The great Canadian climate delusion

[dyna mo]

"An energy company wasn't sure they could complete a pipeline expansion to transport some of the world's dirtiest oil. Luckily for them, Justin Trudeau stepped in to help."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/t...rudeau-climate

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-over-climate/

https://thenarwhal.ca/global-danger-...lsands-growth/

Who are you trying to fool, canadians? Yourselves.

but but but Trump.

[dyna mo]

“As things now stand, there is no chance in the world that Canada is aimed towards our Paris targets,” says Elizabeth May, the federal Green Party leader."

“In Canada, the fossil fuel industry has captured really key democratic institutions and in some ways has captured so many of them that it has formed what I call a deep state,” explains Taft. “So democracy stops functioning for the people and begins to function first and foremost for the fossil fuel industry.”

Those who believe the oil industry has become a deep state point to how the political elites, whether Liberal, Conservative or NDP — from Justin Trudeau to Stephen Harper to Rachel Notley — go to bat for the industry, even if it means Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions rise and jobs are needlessly lost.

Or how Canada has never forced the oil industry to curb emissions — even as the impacts of global warming become more catastrophic.

And why Canada is highly unlikely to reach its targets under the Paris climate agreement.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2018/05/...da-Deep-State/

[Brian mike]

Is Trump will suck the dick of Rocket man or not in singapore ? That's the real question.....

What will the USA give up on those deal/ talk plan in singapore ?

Is the USA getting in the international Prostitution of them self over sea or simply bribery
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/mone...uite/35624977/



Kim Jong-un 'demanding $6,000-per-night hotel suite in Singapore' - and US may have to pay for it

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8380856.html

Comment on this please

[dyna mo]

dodge & deflect canadian.

that's what hypocrites do.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

"An energy company wasn't sure they could complete a pipeline expansion to transport some of the world's dirtiest oil. Luckily for them, Justin Trudeau stepped in to help."

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/06/t...rudeau-climate

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...-over-climate/

https://thenarwhal.ca/global-danger-...lsands-growth/

Who are you trying to fool, canadians? Yourselves.

but but but Trump.

..but but but not Trump.

This is Trudeau's fuck-you to Climate.

Trump deserves scorn for all kinds of other things, but not Trudeau's decision.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

dodge & deflect canadian.

that's what hypocrites do.

Why are you lumping us all into 1 "them"? Don't.

[dyna mo]

Why Is Trudeau Blowing His Chance to Curb Dangerous, Climate-Warming Methane?
The facts and solutions are readily available, but our pipeline-loving PM stalls.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/06/0...limate-Chance/

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Why are you lumping us all into 1 "them"? Don't.

OK. When I see a Canadian posting a thread like this one, I'll high 5 him! how's that?

But we both know Canadians don't post threads like this, too busy posting trump threads eh.

[Acepimp]

It's pretty obvious he's a hypocrite globalist cuck.

The real question is....

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It's pretty obvious he's a hypocrite globalist cuck.

The real question is....

hah!

maybe that's where trudeau got the brilliant idea to nationalize Canadian oil pipeline.

[dyna mo]

Why is Canada the only country in the industrialized world lacking national rebates to purchase fuel-efficient vehicles?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Why Is Trudeau Blowing His Chance to Curb Dangerous, Climate-Warming Methane?
The facts and solutions are readily available, but our pipeline-loving PM stalls.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/06/0...limate-Chance/

I don't know. To me it doesn't make sense.

To be fair, the world will always need and always have oil. Pipelines are safer than transport by rail, especially after the big disaster we had here a few years ago. And to be fair this new pipeline is going right beside an existing pipeline to environmental damage by the construction alone won't be too bad (it's better than blazing a new trail I suppose). I just don't understand why Canada purchased the pipeline from Kinder, and why our tax dollars have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

OK. When I see a Canadian posting a thread like this one, I'll high 5 him! how's that?

You are missing my point.

Some Canadians like me, want a greener future. Some Canadians want to pump more oil despite the cost to the climate. Canadians, like Americans, are made up of a diverse people with many different values and opinions.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

But we both know Canadians don't post threads like this, too busy posting trump threads eh.

Never once do I say "Americans" are this and that. I say "Trump" is this and that, or "Some Republicans" are this and that. You are assuming that all Canadians think the same way, the way you think the "This is America" song is made only for black people.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It's pretty obvious he's a hypocrite globalist cuck.

The real question is....

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've seen in a while....It is only "Obvious" to lazy idiots who let other people think for them.

Margret, like her husband, were super open-minded, and probably swingers. Pretty cool if you ask me. Just Trudeau was already around 5 years old before the Trudeaus met with Castro in 1976. Facts matter.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Why is Canada the only country in the industrialized world lacking national rebates to purchase fuel-efficient vehicles?

You dun goofed.

Every Province in Canada offers between $4000 and $8000 to every consumer who wants to buy an EV or plug-in hybrid.

Eligible Electric Vehicles (Ontario)
Electric Vehicles - Site of the Government of Quebec (Quebec)
https://pluginbc.ca/charging-program...le-incentives/ (BC)
etc..

(Ontario offers up to a $14,000 rebate)

The city of Laval, just north of Montreal, offers an additional $2000 on top of that (I will get $10,000 Discount on my next EV purchase).
Laval offering $2,000 grant for electric-car buyers | Montreal Gazette

Quebec, Canada also offer $600 to upgrade your home towards L2 or L3 charging, free tolls, free use of high speed lanes, and other incentives.

Total: $10,600. You're welcome.

Don't get me wrong Dynamo, I'm agreeing with you. What Trudeau is doing makes no sense to me. Maybe he has a bigger plan I don't know, but it now looks like some of the money I am saving driving an EV will now be taxed to pay for the pipeline. Dumb, dumb idea.

[dyna mo]

thanks for the info on fuel efficient car rebates, I read otherwise.

Nevertheless, that doesn't change the facts that CA is saying one thing about saving the environment and doing the opposite.

[dyna mo]

Mark, it looks like those rebates are regional, not national eh?

[Brian mike]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't get me wrong Dynamo, I'm agreeing with you. What Trudeau is doing makes no sense to me. Maybe he has a bigger plan I don't know, but it now looks like some of the money I am saving driving an EV will now be taxed to pay for the pipeline. Dumb, dumb idea.

Say the guy living in a province where Loi 101 have priority and they are the one who wish Quebec to become a country and separate of the rest of Canada LOL.

You pay high taxes in Quebec roughly 20% right ?
Moved Province cuz in Alberta we only pay 5%

Also Majority of Canadian Believe in this https://www.transmountain.com/benefits

Yes is a long shoot! But still can work.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Why is Canada the only country in the industrialized world lacking national rebates to purchase fuel-efficient vehicles?

Because it is provincial juridiction ....

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Because it is provincial juridiction ....

The government du canada doesn't have legislative power to enact fuel-efficient car rebates? Seems they should be able to do that.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The government du canada doesn't have legislative power to enact fuel-efficient car rebates? Seems they should be able to do that.

Why would they if it’s being done already at a Provincial level?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Why would they if it’s being done already at a Provincial level?

Why wouldn't they? We offer state and federal incentives to buy fuel efficient.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Why wouldn't they? We offer state and federal incentives to buy fuel efficient.

Congratulations? Lol

Your government also allows the continuous slaughter of school kids but they won’t change anything. Guess by offering support and prayers it’s all good? Let’s just move on and not address a issue that just doesn’t happen anywhere else in the first world, continuously.

For the record I cannot stand Trudeau.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Congratulations? Lol

Your government also allows the continuous slaughter of school kids but they won’t change anything. Guess by offering support and prayers it’s all good? Let’s just move on and not address a issue that just doesn’t happen anywhere else in the first world, continuously.

For the record I cannot stand Trudeau.

No need to be snide. It's not my fault Canada is a hypocrite on the environment, I'm just reporting the facts.

[Brian mike]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

No need to be snide. It's not my fault Canada is a hypocrite on the environment, I'm just reporting the facts.

Your country is not hypocrite.....

[dyna mo]

not on the environment we aren't. Pay attention to the thread topic. There are plenty of other threads by canadians pointing your fingers at USA and making snide posts about school shootings while you claim you are doing your part to save the environment.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

No need to be snide. It's not my fault Canada is a hypocrite on the environment, I'm just reporting the facts.

Not being “snide” but if you’re going to start calling out government issues maybe take a look at what’s going on in your country. I’d be far more concerned with school massacres than environmental issues. I’d be terrified to send my kids to school in America. Just because it’s your right to bare arms. Absolutely ludicrous.

[dyna mo]

you might want to pay more attention prior to making posts showing you do not at all pay attention.

but but but America isn't a valid argument to ignoring your own hypocrisy and issues.

Throwing school shootings in our faces isn't a valid response to a messenger bringing valid news.

You should be thanking me for bringing this to your attention, instead you try and throw children being murdered in my face.

[dyna mo]

Although, now that you mention it, it makes sense that canadians think school shooting in USA are more important than saving the planet, that actually explains a lot.

thanks.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Although, now that you mention it, it makes sense that canadians think school shooting in USA are more important than saving the planet, that actually explains a lot.

thanks.

Yes because America is all about saving the planet. Lmao

Listen, I hate the liberal government but it’s the card we’ve been dealt. Not much I can do.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Say the guy living in a province where Loi 101 have priority and they are the one who wish Quebec to become a country and separate of the rest of Canada LOL.

You say that like it's my fault, or if I defend it. It's not, and I don't. Bill 101 sucks monkey balls. For those who don't know, it's a language law that says every sign of every business, even if yours is an English book store, must be in french. It even carries over to websites.

Originally Posted by Brian mike

You pay high taxes in Quebec roughly 20% right ?

Closer to 40%.

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Moved Province cuz in Alberta we only pay 5%

Alberta is nice. Most of my family lives in Alberta and in BC. They moved out of Quebec a long time ago, when Bill 101 was taking shape. I stayed behind.


Also Majority of Canadian Believe in this https://www.transmountain.com/benefits

Yes is a long shoot! But still can work.[/QUOTE]

The first line on that page says "As one of the world’s largest oil producers, the industry provides great benefits to Canada through taxes, jobs and investments in capital projects.", which translates to Money, Money, and Money. Isn't the just the usual bullshit line though? Green energy does all of that, and doesn't pollute the planet as much in the process.

How do you know the Majority of Canada believes that? Link to stats? And if most do, is that a good thing?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The government du canada doesn't have legislative power to enact fuel-efficient car rebates? Seems they should be able to do that.

Nope. They can't force provinces to do everything, and besides it's not always a good idea to do that. In Quebec, Electricity is really cheap, but in Ontario it's very expensive. EV cars make alot more sense to Quebec drivers than they do to Ontario drivers.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Yes because America is all about saving the planet. Lmao

Listen, I hate the liberal government but it’s the card we’ve been dealt. Not much I can do.

I don't totally disagree. while I very much dislike trump, he's not pulled any punches on how he's handling the environment. That said, corporate America and plenty of us are doing a lot to embrace non fossil fuel energies.


and I know what it feels like to be mixed into a group that people think approve of trump, just being American is enough. Quite a few people from other countries do that. Remember, most all Americans do not, including me, like the guy at all. Nevertheless, a bunch of us have figured out how to do just fine while he's POTUS.

I hope people can keep that in mind.