughter is a school teacher okay? like 2nd or 3rd grade maybe, so I might have more vested interest in this than you? I'm not sure but as we are both parents, email your repesentives like I did.

tell then time for talk is over. every news conference about gun regulation and schools is a nail in the coffin of some kid. all that talk is just exciting to the assholes, on both side but NOTHING is getting done! time is killing kids.

save the kids first and foremost THEN enjoy yourself arguing with a bunch assholes for brownie point... gezz what a bunch of tools. I don't want my daughter to be killed because it was fun for a bunch of jerksoffs to get on TV

how do you land on that? send an email? tell your friends, fuck the wall, guard the schools! there ya go a ready made slogan! anytime wasted not guarding the kids is killing a kid... you see that? you said you were a marine, think in military terms of target vulnerability with the certainty of an attack, just not when... you see? this is serious shit lol

[pimpmaster9000]

how many guards would it take to be effective?...if theres 2-3 of them in a group the would-be-shooter could mow them down first...

it would take at least 5-10 armed guards/school...

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Rochard

There are simple solutions to this. The first step is outlawing assault rifles that shoot 180 rounds per minute, such as the AR15 does. NO ONE outside of the military needs to shoot 180 rounds per minute.

The AR15 is technically not an assault rifle as far as military classification goes. And I doubt there are many poeple that can pull the trigger on one 3 times a second without modification. A standard semi-automatic hunting rifle has the same firing action as an AR15.



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[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

how many guards would it take to be effective?...if theres 2-3 of them in a group the would-be-shooter could mow them down first...

it would take at least 5-10 armed guards/school...

Dude 1 trained guard per access point is enough to cut down the epidemic. No one is saying it will cure it for the rest of time. A lot of these kids or shooters will be scared off. You are talking like most these kids are Navy Seals or something. The majority are scared pussies who will never do it if they know there are armed guards

[GAMEFINEST]

This will never end.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

The AR15 is technically not an assault rifle as far as military classification goes. And I doubt there are many poeple that can pull the trigger on one 3 times a second without modification. A standard semi-automatic hunting rifle has the same firing action as an AR15.
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We can have this argument all day long.

The AR-15 is an assault rifle. It's the same exact rifle as the M16A2 - the only differences are a shorter barrel and the selector switch. Most of the parts are interchangeable.

Fine, call it an assault "weapon": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Same thing.

[pimpmaster9000]

murders per 100.000 (less is better)


United States 4.88
Kazakhstan 4.84
Cuba 4.72
Marshall Islands 4.68
Micronesia, Fed. Sts. 4.67
Rwanda 4.51
Niger 4.47

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

how many guards would it take to be effective?...if theres 2-3 of them in a group the would-be-shooter could mow them down first...

it would take at least 5-10 armed guards/school...

Originally Posted by Matt-ADX

Dude 1 trained guard per access point is enough to cut down the epidemic. No one is saying it will cure it for the rest of time. A lot of these kids or shooters will be scared off. You are talking like most these kids are Navy Seals or something. The majority are scared pussies who will never do it if they know there are armed guards

Armed guards are not an answer either.

In this case, we are talking about a large campus with three thousand kids and a dozen or so entry points. Even if you could cover every entry point.... Anyone can jump the fence at any time with an assault rifle (sorry, "assault weapon"). You can have a dozen officers on campus at all times, and all they would be able to do is respond to a shooting. The majority of the killing is done in the first two minutes.

We can't afford to pay our teachers - how are we going to afford to pay armed guards?

Of course, this doesn't protect us at malls or churches or when we go to the movies.

[BaldBastard]

We have a huge problem with safety in our schools! there's Asian parents with four-wheel drive vehicles, gotta watch out for those or your dead. And there's the ongoing dilemma's with unhealthy food in school canteens, sadly pies are being removed en masse.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up.

sorry op you can get killed anywhere. i made it through school. lots of fights no shootings on campus. my kids made it through school. they didn't get in trouble like i did.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We can have this argument all day long.

The AR-15 is an assault rifle. It's the same exact rifle as the M16A2 - the only differences are a shorter barrel and the selector switch. Most of the parts are interchangeable.

Fine, call it an assault "weapon": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Same thing.

Ok, go ahead and call it whatever you want. The media calls it an "assault rifle" purely for propaganda purposes. You can too I guess.

And it's not really the exact same rifle as the M16A2 is it? You feel that the selector switch is a minor difference but in reality that selector switch is the difference between semi-automatic and fully-automatic. And it's not as simple as just having a selector switch - there are other mechanical differences that allow automatic firing.

What you are really advocating is banning semi-automatic rifles of all types - including hunting ones because they can be used in the exact same fashion as an AR15.

FYI - we have pretty strict gun laws in Canada but you can still buy semi-auto hunting rifles and yes you can even buy an AR15 and similar guns. Can you buy them as easily? No not a chance. But people do have them.

I'm not really arguing either in favour or against guns. I think the US definitely has a problem on its hands. But you have to admit the media is twisting the facts about the argument that is occurring.



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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

murders per 100.000 (less is better)


United States 4.88
Kazakhstan 4.84
Cuba 4.72
Marshall Islands 4.68
Micronesia, Fed. Sts. 4.67
Rwanda 4.51
Niger 4.47

There are 93 countries with murder rates higher than the US - most of them far higher. But you conveniently missed those.

And if you took gang related murders out of the equation the US would be in line with most countries in Europe.



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[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

There are 93 countries with murder rates higher than the US - most of them far higher. But you conveniently missed those.

and there are 110 with lower per capita murder rates...most of them much lower...

Originally Posted by EonBlue

And if you took gang related murders out of the equation the US would be in line with most countries in Europe.

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this goes for all countries in the world not just yours...its not a valid argument you do not get to cherry pick data...

[bronco67]

Trying to guard everything everywhere is just fucking stupid. It's like trying to stop lighting from striking.

and do we want to live in a country with barbed wire, concrete barriers and armed guards everywhere? This is the politics of fear your side tries to sell. Fuck off with your silly, backwards ass ideas.

The common denominator in all of these attacks is assault rifles, but the solution is to lock everything down. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit you illiterate mongoloid.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

and there are 110 with lower per capita murder rates...most of them much lower...


this goes for all countries in the world not just yours...its not a valid argument you do not get to cherry pick data...

You can't go "much" lower than 4.88. At least not to the same degree as the ones that are "much" higher.

Name one country with the gang, drug and violence culture that the US has - glorified in song, movies and popular culture.

And FYI - it's not my country. I live in Canada not the US.

And I can cherry pick whatever the fuck I want. Every single one of your comments on this board is based on your all consuming hatred for the US and therefore are nor rationally formed.




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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Ok, go ahead and call it whatever you want. The media calls it an "assault rifle" purely for propaganda purposes. You can too I guess.

And it's not really the exact same rifle as the M16A2 is it? You feel that the selector switch is a minor difference but in reality that selector switch is the difference between semi-automatic and fully-automatic. And it's not as simple as just having a selector switch - there are other mechanical differences that allow automatic firing.

What you are really advocating is banning semi-automatic rifles of all types - including hunting ones because they can be used in the exact same fashion as an AR15.

FYI - we have pretty strict gun laws in Canada but you can still buy semi-auto hunting rifles and yes you can even buy an AR15 and similar guns. Can you buy them as easily? No not a chance. But people do have them.

I'm not really arguing either in favour or against guns. I think the US definitely has a problem on its hands. But you have to admit the media is twisting the facts about the argument that is occurring.

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It's like putting a speed limiter on a Ferrari limiting the car to 100 mph and saying it's no longer a sports car. Of course it's still a sports car.

How fast a rifle shoots doesn't determine if it's an assault rifle or not.

What makes it an assault rifle is what it was designed to do. An AR15 wasn't designed for hunting, and it wasn't designed for target practice. It was designed to assault a position and kill people.

We sold a nineteen year old kid a rifle with the ability to shoot hundreds of rounds per minute. How is this legal?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

You can't go "much" lower than 4.88. At least not to the same degree as the ones that are "much" higher.

Name one country with the gang, drug and violence culture that the US has - glorified in song, movies and popular culture.

And FYI - it's not my country. I live in Canada not the US.

And I can cherry pick whatever the fuck I want. Every single one of your comments on this board is based on your all consuming hatred for the US and therefore are nor rationally formed.




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Well if you exclude the gang murders in other countries like Mexico they would have a very very low murder rate as well...but you do not get to cherry pick days...reality is reality...

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's like putting a speed limiter on a Ferrari limiting the car to 100 mph and saying it's no longer a sports car. Of course it's still a sports car.

How fast a rifle shoots doesn't determine if it's an assault rifle or not.

What makes it an assault rifle is what it was designed to do. An AR15 wasn't designed for hunting, and it wasn't designed for target practice. It was designed to assault a position and kill people.

We sold a nineteen year old kid a rifle with the ability to shoot hundreds of rounds per minute. How is this legal?

An unmodified AR15 cannot shoot hundreds of rounds per minute. It can only fire as fast as you can pull the trigger and even a pro would have a hard time getting into the hundreds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

It must be capable of selective fire.
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

For example:

Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]
Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.

But whatever. It's all semantics at this point even if the media and its followers are spreading misinformation. It's what they do best.




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[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Well if you exclude the gang murders in other countries like Mexico they would have a very very low murder rate as well...but you do not get to cherry pick days...reality is reality...

I am talking about about street corner gang bangers and wannabes. Not organized crime cartels - that's something different.



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