GOP senators turn on Trump express concern over potential ‘self-pardon'

[Bladewire]

Since the GOP tanked during this week's midterms they are now turning against Trump to be on the right side of history

‘Nobody is above the law’: Record number of Republican senators express concern over potential Trump ‘self-pardon’

Sen. Cory Gardner has joined the ranks of Republicans criticizing President Donald Trump for claiming he can pardon himself.

“No one’s above the law,” Gardner told the Denver Post Friday. “I think if he were to try, it would be a really bad idea.”

The Colorado senator is the latest in a string of Republicans who either condemned the president’s self-pardon claim or said they don’t believe he has the authority to do so. Most notable among them is House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) who on Wednesday said Trump “obviously” shouldn’t pardon himself.

Early on Monday morning, Trump tweeted that he has the “absolute” right to pardon himself, but wouldn’t be doing so because he’d “done nothing wrong.” The claim came after his attorney, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, repeatedly told reporters and pundits that the president has the constitutional right to self-pardon.

[TheSquealer]

[Bladewire]

It's great seeing the GOP grow some fur on their balls and turn in Trump. Better late than never

The alt-right hate fake nic troll behind fske nics ghjghj & xClips Jim will post in 3.. 2.. 1... #ThanksAVN

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

It's great seeing the GOP grow some fur on their balls and turn in Trump. Better late than never

Hense retatarded

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

It's great seeing the GOP grow some fur on their balls and turn in Trump. Better late than never

tell me about it....! It's about time.

[dyna mo]

it's clear what's happening right now. trump is paving the way for pardons for himself and his crew of henchmen.

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

pardons for himself and his crew of henchmen.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...m=lolbertarian

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's clear what's happening right now. trump is paving the way for pardons for himself and his crew of henchmen.

Why exactly does he need to pave the way?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

Why exactly does he need to pave the way?

it's the rudy strategy in the war of public opinion. He said it himself. It's a tried and true and obvious strategy.

Just like rudy paved the way for trump to reveal he paid stormy.

getting ahead of the story, i think it's called. they are getting the public acclimated to pardons.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's the rudy strategy in the war of public opinion. He said it himself. It's a tried and true and obvious strategy.

Just like rudy paved the way for trump to reveal he paid stormy.

getting ahead of the story, i think it's called. they are getting the public acclimated to pardons.

So you're saying that he is hoping less people complain about pardoning himself and his henchmen in the future - by first pardoning others that people are complaining about him pardoning now?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

So you're saying that he is hoping less people complain about pardoning himself and his henchmen in the future - by first pardoning others that people are complaining about him pardoning now?

exfuckingactly!

it's been done plenty of times. Rudy just did it with the stormy payment. it does work. I don't know if it will work here.

[Rochard]

I am an independent. I do not vote along party lines. I vote for the person who is right.

However.... I will never vote Republican again. I am furious over what is happening right now. Obama went eight years without any drama during a very difficult time, and now... Every fucking day it's nothing but vile bullshit coming out of the White House. Today it's how the White House got a warrant for information on reporter's cell phone? Are you fucking shitting me? It's now acceptable to get warrant on a reporter because of a leak? Holy crap.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I am an independent. I do not vote along party lines. I vote for the person who is right.

However.... I will never vote Republican again. I am furious over what is happening right now. Obama went eight years without any drama during a very difficult time, and now... Every fucking day it's nothing but vile bullshit coming out of the White House. Today it's how the White House got a warrant for information on reporter's cell phone? Are you fucking shitting me? It's now acceptable to get warrant on a reporter because of a leak? Holy crap.

You better go do your homework on what fbi and doj did to fox news reporters in 2013. You will never vote democrat again

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

exfuckingactly!

it's been done plenty of times. Rudy just did it with the stormy payment. it does work. I don't know if it will work here.

I agree he did it with the Stormy payment - planned for some time.

I can't see that such a strategy would work with pardons, particularly if there is true criminal activity that would require pardoning.

You are seeing a situation where Trump and his henchmen are in true, legal jeopardy - and the use of pardons NOW prepares the public for agreeing to pardons for Trump and his henchmen in the future?

Eh - can't go along with you on that logic.

[Bladewire]

↑↑ Typical Russian tactic "what we're doing is evil but you're evil too so it doesn't matter" Fake news

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Obama went eight years without any drama

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Originally Posted by Rochard

Today it's how the White House got a warrant for information on reporter's cell phone?

Liar.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

I agree he did it with the Stormy payment - planned for some time.

I can't see that such a strategy would work with pardons, particularly if there is true criminal activity that would require pardoning.

You are seeing a situation where Trump and his henchmen are in true, legal jeopardy - and the use of pardons NOW prepares the public for agreeing to pardons for Trump and his henchmen in the future?

Eh - can't go along with you on that logic.

I agree, I'm not so sure it would work re: pardons, in fact, IMO I think it's a ridiculous strategy. But it makes sense that trump legal is using it here. There's no reason not to, right? I read earlier trump has now reached out to NFL athletes for them to let him know who they want pardoned.

all part of the pardon strategy in play right now.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑ Typical Russian tactic "what we're doing is evil but you're evil too so it doesn't matter" Fake news

You can't even know what I said since you have me blocked.

Or do you?

Rhetorical question - we all know the answer.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I agree, I'm not so sure it would work re: pardons, in fact, IMO I think it's a ridiculous strategy. But it makes sense that trump legal is using it here. There's no reason not to, right? I read earlier trump has now reached out to NFL athletes for them to let him know who they want pardoned.

all part of the pardon strategy in play right now.

It's a TERRIBLE strategy and can only make things worse if your plan is to pardon yourself and your henchmen.

Not logical at all.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

It's a TERRIBLE strategy and can only make things worse if your plan is to pardon yourself and your henchmen.

Not logical at all.

how do you figure that?

[The Porn Nerd]

No, the GOP strategy is clear: denounce the self-pardoning Trump so they have political cover (CYA) but then quietly, in secret, back Trump 100%. You just watch.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

how do you figure that?

IF his plan is to pardon himself and henchmen out of crimes - why the signals? Why give people MORE ammunition for when it happens? Why not simply wait - and then pardon yourself and your henchmen - and then deal with it?

People, including myself, are not going to sit here and watch Trump pardon himself and his henchmen if there is proof he is committing crimes. It's fantasy. There are no Trump-supporting journalists that would agree with him pardoning himself. It's fun to debate the constitutional ramifications, but he would lose nearly all his support. That is not an end game strategy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

No, the GOP strategy is clear: denounce the self-pardoning Trump so they have political cover (CYA) but then quietly, in secret, back Trump 100%. You just watch.

I don't see how this conflicts? I agree, it's a cya move. because trump and his henchmen are about to get fucked and consequently he will go on a pardoning spree.



meanwhile, if trump survives this, repubs can't be seen as not kissing the ring.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

IF his plan is to pardon himself and henchmen out of crimes - why the signals? Why give people MORE ammunition for when it happens? Why not simply wait - and then pardon yourself and your henchmen - and then deal with it?

People, including myself, are not going to sit here and watch Trump pardon himself and his henchmen if there is proof he is committing crimes. It's fantasy. There are no Trump-supporting journalists that would agree with him pardoning himself. It's fun to debate the constitutional ramifications, but he would lose nearly all his support. That is not an end game strategy.

there are 2 signals being sent-
1. to his henchmen not to worry, i'll pardon you.

2. The other is to condition his base to the deep state conspiracy and his pardons are for victims of it, like he is claiming. That's why he's asking NFL players for referrals, so he can pardon victims of the deep state DOJ.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there are 2 signals being sent-
1. to his henchmen not to worry, i'll pardon you.

2. The other is to condition his base to the deep state conspiracy and his pardons are for victims of it, like he is claiming. That's why he's asking NFL players for referrals, so he can pardon victims of the deep state DOJ.

1.) Why the signal, which the sending of causes him problems? You don't think he has any way of telling them the same thing without a public pardon?

2.) His base already understands the deep state conspiracy. Well, they probably don't - but believe it exists so no conditioning necessary.

2a.) He needs that info from NFL players? LOL. That is not why.

[ghjghj]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑ Typical Russian tactic "what we're doing is evil but you're evil too so it doesn't matter" Fake news

“Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion” - Karl Marx

[dyna mo]

it's yet another convenient legal strategy. just like spygate.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

1.) Why the signal, which the sending of causes him problems? You don't think he has any way of telling them the same thing without a public pardon?

2.) His base already understands the deep state conspiracy. Well, they probably don't - but believe it exists so no conditioning necessary.

2a.) He needs that info from NFL players? LOL. That is not why.

You don't actually think trump all the sudden cares about the NFL or NFL players do you? It's clever really, and kills 2 birds+ with one stone.

Think of it this way, when the investigation reveals that trump is a criminal, he can point back to all the pardons as proof the ENTIRE investigation is illegitimate.

it not only makes sense, it fits with previous actions and fits the narrative.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's yet another convenient legal strategy. just like spygate.

Innocent people don't tell the world that it doesn't matter because they wont have to pay the price for their actions

Innocent people aren't bothered by being investigated because there's nothing to find.

Innocent people don't fire the investigator because the investigation is causing them stress then brag about the firing to the Russians the next day and via an interview with Lester Holt

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You don't actually think trump all the sudden cares about the NFL or NFL players do you?

No, that would be crazy.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Think of it this way, when the investigation reveals that trump is a criminal, he can point back to all the pardons as proof the ENTIRE investigation is illegitimate.

it not only makes sense, it fits with previous actions and fits the narrative.

Are you now talking about hypothetical pardons that have not taken place?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

IF his plan is to pardon himself and henchmen out of crimes - why the signals? Why give people MORE ammunition for when it happens? Why not simply wait - and then pardon yourself and your henchmen - and then deal with it?

People, including myself, are not going to sit here and watch Trump pardon himself and his henchmen if there is proof he is committing crimes. It's fantasy. There are no Trump-supporting journalists that would agree with him pardoning himself. It's fun to debate the constitutional ramifications, but he would lose nearly all his support. That is not an end game strategy.

Read the whack jobs in this thread. They love it that he wants to pardon himself. They see this all as a reality show.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's yet another convenient legal strategy. just like spygate.

The operation the OIG is not investigating I guess.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by slapass

Read the whack jobs in this thread. They love it that he wants to pardon himself. They see this all as a reality show.

Many people love it that he SAYS he CAN pardon himself. It's fun because - well, look at what results from it. But that's all it is and GFY should appreciate it - trolls are fun.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

No, that would be crazy.



Are you now talking about hypothetical pardons that have not taken place?

that's what I've been talking about all along. This is a strategy paving the way for future pardons.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by slapass

Read the whack jobs in this thread. They love it that he wants to pardon himself. They see this all as a reality show.

who are you talking about?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

Many people love it that he SAYS he CAN pardon himself. It's fun because - well, look at what results from it. But that's all it is and GFY should appreciate it - trolls are fun.

Think about the power Trump has over the left and Democrats right now. We've never seen this before in history and its just comical. We had 8 years of an ass kissing press bow to the President and put everything he said or did on a pedestal, while kicking right leaning media out of briefings. Now we have a master troll who doesn't need the media... at all. He just goes right around them and talks directly to the people, as a real person would.

He makes the media dance every single day. He happens to be up at 3am, makes a tweet and then controls the news cycle for 3 days by prodding silly, hysterical people. They can't control the news anymore and the media and the left are freaking out every single day about it. At the same time, their ratings are plummeting.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Think about the power Trump has over the left and Democrats right now.

that was funny

Trump squirms , cries and complains on Twitter daily about how stresses he is and what a victim he is, the right hears this snowflake bitch and moan daily , what he's doing to the alt-right has never been seen before , never mind the damage to the GOP. Love it

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's what I've been talking about all along. This is a strategy paving the way for future pardons.

Right - just making sure I understand your logic.

So, Trump has issued 5 pardons so far. Which of these are not-so-secretly signally people he might pardon in the future? How are they connected?

Who specifically is he going to pardon do you assume?

[dyna mo]

all of them.


most certainly manafort and cohen.

right off the top of my head.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Think about the power Trump has over the left and Democrats right now. We've never seen this before in history and its just comical. We had 8 years of an ass kissing press bow to the President and put everything he said or did on a pedestal, while kicking right leaning media out of briefings. Now we have a master troll who doesn't need the media... at all. He just goes right around them and talks directly to the people, as a real person would.

He makes the media dance every single day. He happens to be up at 3am, makes a tweet and then controls the news cycle for 3 days by prodding silly, hysterical people. They can't control the news anymore and the media and the left are freaking out every single day about it. At the same time, their ratings are plummeting.

It's an impressive feat. I can't see how they continually fall for it - over and over and over. I am left to assume they don't have much choice. This is the end, they might as well go out kicking and screaming.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

all of them.


most certainly manafort and cohen.

right off the top of my head.

Manafort indictment has nothing to do with Trump.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

I guess you are still hoping for collusion. Not going to happen.

Cohen - I guess we'll see if he needs one. So who else gets this flood of incoming pardons?

[dyna mo]

it's funny to watch the hysteria resulting from trump tweeting nuclear strike threats and comparing nuclear launch buttons to dick size.

hilarity ensues. what a jokester ........

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

Manafort indictment has nothing to do with Trump.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

I guess you are still hoping for collusion. Not going to happen.

Cohen - I guess we'll see if he needs one. So who else gets this flood of incoming pardons?

i didn't say anything about pardons being required to be connected with collusion. trump's got plenty of shit he's linked with his henchmen to.

I'm not hoping for anything other than world peace and vibrant economies, you've got me confused with someone else amigo.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i didn't say anything about pardons being required to be connected with collusion. trump's got plenty of shit he's linked with his henchmen to.

I'm not hoping for anything other than world peace and vibrant economies, you've got me confused with someone else amigo.

Sorry, I misunderstood your position. What crimes and who committed them?

I'm with you on world peace and vibrant economies for sure. We're getting closer every day.

[dyna mo]

I haven't mapped it out that far. I don't think trump legal has either.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I haven't mapped it out that far. I don't think trump legal has either.

If they haven't yet, they should really start thinking about the pardons they are making now that are so clearly part of the strategy to pave the way for the future pardons they are going to make for what crimes we don't know.

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Think about the power Trump has over the left and Democrats right now. We've never seen this before in history and its just comical. We had 8 years of an ass kissing press bow to the President and put everything he said or did on a pedestal, while kicking right leaning media out of briefings. Now we have a master troll who doesn't need the media... at all. He just goes right around them and talks directly to the people, as a real person would.

He makes the media dance every single day. He happens to be up at 3am, makes a tweet and then controls the news cycle for 3 days by prodding silly, hysterical people. They can't control the news anymore and the media and the left are freaking out every single day about it. At the same time, their ratings are plummeting.

If he were truly savvy about this, he would stop doing what he is doing and try to be more civil. All he is doing now is firing up the left and motivating them. A motivated left will turn out to vote.

[xClips Jim]

Originally Posted by kane

If he were truly savvy about this, he would stop doing what he is doing and try to be more civil. All he is doing now is firing up the left and motivating them. A motivated left will turn out to vote.

I'm of two minds about that. Initially, it felt like his method of trolling could be counter-productive - for the reason you mentioned.

I still think it's a possibility, but an equally likely possibility is that Trump trolls on an issue - he gets the fringe left to freak out - the normal left is then stuck defending the fringe left position - which motivates independents.

We'll see in November!

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

If he were truly savvy about this, he would stop doing what he is doing and try to be more civil. All he is doing now is firing up the left and motivating them. A motivated left will turn out to vote.

You think he's firing up the left to vote when the left is increasingly abandoning ship? Clearly you're not watching the polls going into the mid terms.

The majority of Americans now think the entire Russia/Trump collusion witch hunt is exactly that. Obviously the nation isn't fired up to vote for the left over an issue they almost fully believe now is the left that is the problem.

[kane]

Originally Posted by xClips Jim

I'm of two minds about that. Initially, it felt like his method of trolling could be counter-productive - for the reason you mentioned.

I still think it's a possibility, but an equally likely possibility is that Trump trolls on an issue - he gets the fringe left to freak out - the normal left is then stuck defending the fringe left position - which motivates independents.

We'll see in November!

November will tell a lot. If the Republicans can hold the Hose and Senate, it will show the Trump's off the rails style is working. If not, well, not.